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Around the Minors, 5/2

Another minor league thread for today, because, well, why not.

Indy takes on Lehigh Valley (Phillies), first pitch at 1:35 ET.  Mike Crotta is making his first start for the Indians.  After pitching really well in Altoona (25.1 IP, 1.78 ERA, 14 H, 16K, 3 BB), let's hope he continues that in AAA.

Altoona is in Harrisburg (Nationals), first pitch at 2:00 ET.  Justin Wilson faces off against Stephen Strasburg, who is making his last start before being promoted to AAA Syracuse.  Strasburg has been as advertised, with a 0.52 ERA and 23K/3BB in 17.1 IP.

Bradenton is home to Charlotte (Rays) at 1:00 ET.  Aaron Pribanic starting for the Marauders.

WV takes on Greenville (Red Sox) at 4:00 ET.  Kyle McPherson taking the hill for the Power.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

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Humor me for a second....

In 2012, lets assume this is our line-up. Let’s further assume (HUGE ASSUMPTION, I realize) that the guys will put-up similar numbers to their Minor League splits.

My question: Even with that big assumption, is this team, as it is hypothesized, enough to be competitive in our division or to the National League as a whole?

1. Tabata RF
2. LaRoche 2B
3. McCutchen CF
4. Jones 1B
5. Alvarez 3B
6. Sanchez C
7. Milledge LF
8. Morton SP
9. Mercer/D’Arnaud SS

Possible alterations: 1) Tabata in Left Field, Jones in Right Field, Clement at 1B
                                        2) Doumit still here, Sanchez not ready yet
                                        3) Cedeno still at SS, others not ready yet

Is that team competitive?

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The lineup is pretty good.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on May 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, the pitching will be the key, and that’s the part I worry about.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on May 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

By 2012

You will have Alderson, Morris, Locke, Owens, and Pomeranz all knocking on the door. If we still have 3 of Duke, Maholm, Ohlie, Morton, Veal, Lincoln around and actually producing then our pitching would be good enough to win consistently with that lineup.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

since

he s not drafted yet :)

by BurgherKing on May 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya

Obviously we are just speculating as to what might happen or what we would like to see happen. I wasn’t sure if you were laughing bc he’s not a Pirate or because you don’t think he’s very good.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

that’s my projection and isn’t that what this is about?

 I woke up this morning with Pomeranz on my mind for some reason and the last time I had a similar gut feeling was last night while watching the O’s game. I felt a Weiters homer coming. Sure enough, 2 pitches later…

Anyways, he would be at the back of the line for a rotation spot and more likely a late 2012 callup at best.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why you’d have Pomeranz there but none of the pitchers NH has already drafted.

by MarkInDallas on May 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have any of them even started playing yet?

 I imagine Drew would start next year at High A and be able to move quickly. The only rival would be Quentin Miller who could also be in AAA by then if all breaks right.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nathan Baker, Quinton Miller, and Jeff Inman are at WV. Not to say that these guys are destined for the Pirates rotation in 2012, but Pomeranz knocking on the door after only 1 year in the minors seems pretty optimistic.

by MarkInDallas on May 2, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is he a Boras guy?

It’s possible he could see time this year and I clarified that for him specifically he would be an option more towards the end of the year. I’d think the #2 pick would be ahead of those guys if at the same place in their development and I’m also being optimistic at a Matusz like path to the majors. But sure, toss the others into the mix.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No advisor yet.

To the best of my knowledge. Wouldn’t be surprised if he signed with Boras, though.

by Vlad on May 3, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I woke up this morning thinking about an old girlfriend

in Japan.

