Draftee Signability Media Roundup
Now that we've finished drafting all these players, I thought it might be useful to take a look at preliminary indications of signability. If you run into any more information on that front, please post it in the comments.
Low difficulty:
#4: Nick Kingham, RHP
"I’m a big right-hander; that’s what they’re looking for," Kingham told NevadaPreps.com. "If we meet in the middle and agree on terms, the Pirates will be the way I go. There’s no bad way I can come out of this. I’m in a really good situation. There’s no losing in this right now." - David Schoen, MaxPreps.com
#13: Chris Kirsch, LHP
Kirsch has an offer from Pensacola Junior College. He said the only thing keeping him from signing with the Pirates is securing enough money to pay for an education, should his plan to play baseball for a living fizzle. (He hopes that’s not the case, but he’s got to have a backup plan.) - Christopher A. Vito, The Delaware County Times
Scholarship money is a pretty standard provision in contracts for draftees.
#14: Bryce Weidman, RHP
It is expected that Weidman will sign a contract, as he told a local newspaper last week that he would turn pro if drafted in the top 30 rounds. - Tim Novotny, KCBY news
#39: Kevin Decker, RHP
According to the Todd Lancaster of the Washington Times-Herald of Washington, Indiana , Decker has already signed with the Pirates:
"This as been a dream of mine ever since I was little and through high school," said Decker, who will report to a Pirate facility in Bradenton, Fla., today. "When I get down there they give you your spikes and gloves, sign your contract and you get a chance to meet some if the coaches. From there I will go to the New York-Penn League where they play a 60-game schedule. "My goal is to get back to Bradenton by the end of the season. That is a 'high A' team."
#40: Harrison Cooney, RHP
"I’m pretty surprised," said Cooney, who is not yet committed to a college but looking at Palm Beach State and Indian River State College. "I didn’t think this would ever happen, at least this quick. ... I’m honored and just really happy. It still really hasn’t sunk in. It’s pretty crazy." - Laurel Pfahler, The Treasure Coast Palm
It's usually a positive indicator when a high school player doesn't have a college commitment.
#49: Logan Pevny, RHP
The financial incentive for late-round selections in the Major League Baseball first-year player draft often isn’t enough to entice college-bound prospects to sign professional contracts.
West Milford’s Logan Pevny might become one of the exceptions.
Pittsburgh picked Pevny in the 49th round of the 50-round draft Wednesday, but Pevny will meet with Pirates scout Chris Klein on Saturday to discuss the possibility of signing. Pevny, a right-handed pitcher, signed a national letter of intent to play for FDU, but FDU coach Jerry DeFabbia recently informed Pevny that he won’t be back following a 16-38 season.
"It’s going to come to down to the money they offer," Pevny said. "But I really liked the coaching staff that got let go at FDU. If I got drafted and they were still there, it would’ve been a much harder decision for me. Now, since they’re not there, I’m kind of leaning toward the professional side." - Keith Idec and Mark J. Czerwinski, The Bergen County Record
A lucky break for us. I wonder whether our scouts knew about the impending firing when we picked Pevny.
Questionable:
#7: Austin Kubitza, RHP
#10: Zach Weiss, RHP
The information available on Weiss's signability is ambiguous.
Con:
[Wenatchee AppleSox manager Ed] Knaggs said early indications are that three of the four draft-eligible players (two-way player Marco Gonzales, and pitchers Zach Weiss and Jeff Ames) are leaning towards going to college, and thus to the AppleSox. - Brian Adamowsky, The Wenatchee World
Pro:
Along with fellow California prep standout Zach Weiss, [Adam Plutko is] the AppleSox player most likely to bypass college for the MLB draft... - Brian Adamowsky, The Wenatchee World
For whatever it's worth, the latter was posted more recently than the former.
#21: Dale Carey, OF
A high second round bonus is about $700,000, and a low fourth round bonus is a bit under $200,000.
#24: Justin Howard, 1B
Howard injured his left knee in a home plate collision with Minnesota catcher Kyle Knudson on Saturday at the NCAA Regional in Fullerton, Calif, an injury that Howard said caused his stock to drop.
"It was definitely the injury," Howard said. "Before the injury I’d heard some things and everyone was pretty confident I’d go in the top 10 rounds. Afer the injury it put a lot of questions out there. They were asking me a lot of questions. I still really don’t know what’s wrong with it at this point."
X-rays taken on Howard's knee while he was in Fullerton showed no broken bones, but the results of subsequent tests in Albuquerque have yet to come back.
"I’m waiting to get results back and at this point I’ll be going to see the Pirates’ doctor," he said. "We’re going to be setting that up after the draft is complete." - Christopher Jackson, Albuquerque Baseball Examiner
As a college senior, Howard's bonus demands likely will not be prohibitive. However, the team's willingness to sign him may depend on the results of his medical examination.
