All Rays fans are sabermetricians, and all sabermetricians are Rays fans, but (obviously) Pirates fans are not sabermetricians.

Don’t know how much this has already been discussed, but for those here that don’t reside locally, this team is getting beat up by the media here more than I can ever remember. After “Extension-Gate”, I’m to the point where I have to turn off the radio.

Fool?

If he thinks the talent level at short season A and AA is a lot better now than a couple years ago, he should be talking more about what NH/FC are doing to rebuild the organization properly through the draft and international signings.

It may take a few more years, but at some point it will make a big difference in Pittsburgh too.

The lack of fundamentals the Pirates show at times and the inability to adjust. What I mean by that is that almost no one seems to adjust their approach throughout the game. Maybe I am being overly critical. Let’s use Duke as an example. He usually pitches well for 3-4 innings but after that he gives up 5 runs or the batters not adjusting to a different pattern of pitches in their 3rd ab. It seems they are always sitting on a fastball and miss the curve or change.

Other than that I understand they are young and they will do better. I love the way Hungtington approaches his job and think the Bucs should keep him around for 3-4 more years to see his plan through. I think the 2011 Pirates will break through and show us something special.

because i knew there’d be growing pains. someone can correct me if i’m wrong but hasn’t it taken pedro at least a month to adjust to each level? on top of that isn’t steve pearce batting right around 280? so when he comes back that should move jones into right, and him at 1b and then lastings being on the bench, which his numbers are good for a bench man. top off all of that with young arms, which almost always hit streaks, and a few middle of the rotation type guys in the minors… this year should be all about growing pains, and letting players get on track. i get excited each time walker gets a hit, or tabata gets on base, or someone says cutch… because i know that this time next year those guys will be better. also we have some guys we can trade to build more depth, without compromising our future. guys like doumit, and dotel… no this isn’t our year to win the world series, no we probably won’t hit .500; however this is the year we get to see good players, at a young age show us our future… this is the year that while our president was unable to deliver hope, our buccos can give us hope for the future, and for a return to winning. Let’s go Bucs!

is bad.. The 1952 Pirates were bad to the tune of 112 loses in a 154 game season. But they had goodies on the team. The 1960 team was a grown up version of what came after and they were a great team. However, my favorite team is the 1952 Pirates. I listened to every game they played and throught they would win them all. Good times are coming!!!!

You should go back to 1985 again. Although 1952 was before my time, even players who were there admitted that the 1985 experience was far worse because of the surrounding atmospherics. There was some bad juju around that team, and it was a horrible time for Pirate baseball in a way that exceeds in almost every dimension both 1952 and this year. There is a hell lot more to be excited about now than in 1985. Syd thrift deserves a medal for making them a respectable team in two or three years.

The system will benefit greatly from an extra draft until his control.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Apologizing for the team always looks absurd before they start to turn it around, but the signs are always there in retrospect.

I think we’re further away from success than the Rays were in ‘07, to be sure, but this is how it’s done, people.

I suppose it’s one thing to recognize (and even say) that it takes a few years to turn an organization around, but quite another thing to sit and wait for it to happen.