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Pirates Should Promote Neil Walker

Like the "Pirates should send Charlie Morton to the minors" post a few days ago, this is hardly cutting-edge stuff, since it's something a lot of you have been screaming about for a while now. But I tend to be more conservative than most about moving prospects through the system, so my calls to promote Player X or demote Player Y will tend to come later than those of many of the fans. Already I'm behind Pat on this one.

Here it is, though. Again, for a team in the Pirates' situation, playing time is a valuable resource, in that you can use it to learn about what you have (and, in the case of veterans, to show other teams what you have). At this point, there is simply no reason to waste a valuable resource like playing time on Akinori Iwamura, who is slow in the field and whose only virtue at the plate is his willingness to take a pitch. Iwamura is now 31 and has about 150 at bats with an OPS+ of 32. He's awful. Enough is enough.

If the Pirates bench or release Iwamura, there is no one currently on the 25-man roster who should be playing second every day. Delwyn Young would probably be the best choice, but he can't field the position and hasn't hit this year. Bobby Crosby has played competently as a bench infielder, but there's no reason to expand his role beyond that at this point in his career. It's too bad that Iwamura has been a bust, but at the same time, the Pirates should see the vacancy he's created as an opportunity to see what another player can do. That player should be Neil Walker

As everyone here knows, I'm not a huge fan of Walker. Before this year, the best thing one could say about him was that he was a former first round pick. Beyond that, he was been a disappointment as he came up the chain. Before 2010 he had only posted an OBP above .345 one time in all his stops in the minors. His Class AAA OBPs the last two years were .280 and .311, which was awful, and which portended failure in the big leagues if he didn't improve. His power was fine, but not much better. And his batting averages were mediocre. He also showed a sense of entitlement about being in the major leagues that was bizarre coming from a guy who had received a seven-figure bonus upon signing and who had done precious little to justify it. In fact, the Pirates cited Walker's attitude as one reason that he was passed over in favor of Steve Pearce when the Bucs needed an extra player a couple weeks ago. From everything I've read, Walker seems immature for his age, and it doesn't seem he deserves the talent he's been given. Frankly, he seems like a hard player to root for.

Still, it's time to put all that aside. Walker has been playing second at Indianapolis, and apparently has played it well. (Pat has some links to some very brief first-hand reports in the link in the first paragraph.) And if there's one thing Walker really deserves praise for, it's been his talent and adaptability as an infielder. After years as a catcher, he molded himself into a good defensive third baseman. He should be able to do the same at second. His hitting this year also has improved markedly--he's hitting for a high average and terrific power, drawing some walks and even stealing some bases. Other than the issue of his hustle, there's nothing not to like about his play this year. He appears to be ready for a shot.

Almost as importantly, the timing is right for him to get one. Plainly, Pedro Alvarez should be well ahead of Walker on the Pirates' list of long-term priorities, but Kyle Stark himself has said that Alvarez is behind Walker in the promotion queue, and rightly so. Alvarez hasn't played badly this year, but he's hitting .247. He certainly has the talent to improve in that area, but since contact issues will probably always be his bugaboo, he should work through them at Class AAA until things get better.

Once Alvarez does make it to the big leagues, he'll play every day, which could create a problem for Walker. Andy LaRoche will probably move from third to second. LaRoche seems like a volatile player who is prone to inexplicable slumps with both the bat and the glove, but he has probably done enough with both to warrant more playing time. That might make it difficult to find a role for Walker that goes beyond his being the new Delwyn Young. 

In the meantime, though, there's a gaping hole at second that will be there until Alvarez arrives. Walker should fill it. There's been some talk around here about what calling Walker up now would do with regard to his future arbitration eligibility and Super Two status, but I don't think we should worry about that. Players like Alvarez and Andrew McCutchen are important enough that the Pirates should worry about such things, but Walker really is not, and if he can help the Pirates now, then I think they should play him.

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I agree with your main points...

…but I wouldn’t be so quick to discount the possibility Walker has actually figured it out and might stick at the position for a while. Maybe he’s no Joe Morgan with the bat, but the bar for second basemen isn’t so high that a guy with Walker’s tools couldn’t meet it.