With the Pirates’ track record of drafting and developing 1st-round pitchers, I wouldn’t even hazard a guess about potential lineups in ’12 before someone is even drafted by the club.

by patthatt on May 2, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see

Jones on this team in 2012.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on May 2, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want to see Cutch and Tabata be in the top two spots in the order. I would be surprised if Pedro isn’t hitting 3rd or 4th in 2012. I am going to go with:

1) Cutch CF
2) Tabata RF
3) Jones 1B
4) Alvarez 3B
5) LaRoche 2B
6) Sanchez C
7) Free agent acquisition LF
8) D’Arnaud/ Mercer
9) Pitcher

When the Pirates feel like their lineup is good enough to compete for a playoff spot (probably 2012), they have to go out and get SOME pitching in free agency. Go and spend the money on a reliable starting pitcher or two and let unproven guys battle for 1 spot. In 2012 the division should be weaker too. The Cards won’t be able to sign many players beyond Pujols, and Prince Fielder will leave the division.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

With Cutch's power apparently increasing by the day....

I really can’t see him batting anywhere other than 3rd. His hands and bat-speed are elite, in my eyes, and I only expect him to hit more and more over the fence, as opposed to simply ‘to the fence’. Plus, if you have him 3rd, followed by Jones/Alvarez, it is tough not to pitch to him, especially fast balls. Think Utley in front of Howard, etc.

Plus, I assume that the Bucs want their best player, with high OBP, right in front of its two biggest sluggers.

If Tabata proves he can handle lead-off duties, and Andy continues his patient approach at the plate, I see them being at the head of the order.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not maximize his PAs

I think Cutch’s production at the top of the order could rival the greatest leadoff hitter of all-time, Rickey Henderson. He probably won’t walk quite as much, but besides that, he would have similar speed and power. That said, I am interested in whether Cutch/Tabata or Tabata/Cutch would be more productive.

I believe pretty strongly in maximizing ABs for your better hitters, and I would always hit my top 4 batters in the top 4 spots. If Pedro isn’t one of our top 4 hitters in 2012, then we probably won’t be competitive. We need him to put up big #s.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the same reasons you don't hit Arod or Utley at leadoff

Most teams put their best all around hitter at 3. Cutch looks like he will have the power and run producing skills to back it up. I like Tabata, Andy and Cutch but then you have 3 righties at the top of the order. Even the prospects who project as top of the order guys (D’Arnaud, Marte) are right handed so I wonder what they will do with that.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Pedro will be a better hitter

And Tabata should be close to Cutch level. If Cutch develops 30 HR power then yea move him down. He could bat 2nd as well.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

if Tabata is close to cutch and Pedro ends up better, then our team will definitely be winning. I see Cutch more as .300/.385 with home run fluctuations in the 20’s but we’ll see. He has a great swing but I just don’t know many 175 lb guys hit 30 dingers a year.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just speaking from an OPS+ standpoint, not necessarily overall value. If I had to predict their OPS+ during their tenure with the Bucs, I would say:

Cutch: 125
Tabata: 115
Pedro: 135

Yes, those are optimistic projections, but Cutch is relatively proven, Tabata has hit at every level and is (hopefully) still very young, and Pedro in my opinion is going to be a Carlos Pena type of hitter. That said, if all three of those hitters reach their potential, it makes the top of our lineup playoff worthy, but we won’t make the playoffs if our rotation is anything like what it is right now.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to predict that Garrett Jones is not starting in 2012, that D’Arnaud will be our 2B and that Alvarez will be playing first. A left-handed bat not currently in the system will be at one of the corner OF spots. Tabata or Marte will man the other.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tabata seems like a lock

I would love to see Marte develop but he’s obv more of a long-shot. Pitchers aren’t pitching to Jones and he is still having to adjust to that. I think he is still a legit major league hitter.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I have been more encouraged....

By Legend’s approach at the plate this year than last year. He seems like he realizes what Pitchers are doing to him, he is adjusting by being more patient, and, eventually, I see his average coming up to the .280 range by then end of May. If he is sitting there at .280, with his OBP around .380 or so, he will be just fine. The power will come, along with more hits as his BABIP is really low last I saw.