#26: Brandon Pierce, RHP
There is a chance Pierce could bypass college depending on how his senior season goes and where he is selected in the First-Year Player Draft.
"What we've told Nebraska is that unless it's life-changing money -- first to third round money -- I will be in college," Pierce said. - Jason Della Rosa, The Herald Democrat (Denison, TX)
A low third round bonus is about $300,000. First round money is obviously highly variable, but usually in the seven figures.
#28: Zack Powers, SS
#30: Matt Skirving, C
The Pirates had actually phoned Skirving earlier Tuesday during the 15th round, wondering if he was open to signing if drafted.
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The decision to join the Pirates is not an automatic one, since Skirving still has the option of returning to EMU for a fourth year of baseball. After earning First Team All-Mid-American Conference and All-Region honors as a sophomore, Skirving hit .259 with a team-leading 17 doubles in 56 games this spring.
"We will be contacted by the Pirates' area scout," said Skirving. "Then we'll sit down and discuss the details of a contract." - John Kennett, The Midland Daily News
If the team called him during the 15th round to ask about signability, and then waited until the 30th round to take him, that suggests that they didn't like the answer they got. Not all the news on Skirving is bad, however - the article also mentions that State College's pitching coach Mike Steele is an acquaintance of Skirving's who went to the same high school as Skirving, giving the team a possible hook in negotiations.
#31: James Townsend, RHP
Jay Flynt, Townsend’s coach for all four years at SCA, said Wednesday that his former star pupil faces a “tough, tough” call.
“I talked to him and his dad Wednesday and I think we both just told him he had to do what was best for Jason and nobody else,” Flynt said. “He knows if he goes back to Alabama he could be their No. 1 or No. 2 starter next season, but he’s also dreamt of being a professional baseball player for most of his life.”
Townsend, a right-hander who is normally the first pitcher out of the bullpen for Alabama’s Super Regional team, is 2-1 this season with a 6.25 ERA and 36 strikeouts in 36 innings.
“Right now, he’s concentrating on Clemson and nothing else,” Flynt said. “He’s going to take two or three days to figure it out after that.” - Danny Aller, The Albany Herald
#44: Cory McGinnis, RHP
He has two years of college eligibility remaining and has scholarship offers from Alabama and Mississippi State. Pitching in the Southeastern Conference would be a "once-in-a-lifetime chance," he said.
"It will depend on the (Pirates') offer," McGinnis said. "They need to see what happens with their first 20 picks to see what kind of money they have left to work with me. I might be asking for a little more than most people in the 44th round." - Chris Harlan, The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
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By far, the one I’m most interested in is Stetson Allie. Vlad (or anybody), do you think he goes to college? He could be a top five pick in a few years if he does.
I didn't put Allie on the list...
…because he’s kind of been talked to death, and his situation isn’t too complicated. His asking price is $3M, he has a credible commitment to use as leverage, and he turned down at least one $2M offer from another team on draft night. It is what it is. Either he’ll get his money, or he won’t.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2010 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Allie would be a moron to go to college if the Pirates offer him a $2 – $3 million deal. He’s the exact kind of guy that SHOULD go pro, given his profile. Yes, he’s got super talent, but from what I’ve read, he’s really only been throwing strikes for this most recent season, and his secondary pitches are still developing. Huge upside, but also a pretty realistic chance to burn out in college and end up worse off that he is right now. Why risk the potential of going to college and never developing that stuff when you can get a top 15 pick signing bonus and start playing pro ball right away.
For a guy like this, I see too much risk in going to college to pass up a big bonus.
Makes sense to me
Not sure if it’ll make sense to his overbearing dad. But you are absolutely right.
Painstakingly collected with mad Google skillz.
by Vlad on Jun 11, 2010 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Painstakingly collected with mad Google skillz
so thats why we keep you around
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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 12, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Dr. House makes Vlad calls
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Excellent work
I had to laugh a bit at the claims from Kubitza…$2 mil? Wow.
Everyone else, even those in the questionable category, sounded reasonable.
$1 million
That sounds about right. But if he’s waiting for a $2 million offer, he should pack his bags for college. It’s not coming.
Article about Kime being drafted...
At the end it basically says if he recieves a satisfactory offer he will sign.
Link
I know it’s a generic statement but I guess it means he is at least open to signing.
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Great stuff Vlad
Hope that Kubitza enjoys his time at Rice over the next few years.
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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Jun 11, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Awesome pots Vlad and thanks for the research..
We need to bookmark this post and come back to it after a players start to sign.