In which case, the Super Two stuff could be an issue. Besides, how long do we have to wait to get past that threshold — a week? I’m all for seeing Walker up here sooner rather than later, but the difference between now and a week from now isn’t so great that I’d throw away a year of arbitration eligibility for nothing.

by bucfaninwa on May 21, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I think MarkinDallas has said that Walker wouldn’t pass his Super Two date until July-ish, so that would certainly be a significant wait, particularly since Alvarez could be up by then. If it were a week, I’d probably agree with you.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that date was so he doesn’t pass a whole year of service time this year, not his super two date

by C4M4 on May 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pardon me for asking

I am sorry that I am not familiar with the difference?

by psdeuce on May 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw, not being sarcastic

I know that sounds kind of dick on the internets

by psdeuce on May 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, the Super Two thing would give him four years of arbitration instead of three (and cost the Pirates some money if they took him to arbitration all four of those years), whereas the year of service time thing affects when he becomes eligible for free agency.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

Totally understood. Thank you

by psdeuce on May 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie has it covered there, but just to emphasize if he came up pre-May 20 he’d be a free agent a year earlier than if he comes up now. He’ll most likely be a Super Two if he comes up at any point in the new few weeks, but won’t be free agent eligible until he gets 6 full seasons in.

by ElDuce on May 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I understood the first part – The free agent eligibility. Would Pedro’s Super Two be earlier (First week in June) because Walker has been a prior September callup?

by psdeuce on May 21, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Sounds like you’ve got it figured out. Every day you’re on the MLB roster counts.

by ElDuce on May 21, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Super Two Date

For players like Alvarez, Tabata and Lincoln who have never played in MLB, the Super Two date is: May 28.

This is the date that they can no longer get 130 days this year. That number is significant because no player in the last several years got Super Two status having less than 2 years and 130 days.

For Neil Walker…add the 34 days he was on the roster last year to that date. That would make his Super Two date July 2nd or so.

Of course, Super Two date is not set in stone, and the Pirates might not want to take the chance of cutting it so close. McCutchen was brought up about 1 week after the Super Two cutoff date, so they may want to wait and extra week.

My guess is Lincoln will take 2 more starts in AAA and then come up.

I don’t think there’s any way Walker is held down in AAA until July 9th when that would waste such valuable evaluation time! So, at this point they should just assume he is going to be Super Two (like they have already done with Jeff Clement and Steve Pearce) and bring him up immediately.

by MarkInDallas on May 21, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible

That, as more teams are mindful of Super Two status, that the date could shift? It’s unknown until the end of the year exactly who qualifies, right? In other words, more teams are mindful, so they bring up their prospects a bit later, meaning the Super Two date gets pushed back? I imagine this is why Strasburg isn’t starting until 6/4 even though he’s clearly ready.

by biggyv on May 21, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it's possible

And that is probably why the Pirates wouldn’t want to cut it too close. However, teams have pretty much gotten the sense of the date and it has happen to stabilize around 130 days or more.

by MarkInDallas on May 21, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thought exactly...

If everyone knows that the first 50 people brought through the door can hurt your team, they all try to delay, and not be a team bringing up the player. At some point, the Super 2 date will be November.

by Trogluddite on May 22, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random horrible idea...

Can’t they just change to picking these Super Two guys by lottery, instead? All the teams are really doing are choosing worse players to become Super Two eligible to dodge what might be argued as “just” compensation.

Heck, take the 50 eligible players with the best OPS+ over that time period. Now THAT’d be fun.

I really hope they fix this arbitration eligibility crap in the next CBA. There’s no reason why guys like Strasburg, Santana, etc. shouldn’t be playing in MLB last week.

What’s really funny about all of this is that the MLB players shaft themselves by restricting young player pay. If young players 90% as skilled are 1/3 the price, why would you pay veterans their “deserved through experience” amount?

MLB needs to stop conflating competitive balance issues with player salary issues (even if the causes are related).

Off soapbox, begin flaming…

by bigjpiot on May 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you penalize players that have more service time in favor of those that have less? How fair is that?

The only possible “fair” way to treat service time would be to make everyone a free agent whenever they get exactly 6 years of service, regardless of whether that were in the middle of the season or not.