I think he sticks…

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

To put it in perspective

In spite of Jones’ slow start, his OPS+ is still a reasonable 97. Contrast that to our other corner OFer, who has an OPS+ of 60. (I know, it’s only one month, blah blah.)

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones’ athleticism gives me hope, but I can’t completely ignore that minor league track record. I hope he keeps it up for a few more years because a PNC-based team would seem to require left-handed power hitters.

I think Tabata will hit for power, but I’ll have to see it before I write his name in ink.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only everyday players currently in the organization

that I think are pretty near locks to be in the lineup on Opening Day 2012 are Cutch and Alvarez, with Sanchez working his way into the lineup.

Many people keep obsessing about Jose Tabata, but his lack of power so far makes me worry that he may only be Lastings Milledge with a little better average at the plate.

Jones and LaRoche will hopefully be key cogs in the everyday lineup for a few more years, but I’m still skeptical.

If the team continues to build the farm system, a number of the prospects we have now and in the next couple of years could be traded to help the team at the MLB level.

And considering the fact that many of our good prospects are HS pitchers from last year, we can be assured that not a few of them will never even see PNC Park, except as spectators.

I still believe we are headed in the right direction with building the club from the draft, international signings, and working hard to develop that talent.

We’ve got a long way to go, though, and we need the Nuttings to sell the team in a couple of years, too.

by patthatt on May 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pearce isn't playing today in Indy....

Is that a sign that his ticket is punched for PGH?

Combined with JR’s words about bringing up another bat, it seems likely. Bass, most likely, will be sent down.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Might as well give him a shot

Milledge and Clement both look overmatched at the plate. Obv Pearce isn’t a great prospect, but maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle two years in a row (Garrett Jones Part 2).

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

He can hit lefties (career .920 OPS in the majors), so at the very least he can spell Clement and Jones against certain LHP.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

His #s against lefties aren’t over an enormous sample size, but I think it makes perfect sense to see if he can hit lefties hard over the long-term. If he does, he makes for a very solid bench or platoon player for the Bucs in their long-term plans.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely want to see Pearce against left-handers. It’s not necessarily what he can do against them, it’s what Jones and Clement can’t.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like moving Andy to second base, but this lineup could be good:

Out: Iwamura, Doumit, Clement, Milledge
In: Alvarez, Tabata, Sanchez

LF Tabata
CF McCutchen
3B Alvarez
1B Jones
C Sanchez
2B LaRoche
RF XXX
SS d’Arnaud/Mercer

I don’t think Clement has the bat to play first base long-term, and I think Jones makes little enough money and hits for just enough power to maybe manage to stick.

The right fielder could be Hernandez, Church, a free agent, really anybody not named Delwyn Young. Either that or Jones plays right field with Alvarez or Clement at first.

by Suffering Buc on May 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

Of course, there’s always the possibility that the Pirates pick up someone in a trade for Doumit, Iwamura, Duke or Maholm who winds up in the lineup down the line. It’s a tough projection to make.

by Suffering Buc on May 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it is pitching

Preferably legit AA/AAA prospects, not A longshots. Especially if Doumit stays hot – we should get some very good offers for him.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suffering Buc

What makes you think at this point that Gorkys Hernandez will be a viable RF option in a year or two?

Jordy Mercer has been moved to 3B. I don’t think the team envisions him as an everyday SS in the majors.

Tony Sanchez batting 5th?

I think people will be surprised at the turnover in Pittsburgh over the next two years.

Barring injury, pencil in Cutch and Alvarez. The rest is a crapshoot.

by patthatt on May 2, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

God help us if we’re playing Gorkys in a corner OF spot. For me, his only value is as a CF.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Gorkys will be in the lineup, and never in a corner. I was just tossing him out there as a possibility. There would have to be a ton changing between now and then for him to make it.

by Suffering Buc on May 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tabata leads off game with single....

Steats second…..

Walker triples him in……

Pedro K’s on three pitches….