Great stuff, Vlad
If it was simply a matter of $7 million for Taillon and $3 million for Allie, this might be doable with what sounds like a generous budget. The problem is that the Hendricks Bros. will almost certainly demand a major league contract. If they don’t back off of that, you’re left with some tough choices. You also have options. You can sign Allie for $3 million and a bunch of others and then get the first or second pick in the first round plus a compensation pick for Taillon. Not the best case scenario, and also not likely. I doubt they had any illusions about what it would cost and that there would be major league money involved. Thales fact that Allie was still around and that they chose him is all to the good.
by RichieHebner on Jun 11, 2010 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Major league contract
His agents have to realize the trouble that causes a team. It’s not like he’s Pedro, a college player.
I suspect that the MLB contract is negotiable. I’d be trying to get more money, other perks.
That wouldn’t be something I really wanted. It would just be something I used as a negotiating chip.
ML contract
I would say that it is not as unreasonable as it sounds for Taillon…he is supposedly pretty polished and a ML contract gives him (I believe) 5 years before you run out of options. If he isn’t in the rotation by 2015, something has gone wrong. However, I would say that if he expects a ML contract (ala Porcello) it has to come with a reduced bonus due to the risk.
Allie is a totally different story…not nearly as polished as Taillon. If he also demands a ML contract, you let him walk.
MLB contract
The problem is locking up a spot on the 40-man for four or five years. That’s really tough for a team.
I’m not sure it’s unreasonable. I just think it means more for college players who will be up soon.
I think for highly drafted HS guys, you ask for it and then trade it off for a higher bonus.
how does the status of nebraska’s baseball program change with the move to the big ten? if brandon pierce (#26) has a commitment to them, but the conference change hurts the program’s visibility, then maybe he’s somewhat more likely to sign?
(I don’t know much at all about college baseball, but I suspect that the colder spring weather in the big ten towns would be less conducive to baseball than the more southerly big 12 schools…)
by Captain Easychord on Jun 12, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
He'll have one more season
in the Big 12 if he goes to Nebraska. They don’t join the Big Ten until the 2011 season (2012 for baseball).
How many picks have we already signed?
Apparently, the Oakland A’s have already signed 17 of their picks, I figured we’d at least, you know, have one guy signed by now. Did we really pick no guys who signed right off the bat, (no pun intended)?
It’s usually just the ones who are going to be org. players who sign this quickly. Oakland must have drafted a horde of college seniors.
Actually, they signed their 6th, 9th, 11th, and 12th picks, none of which you would expect a team to draft with the expectation of being organizational players. Anyways, I left some of my thoughts on signing players quickly in the comments and have some news on other teams signings on a fanpost
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2010/6/12/1514576/on-signing-draftees
If you read the post...
…you’ll see that we allegedly had an agreement in principle with at least one guy at the time I put the post up on the site.
by Vlad on Jun 12, 2010 7:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I love Kevin Decker's attitude...
Great read Vlad — press on.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
As usual, Vlad, yeoman’s work (and mad Google skillz!) – it is much appreciated.
I think we’ll sign a little over 50% of the draftees this year.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Nice work Vlad!
Thanks for all the great info, you might be able to market those mad google skillz.
college world series
some of the draft choices are playing this weekend.
taillion or allie
Allie better sign fast or he will have to wait to see if taillion signs. There will be no ML contracts ,this is not what the bucs do. If they sign allie for let say 2.5 million they will low ball taillion and see how much he really wants to go to rice. My prediction ,the pirates don’t sign taillion and he play jc ball next spring.
I don't even know how to respond to this...
They drafted Taillon with the #2 pick because they want to sign him. They darfed Allie with their 2nd round pick because they want to sign him. There are no conspiracy theories here. They lucked out and had a pitcher projected to go in the top 10 fall to them in the 2nd round and they took him. I hope to God your predictions are wrong because I would much rather have Taillon than Allie and I would much rather have both than one of them. I can’t tell if you are trying to be realistic or pessimistic but man if Taillon doesn’t sign and goes to Juco I personally will be leading the fire NH parade. I don’t think there is a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening so right now I read your post and wonder what team do you really root for?
I think that signing Taillon will be a much better bet than signing Allie. We drafted Taillon 2nd overall, meaning we definitely knew what we were getting into when we picked him. With Allie, we scrambled trying to find out what was wrong that made him fall so far and picked him up it seems more hastily. If I were a betting man and I had to pick a combination, I’d say we sign both, but I think the odds of signing Taillon and not Allie are much greater than the odds of signing Allie and not Taillon. I personally think pick #3 in next years draft has the potential to be epic considering what I’ve been hearing, so I WOULDN’T be on the fire NH bandwagon if we don’t sign Taillon, but I really do think we’ll sign him.
rice
locks tallion up for 3 years, thats a long time for a pitcher.
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