In lieu of that, they could have the arbitrator decide their extra salary for the extra time at the end of their 6 years.

by MarkInDallas on May 22, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could make 30+ days = one year of service. That way teams could bring players up as September call-ups without worrying, but they couldn’t get that bonus year simply by keeping him down for a few weeks in April. That would force teams to bring a player up if he’s ready or leave him in AAA until September.

And just eliminate the Super 2 clause.

by MBandi on May 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to penalize anyone

I just want the best players to get paid. I think the 30+ days = 1 year is good. Then just pick a minimum number of years to be eligible for arbitration.

Also, I am aware that teams like the Pirates need these sorts of rules to stay competitive. I just think it’s ridiculous when a guy who goes 300/400/500 for a year has to play for 400K and shoulder injury risk while guys who were NEVER that good get millions. It’s also why I find it funny when people complain about draft picks getting paid.

Get guys in the majors when they belong there, get player arbitration status out of teams’ hands since they’re hardly impartial.

We need a “The CBA is fun to complain about post” where we can hide these discussions from sane people who care about the baseball…

by bigjpiot on May 23, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Walker

Didn’t know Walker was playing 2nd at Indy. Bring him up. Service time be damned . If Walker is competent at turning the pivot and fielding the position, he’d be an upgrade on Aki. I know management has placed a lot of money in Aki but he doesn’t look like the same player he was at Tampa. Time to move on while were only 5.5 out. Why not dream? The other teams in the division haven’t been impressive thus far.

by Quahog on May 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Bring him up

In 3 or 4 years we might have a better option or we might not, right now he looks like a better option.

by MDBuc on May 21, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

If he’s a better option in 3 years then pay him.

by MDBuc on May 21, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker

I am all for Neil getting his promotion, as long as they don’t Steve Pearce him. Pearce has put together three solid starts in a row and look at tonight’s line up…

1. Andy LaRoche, 3B
2. Bobby Crosby, 2B
3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
4. Garrett Jones, RF
5. Ryan Church, LF
6. Ryan Doumit, C
7. Jeff Clement, 1B
8. Ronny Cedeno, SS
9. Ross Ohlendorf, P

Really? On the bench? Clement gets a pass and Church who is NOT the future gets to play. Way to cool off one of our few hot bats!

by Brakeman8 on May 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

gotta love JRs lineups. i dont mind giving crosby the start at 2B or Church in LF but i agree Pearce should be in still regardless of the matchup.

by C Shint on May 21, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Church must have pictures of Russell in compromising photos.......

There really is no other way to describe him this year other than he has been bad offensively, despite what JR says about his bat speed.

Look, Milledge isn’t setting the world on fire, to be kind, but, I think we all agree that Milledege has a better chance of being with us when were good than Church does.

Let’s see what he’s got, especially when he is hitting better than the alternative.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 21, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have been…

1. Andrew McCutchen, CF
2. Steve Pearce, 1B
3. Garrett Jones, RF
4. Ryan Doumit, C
5. Andy LaRoche, 3B
6. Neil Walker, 2B
7. Lastings Milledge, LF
8. Ross Ohlendorf, P
9. Ronny Cedeno, SS

by Adam Reynolds on May 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good article, Charlie....

I agree with pretty much everything you said about Walker, with the lone exception being what bucfaninwa pointed out regarding his Super-2 status/arbitration issues.

One thing, however. If we bring up Lincoln, I am almost positive that the FO would demote Burress/Karstens rather than Charlie Morton. And, I think they would be correct in that instance. Morton belongs in the Major Leagues, his peripherals indicate that he is the victim of bad luck (BABIP, FB/HR rate, LOB %, etc) and him dominating Triple-A ballclubs won’t change anything.

He proved last year, over an extended period of time, that he is able to not only belong here, but he is able to excel. The FO hasn’t shown any signs that their patience is wearing thin w/r/t Morton…..and I agree with them.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 21, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

As I just posted, unless they keep Walker in AAA until somewhere between July 2 and July 7, he is going to be a Super Two, and they have already shown with both Pearce and Clement that they are willing to accept Super Two status for those similar value players.

by MarkInDallas on May 21, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, Dallas....

At this point, I am with the crowd that says, regardless of Super 2 status, Walker should be up here.

Regarding Morton, where do you fall, Dallas?