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

He’s 10 for 11 so far this year, so it’s certainly encouraging.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the #s are great

But what the heck happened to him? Someone mentioned in another thread that maybe he lost some weight. Tabata’s value increases greatly if he ends up being an elite base runner and base stealer. He had 11 SBs and 8 CS last year.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right - those numbers are a drastic improvement thus far...

I hope he can maintain this and it isn’t simply a small sample….

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only caught once - good find

That is Cutch-like, thus far. That speed component, other than Cutch, is missing this year at the top of the order. If Tabata can add that to his game, he could make a hell of a lead-off hitter, combined with his ability to hit for average and his ability to stay away from too many strikeouts…

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 Tabata RF
2 LaRoche 2B
3 McClutchen CF
4 Alvarez 3B
5 Garrett Jones 1B (or Clement if he can fulfill his immense potential)
6 Tony Sanchez C
7 Lastings "Thrill"adge LF (maybe Gorkys Hernandez or Brandon Moss if they can develop)
8 Chase D’Arnaud SS
9 Lincoln/Alderson/Morton/Ohlendorf/Owens P
Bench: Mercer, Moss, Pearce, Jaramillo, Raynor (if we can keep him)
I feel that the offensive output would be enough but behind Lincoln and Alderson there are too many question marks.I think that Rudy Owens, Brad Lincoln and Tim Alderson will be quality #2 or #3 guys but we don’t have an ace, and I feel that Morton needs more AAA seasoning to develop his “gnarly” stuff and Ohlendorf is at best a 4 or 5 probably better suited as a guy who comes out of the bullpen and pitches a ton, but is able to spot start

by 2010 will be the year on May 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you are projecting Alderson a bit too high .....

And, Morton a bit too low.

The pitching is still suspect in my eyes. I believe we really need the young Class A guys from the 2009 draft to hit more than they miss. But, even if they hit, they are still 3 years away at the least, most likely.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Pomerantz?

He would probably be ready by 2012. He only throws around 90 mph, but you can’t deny the results, and I assume he would be closer to MLB than any high schooler.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope we go with Macha at Pick #2....

Then, go after the young arms in the later rounds, similar to last year. With our resources, I think this is the best way to go about your drafting process.

Obviously we don’t know if we got the ‘right arms’ last year, but, I think the strategy is sound and provides a blue-print for our future drafts. If there is a can’t-miss guy like Pedro, then you adjust. But, in 2010, I think we should take Macha, shoring up our SS position for the future (hopefully), and then gettin our arms in later rounds.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as long as we don't go cheap in Round 1

I think the FO got extremely lucky with Sanchez, or they knew something that no one else did.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's fair to the FO

They had said prior to the draft, during the draft, and after the draft that Sanchez was their guy, despite others feeling he was over-picked.

I don’t think luck had anything to do with it, at least not any more than it usually plays when a prospect ends up turning out.

More importantly though, they announced a strategy and then executed it both in the 1st round and the later rounds. We will find out if they got the right dudes, but, the execution cannot be denied.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crotta gives up infield hit, then walks a guy...

However, he comes back with a K and a DP.

Good recovery…

Is this dude a legit prospect, fellas? His peripherals the last couple of years haven’t been that good, but this year, he is striking many more out and keeping the ball on the ground, I believe.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a legit prospect imo

Too old, not enough Ks, bad peripherals coming into this season.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I generally agree....

Maybe he could end up being long-relief, assuming his groundball ratio is able to be maintained. Or, perhaps he is this year’s Rudy Owens and breaks out….

