Future Trade Returns
by 2010 will be the year on May 5, 2010 5:34 PM EDT
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What do you think we could get in a trade for Ryan Church, Bobby Crosby, Octavio Dotel, Brendan Donnelly, Javier Lopez, Brian Burres, Brian Bass or any other short-term veteran? I want the name of a player/players that can be compared to a possible return.
Example: if I wanted to say we would trade Church for someone who is like Argenis Diaz, low upside, I would simply state that
Heres my list:
Church- Argenis Diaz, low upside player
Crosby- Cash, or Hunter Strickland, low level player who has the potential
Dotel- 2 Tony Watson's and a Casey Erickson OR 1 Starling Marte and a Casey Erickson
Donnelly- Brett Lorin, an established guy who could make it, but likely won't
Lopez- Jesus Brito, low level guy who has talent, potential to maybe get to AAA
Burres- Eric Fryer
Bass- Casey Erickson
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I think you are overvaluing our players, which is pretty common by fans of a team.
Crosby would bring nothing, he would be a packaging piece in my opinion.
The only guys I see with any stand alone trade value are Dotel and, if healthy, Donnelly. Even those guys won’t bring anything other than a fringe prospect, maybe a Brandon Moss type or a Negrych.
Keep in mind a lot of your guys were available LATE in the FA period. They could have been had for peanuts. Sure injuries happen, needs are created during a season, but I just don’t see Bass, Burres, Church, and Lopez bringing anything other than a guy that is way too old for his level, i.e. a 25 year old in high A ball, at most
Our biggest trade assets, that could realistically be moved, would be Doumit, Duke and Maholm. However, the Buccos haven’t had much luck with starters, so hopefully they choose to the correct thing and keep them.
Lopez is probably tradable, because he's a lefty.
And I could potentially see a contender with an injured SS trading for Crosby as a stopgap, given the shallowness of the talent pool at that position right now. Neither is exactly a big-ticket item, though.
Bass and Burres are waiver-bait.
Cutch has lots of trade value
just thought I’d throw that out there.
Way too early to tell
But the Eric Hinske trade is a good gauge if those guys are performing well and one of the money teams has a need near the deadline.
Yes and no.
Hinske requested a trade and was a known clubhouse problem, which cost us some of our leverage.
Best recent analogy here for guys of that caliber is probably Grabow/Marte/LaRoche. A throw-in in a larger deal, or a comparatively light return in a one-off.
No way
Anyone would give up someone with Marte’s five tool talent for a past his prime reliever who hasn’t hit the strike zone consistently this year. You either way overvaluing our players or undervaluing Marte. Or both.
Church, in the midst of a mediocre season last year, brought back Jeff Francoeur in a trade. If he continues to hit and field even nearly as well as he has so far, I don’t see why his value would drop from what it was last year.
Trading him won’t bring back Stephen Strasburg, but it should do a lot better than someone like Argenis Diaz. Church is at worst a fourth outfielder on just about every team in baseball. He’s a serviceable number three on most.
If Church plays well
The Pirates just might hold onto him. The Pirates actually have him under control for another year. The guy has had some very decent seasons before last year’s poor one. The wOBA he is putting up right now is much closer to his good seasons at the start of his career.
If you asked me whether Milledge or Church was going to be better with the bat the next few years, I’d say Church. I think there’s little chance Milledge puts up the kind of production Church is showing now.
Xavier Nady had only one very good season, and it came in Pirates’ clothes. And that trade certainly netted a bundle. Church’s track record is much better than Nady’s was and if Church were to get enough playing time and put up a season like Nady did, I think he could definitely gain some good prospects in trade.
I would only move Church if people were out performing him on field and he was the odd man out.
Kind of a catch 22 there...
if we have enough people outperforming Church to the point where we would want to trade chances are he will not have had enough plate appearances or production to return anything of value. Under the circumstances you describe I don’t see Church generating a Nady return.
And I should also say...
That is why I think it would bring more value to the Pirates to keep Church through 2011 rather than trade him. He is either going to be one of our top 2 corner outfielders or will be a very good 4th outfielder, and that is important to help win games. Only if he is blocking a Cutch like sure thing should he be traded before then.
by MarkInDallas on May 6, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see a Nady return, but I think that we need to trade Church because IMO Milledge will be the 4th OF next season, so Church will have no space on the roster
by 2010 will be the year on May 6, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Milledge will have to improve a lot to reach 4th OF status. I would rather have Church be 4th OF because he’s actually a good player. That will help us win games, and I’d like the Pirates to be in the more of winning games. There’s no need to throw scrubs out there now if it can be avoided.
"There’s no need to throw scrubs out there now if it can be avoided."
I don’t see how anyone can disagree with this. And yet some fans here apparently do.
Well, he's not a scrub.
And he’s much more likely than Church is to develop into a significant part of an actual contender for us. So personally, I don’t see why someone who’s supposedly dedicated to the plan of building for the future would want us to sacrifice part of it for an incremental improvement in the present.
Why would teams trade for these guys? They all had a chance to sign them in the offseason and didn’t. Why would they now want to pay their salaries AND trade away prospects?
becuase
a team may have an issue come mid season where they are looking for a bat and well the guy they hoped to fill that gap is injured, under-performing, etc.
also
the fact that they didnt sign him doesn’t mean they were right not to…
how many GMs are wishing right now that they had signed Kelly Johnson?
I can think of 1
who’d rather have Jesse Chavez and Kelly Johnson. Or Rafy Soriano and Kelly Johnson.
Also
teams may have been unsure of a player at the time but now they see he is either healthy or performing like he once did they would be much more inclined to trade if they have a glaring need.
Dotel could fetch something of value at the deadline...
if his “unsustainable” HR/9 (2.38) and BABIP (.414) regress to more reasonable levels. He’s still striking people out (11.9 K/9) and throwing hard (92.2 avg FB in ‘10, 92.5 & 92.6 two previous years) . Contending teams will want those attributes in their bullpen, even if it is for a set-up role. I doubt anyone would give up a blue-chipper, but it’s conceivable the Bucs could get a someone who might be blocked in another organization under the right circumstances.
I agree about the peripherals, but many if not most teams buy at the deadline based on “back of the baseball card” statistics. That’s why Dotel, Donnelly, and Iwamura need their luck to even out to be worth much of value.
by Adam Reynolds on May 7, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
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