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on May 21, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need to see what happens in the next 2 starts for Morton and Burress. Burress seems to be pitching a bit over his head or getting lucky. However, if he turns in 2 excellent starts between now and then, and Morton blows up, then we might have to reevaluate.

However, if Burress reverts to who we thought he was, it’s better to send him down. He actually has an option left, whereas Karstens does not.

by MarkInDallas on May 21, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

Worrying about whether Neil Walker gets Super 2 status is like worrying about chastity at a cathouse. Neil can come up now, play 2B for the rest of the year, and then move on to be an uber-utility man (see: Don Kelly) or stay and play 2B because we’ve traded (or will trade) L’il Luigi for yet more prospects. This assumes that sometime after 2 June 2010, Alvarez begins hitting .564 w/a slugging percentage of .750 and an OPS of 2.850315 in AAA. In the meantime, there seems to be an excess of non-hitting, limited-range, aging 2B on the market. See Kaz Matsui. Eating Aki’s contract is not a pleasant option, but its far better than paying him those $$$ to do something that any average, middle-aged, blogger can do on the baseball field.

by Trogluddite on May 21, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

walker's hustle

This is an anecdote, not an evaluation of how much pete rose Walker has in him.

I’ve only seen the guy play one game. It was in his first year at third, when the Curve made its annual visit to Portland. I was later amazed that Walker had turned into an excellent 3B, because he absolutely looked like a fish out of water at his new position on that night, with at least one error and a couple more that could have been scored that way. He did make one reaction play where he made a Brooks Robinson-style* dive on a ball that was, alas, foul.

Anyhoo, the hustle part comes in here. After playing a really bad third base for 7 innings, he came to bat in the 8th; up till then, he’d been wearing the collar with his hitting most likely affected by his bad game in the field. In this AB, Walker takes called strike two and, having lost track of the count, he turns and heads for the dugout; the hostile crowd hooted on him mercilessly.

Easy for a kid that young to be humiliated and give up the AB. Walker instead busted it down the line for an infield hit (by a gnat’s eyelash) and ended up scoring the winning run. It’s only one play, in the only game I’ve ever seen him perform, but that little episode has stuck with me, and it’s part of the reason I’ve rooted hard for him.

*I realize, most of you are probably saying who’s Brooks Robinson :-) . Hard for me to realize that he’d be the equivalent of Pie Traynor when I was growing up. Some ancient guy who was apparently a great 3B. How about Graig Nettles? Wait, even he’s 30 years past his career. When did I get so old?

by mocasdad on May 22, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

by a gnat’s eyelash

Sounds like the Gunner!

"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway

by SubLime on May 22, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pedro Alvarez

They need to get rid of Alvarez if he is hitting .247 in the minors. Andy Laroche hits better than that against major league pitching.

by pirate fan on May 22, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

They need to get rid of Alvarez

Signed,

The Other 29 GMs

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on May 22, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, you realize that pedro is the only Huntington draft pick that is even close to the majors, right? And he is far from a bust, and in fact will be a very good player, right? Oh, wait. Youre just an idiot. Carry on.

by ryebr3ad on May 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BigB is making a joke, I’m pretty sure.

by Charlie Wilmoth on May 22, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, probably

My apologies Mr. BigB. I was trigger happy and bored at work.

by ryebr3ad on May 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This might be the most stupid thing I have ever seen

by ryebr3ad on May 22, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this is his

2nd season playing professional baseball and he is batting over .300 in may he just got off to a slow start and ryan howard hits like .240 and alvarez has legit power which the pirates obviously need

by jharrison92 on May 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Heyward coulda been a Pirate...

Great read on how Heyward got away from the Buccos – and 12 other MLB teams.
Can you imagine having HIM in left instead of “eternal prospect – with three organizations” – Milledge?! http://bit.ly/9f7nGQ

As for Walker…I know Neil H. mentioned that Walker has some maturing to do, but – any time JR runs Iwamura out on the field, he loses the respect of fans, other MLB players and mgmt, and – most importantly – his OWN players!

Pirates are profitable…bring Neil up to play 2B!

by dorothy does sports on May 22, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

What is with the influx of dumb ass comments all of a sudden?

by ryebr3ad on May 22, 2010 8:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If the Pirates have any respect for the fans, Aki will be a pinch-hitter at most in two weeks.

by Adam Reynolds on May 23, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

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