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Maybe he can be AAA depth, a guy who could at least come up for a spot start now and then and not be a complete disaster.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't he who

DK said was pitching without his sinker last year at the request of management? He’s a sinkerball pitcher, so that is bound to affect what his numbers looked like last year.

by MarkInDallas on May 2, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be

Regardless, he’s throwing in low 90s and his sinker is getting an insane amount of ground balls right now. I just don’t know much about his secondary stuff.

by Slizeezyc on May 2, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's him

The Pirates forced him to develop a 4 seamer and secondary pitches and told him he couldnt use his sinker in games last year until that happened. Once he did that, big improvements apparently happened this year once he could bring back the sinker.

by MarkInDallas on May 3, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good question

He’s 25, so he was a bit old for Altoona. But he’s striking out guys at a pretty good rate and keeping the walks down. Tough to say.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Altoona-Harrisburg

Is it safe to say we have a rain delay in Harrisburg?

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Tabata

Singled to lead off the 3rd, stole second again. 11 for 12 on the season.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

What the hell?

??? Are we going to have two Andrew McCutchens at the top of our order come June?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe

They have him bat 9th and be their “second leadoff guy.”

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedro or Tabata

If you had to bet right now, who would you say gets the call up first?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

This may be against the grain....

But I am going to say Tabata. I say that because Tabata has essentially done the same thing since he has been with the Bucs, for better or worse. He has hit for average – everywhere, he hasn’t hit for power, he hasn’t struck out, and, this year – he has added the ability to steal bags and not be caught (atleast thus far). People have said that he won’t get called up until they see power, but I disagree. I think they think the power will come regardless of where he is getting at-bats, if it ever comes. His defense is ready, his arm is ready, and, I think if he hits Triple-A like he has hit at other levels for another month or two, he is coming up.

Pedro could join him at the same time, but I would imagine they want him to cut the K’s down, continue to reshape his body, continue progress at 3B, and, they want to see if there is a logical way to bring him up position-wise.

So, I will go with Jose….

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Pedro has clear things he needs to work on: he needs to improve his D and hit lefties. He can improve those skills by taking fielding practice and hitting lefties in practice and game situations until he feels comfortable. What do you say to Tabata? We hope you develop power, just keep hitting until the ball goes over the fence? I know the Pirates got Milledge because they like his upside, but I still really want to see Tabata replace Milledge in the outfield in June.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

a struggling second basemen with some trade value on the last year of his contract is far easier to move than either a young OF or 1B who you just traded for and have potential.

Tabata will not be called up until he has a starting spot and barring injury I just don’t see one opening up before July, when NH will be looking to move Aki.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

should say ‘far easier to replace’ not move.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

How does Aki affect Tabata’s playing time?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys said Tabata would come up before Pedro

I’m saying Pedro has a much easier route to a starting position.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, ok, I misunderstood you

I thought you meant Aki was blocking Tabata.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Milledge is playing at an absolutely unacceptable level for a corner outfielder. Does he really get the whole year?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

but I think he will still be playing by the time Pedro comes up, which I think will be in July sometime.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am suggesting

Tabata should replace Milledge. Not compicated roster shuffling, just replace an inadequate LFer with a good prospect having a good start at AAA.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points....

I guess it would be more accurate for me to say that Tabata has less things to iron out in the eyes of the FO than Pedro does, in my eyes. Whether he gets called up first depends on position/players ahead of him, as you stated.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tabata

3 for 3. Walker walked, so no chance to steal another bag.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I just opened gameday

Tabata steals third? Are you kidding me?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Double steal by Tabata and Walker. 3 steals for Tabata today. Maybe Nate Bump has the slowest pitching motion ever or something.

by biggyv on May 2, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Walker

now with 8 SB’s himself on the year. He also gains a lot of value if he can go 20/20 at 2b with good D.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

Altoona was the only team to score a run against Strasburg in AA. Not that that really means anything, but still cool.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

He gets a lot of GB, and I could see an A-ball infield letting a lot go through. But I didn’t see the game, so who knows.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if management sees him as a starter or reliever down the road. A groundball pitcher working in the low 90’s could be good middle relief the next couple years.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is having a bad outing tonight, but I said it last year with him and will stick by it. The kid will go on to win a few CY Young awards in his career. He has unreal stuff and only imagine he will get better.

by psunate77 on May 2, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 out

Seems like a good time to steal third. :)

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not with how hot Walker is

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing it's still OK

When you are 12 for 13 on the year. I don’t know if their SP was very slow to the plate or the catcher is weak, but Tabata obv took advantage today.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about Walker playing 1B?

