Brock Holt Out For Season
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 22, 2010 9:30 PM EDT
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PrintRob Biertempfel recently reported that Class A+ shortstop Brock Holt wouldn't need surgery for his MCL, but it looks like he'll need it for a torn meniscus, and he's now out for the year. Holt is the latest Pirates prospect to go missing, following Brett Lorin, Victor Black, Quinton Miller, Colton Cain, Starling Marte, and probably others I can't remember off the top of my head. Adding to that, the P-G reports that Hunter Strickland has been shut down as well, with elbow trouble. As nice as it is that Neal Huntington and company are filling up the minor leagues with talent, it would be great if that talent could stay on the field.
Neal Cotts and Tyler Yates are out also for the season, according to the P-G.
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What's the deal with Trent Stevenson?
seemed like he got more work in the GCL last year than the other guys, but he is nowhere to be found in the box scores this year?
by reverse apache master on Jun 22, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
It's time to replace Tony Beasely at 3B coach......
Too many instances where he has “just screwed up” to use his words. I cannot remember ever witnessing a worse 3B coach than Beasely. And, it goes both ways – sometimes he should be sent, and other times, much more frequently, Beasely gives the wave around when he clearly should not.
Obviously, he isn’t our biggest problem…..but that doesn’t mean he should continue in that role. He just has no feel for his runners ability, and, loses focus on the game situation. I mean, seriously, down 2 runs, 1 out, with our catcher trying to score on a 2B to LEFT field….? That is unacceptable…..
C-Death
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 23, 2010 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
This.
One thing my dad taught me when I played second base in Little League was to think through the possibilities before each pitch. If the ball is hit to you, what are you going to do with it? Where’s the throw going to go? How is it possible a guy who gets paid well to think through all these things, to know who the runner is, to know the outfielders’ arms etc., is so awful at it?
Exactly
That’s what I tell my son as well. Now he doesn’t always do it.
But it’s amazing how many people don’t do that.
I agree. Baseball fundamentals are not quantum physics. Essentially, they are the things you are taught in Little League. I don’t understand, for example, how any MLB player doesn’t know how to bunt.
Thinking ahead
They noted on the radio that Walker’s nice play the other day (when he grabbed the ball and ran over to 1B himself) was (most likely) a result of a guy who had gamed out the play in advance – it’s not at all a normal thing to happen, but it was exactly the right play for the circumstance, and he did it without hesitation.
All the more impressive for a guy with only a couple months at the position.
On 3rd base coaches
My father has only booed one person in the Pirates organization ever for his performance, and it was the buccos 3rd base coach. That 3rd base coach was, wait for it….
John Russell
A guy who didn’t boo Bobby Hill, Pat Meares, or John Van Benschoten booed a 3rd base coach for the Pirates. That guy now happens to be the team manager. I’m not sure if his performance was better or worse than Tony Beasely’s, but if my father’s strong opinion was right, then the Dilbert Principle is at work in the Pirates organization for managers at least, if not for players.
Was that when
the 3rd base coach sent Jack Wilson with 2 outs, down by 2 in the bottom of the 9th? I think that was Russell and it was my first thought when he had been hired.
Snakebit
No other way to describe it. The Pirates are on the wrong side of the random outcomes mean right now. They were relatively injury-free last year (in the minors) but are more than making up for it now. Hopefully, they can get some of these guys back by the end of July (would really like to see Cain, Miller, Marte, and Sanchez back before the end of the year).
I know some believe “you make your own luck” but geez…the Bucs MUST catch a break or two at some point, right?
We got a huge break this year...
almost everyone had given up on Neil Walker being anything more than a utility player (check out where he ranked in preseason prospect rankings) and now he is looking like a long-term fixture at 2nd.
Except
that he was a, what, first-round draft pick? So he’s finally living up to expectations after looking like a bust. Kind of hard to come out of nowhere when you’re a first-rounder, isn’t it? I don’t think of that as a break as much as Walker finally doing what he was SUPPOSED to do.
Have you ever looked...
…at the expected return on even fairly high first-round picks like Walker?
He was the #11 overall pick in his year. The #11 overall picks from the five drafts before his: Mike Aubrey, Jeremy Hermida, Kenny Baugh, Dave Krynzel, and Ryan Christianson. One fourth outfielder, two injury-related busts, and two talent-related busts.
If you thought that Walker was “SUPPOSED” to be a long-term fixture, purely by virtue of his draft position, then might I suggest that your initial expectations were too high?
The NY Daily News
Says the best #11 overall pick of ALL-TIME was Greg Luzinski, not exactly a huge name. For some reason, pick #11 hasn’t had the huge name player picked there yet.
Though I remember
Luzinski striking fear in Pirates fans hearts back in the 70’s.
Another "positive break"
Morris has caught fire, even if he’s cooling off a bit in AA. The same could be said of guys like Marte and Owens, who were helium guys last year. It’s attrition and progress, some players will fall off, some will appear out of nowhere.
Eventually, it all seems to regress back to the mean. I’m sure we could find plenty of farm systems with just as many injury problems as us, or worse. Plus you could easily add in the Major Leagues. The Mets have been plagued for years it seems, Kendry Morales’s freak injury. It’s not biggie, that’s why its good to be much deeper than in years past.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 23, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yer G.D. right about that!
That Phils’ lineup was FIERCE.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jun 23, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
On the brightside too, we now have more injured prospects with upside than we had prospects with upside period in 2007.
Actually, if you look at our top 10 prospects in 2007, and our injured prospects now, which looks better?
2007 Per BA
1. Andrew McCutchen, of
2. Neil Walker, c
3. Brad Lincoln, rhp
4. Yoslan Herrera, rhp
5. Josh Sharpless, rhp
6. Steven Pearce, 1b
7. Brian Bixler, ss
8. Brad Corley, of
9. Todd Redmond, rhp
10. Mike Felix, lhp
2010 injured (in no particular order)
1. Sanchez
2. Marte
3. Miller
4. Black
5. Holt
6. Cain
7. Lorin (well he doesn’t count anymore since he’s back I guess)
8. Stevenson (apparently)
Any others I’m forgetting
Which would you rather have? The 2007 is more top-heavy, but God after the first 3 there’s a biiiiiiiiig drop
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