Is this the first time he has played there this season? Ever?

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

He's played their twice before this year.

Never before that professionally, though.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on May 2, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tabata's slash line right now (excluding today):

.305/.371/.421.

When do you have to consider getting this guy up here, simply because there’s no longer any reason to keep him at AAA?

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on May 2, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

We bring him up as soon as we can and still avoid Super 2 stuff. Does anyone know what date that would be?

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Normally

that is late May. THere’s no set date. But Beginning of June is safe.

by MarkInDallas on May 2, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They aren't going to bring Tabata up until...

They are able to play him everyday. Too young to promote and play only half of the time and cost him developmental AB’s. I dont think they are ready to sit Clement or Milledge yet. Once they get to the point where they fill those guys have had enough of a shot, I think first shot would go to Pearce and Walker, and not until after those guys get a chance does Tabata come up.

As for Arb concerns, Early/Mid June usually clears you of Super 2 concerns, but I dont think that is what they are waiting for with Tabata at all.

by goodtymes31 on May 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have another month or so until Tabata could get called up

And right now Clement AND Milledge are playing at absolutely unacceptable levels. Unless BOTH of them turn it on, there will be at least one spot available. And I don’t see Pearce or Walker getting a shot to play every day.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Pirates continue to be at the bottom of the NL in runs scored, and Tabata continues to look like a great leadoff hitter at AAA, I think you have to force him into the lineup. We got a bunch of high upside formerly ranked prospects, with the hopes that some would pan out. I don’t think you can let Clement and Milledge block Tabata just because they are older basically, that wouldn’t make sense to me.

by Pghfan987 on May 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re right, but there are still a lot of its. Tabata has to mash for another month and the players we have here have to keep playing horrendously.

by bolton on May 2, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

should say a lot of “ifs.”

by bolton on May 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

One option, if everything is the same as it is now in about 3 weeks, would be to put Tabata in and let Milledge and Clement share a spot where GFJ would move between OF and 1B.

That would require a lot of shifting positions though and remove any potential Pearce or Walker PT.

by Mr. E on May 2, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

To look like a "great leadoff hitter" at AAA...

…Tabata would need to start drawing at least a few walks. Right now, his OBP is fine, but it’s being driven almost entirely by BA. His walk rate is still substandard: only 9 BB in 100 AB.

Please, stop rushing the kid. He’ll be ready when he’s ready.

by Vlad on May 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

A hitter like Tabata

I think should be consistently hitting around .320 or .330 to get called up. He needs to hit in the .300 range in MLB to be useful because of the predominance of singles. Right now he is at around 20% XBH. Contrast that to Walker, who is at 33% and Pearce who is at 50%.

by MarkInDallas on May 3, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker and Pearce

The FO is obviously skeptical about them because of their track records – Pearce in MLB and Walker in the minors. Tabata hasn’t had the chance in the majors yet, but he has been consistently good at every level of minor league play, especially in terms of contact hitting. As far as BA, there isn’t some strict formula for figuring out what he should be hitting at AAA, and I would actually expect Tabata to come up and hit .300 immediately. I don’t expect a big learning curve for him, just like Cutch.

by Pghfan987 on May 3, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s really no telling, but for him to hit .300, I would expect he should be hitting .320+ in AAA, which of course, he is right now.

A .300 hitter in AAA usually drops to .280 or so in MLB. Infield defense is generally better in MLB, and that means more of those groundball singles are going to be turning into outs, plus a hitter usually has a higher K rate in MLB as well.

These factors combine to make it likely that Tabata should hit .320+ in AAA if he is going to hit .300 in MLB.

by MarkInDallas on May 3, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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