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The A's swept the Pirates today to hand the Bucs their sixth straight loss and their 18th in the past 20 games. I could go on and on about the season, but what's the point? It is what it is. Now, most if not all of us didn't expect a winning team to be put on the field this year. We knew what was coming. However, I think we all expected a team that could at least be competitive just about every night. The play of the team has slowly gotten worse and worse over the course of the season, and I think it came to ahead this weekend with a 4-error game on Sunday in which three unearned runs -- all the runs the A's scored to get the win -- came across the plate for Oakland. In other words, none of the runs that were scored were a result of Oakland's hitters doing the work necessary to get the runs across. The team's record sits at an abysmal 25-50 and is well on its way to challenging the Orioles for the League's Worst Team award (personally, I think the O's and the Buccos should get together and play the Worst Series). It's about that time where a change has to be made near the top.

Whether it's fair or not, somebody has to get the ax for a team that is losing this badly and in this manner. And if the losses aren't enough evidence for you, here are how the Pirates stack up against the rest of the competition statistically: Pirates -- 29th in team batting average (.238), last in team ERA (5.38) and 27th in team fielding percentage (.979). This team is stinking up the joint all the way around. You could pick anybody to go, or heck, fire the entire staff. But when a team is losing like this, Neal Huntington has no choice but to start handing out a pink slip or two...or three...or four. I wouldn't be upset about any of the staff being fired, but my first -- and obvious -- choice is John Russell. I've said time and time again that managing in baseball in overrated and you have to have talent to win, which is true. Russell is working w/ a MLB team that is hovering on the line of being a Triple-A team. Ever since Bay, Nady, McLouth (to a certain extent),Wilson and Sanchez were dealt, he's been dealing with a bare cupboard. However, having said that, some of the decisions that he's made through his tenure as the Pirates manager have nothing to do with talent. It has become increasingly obvious that the guy doesn't have the mental capacity to manage a Double-A team, much less a MLB team. There is a laundry list of things he has done that make no sense whatsoever -- leaving a pitcher in to hit only to have him face ONE batter the next inning regardless of whether the pitcher gets the hitter out or not, benching players when they start to actually get hot or show some improvement, playing RYAN DOUMIT! at 1B during interleague play when you have the option of putting him at DH, putting guys like Lastings Millege, Bobby Crosby and Andy LaRoche, guys that have no power whatsoever, in the 3 hole of the lineup, and it goes on and on -- and he has easily cost us more than a handful games that we might have won had he just had some common sense. I don't know if we would have ultimately won those games, but the baffling, head-scratching decisions he made put the game out of reach for sure. Granted, with this team, 6 or 7 more wins doesn't mean anything, but that's not the point. As a manager, you're supposed to make out a lineup and make the best decisions that give your team -- no matter how talent-stricken it may be -- the best possible chance to win on a nightly basis. JR is incompetent when it comes to this, and how Huntington and Coonelly view this guy as the man to lead the next winning team is beyond me. The amount of losing the team has suffered and the additional losing that is guaranteed to come will surely change how NH and FC perceive him, I hope.

In addition to Russell, Joe Kerrigan and Don Long have to be held accountable, also. Once again, these coaches have little to work with. Kerrigan can't go out there and throw the pitches, and Long can't go out there and swing the bats. But these guys have titles in front of their names, and when the group that they're "coaching" isn't producing, they are the scapegoats. This pitching staff has been the worst in baseball for the past two seasons and our hitting...well, we haven't hit a whole lot of anything since the Big 3 (Nady, Bay, McLouth) and Freddy Sanchez were shipped out. And what can you say about 3B coach Tony Beasley? The guy has been awful, abysmal, horrible, insert whatever word you want. I've lost count of how many potential runs he has cost us and how many baserunning blunders he has caused. It really is ridiculous. Something has to be done, and hopefully NH and FC can see this (since they're running the team after all) and make the necessary change(s). To make no changes is to tell the fanbase you really don't care and winning isn't important.

Hey there's a guy named Fredi Gonzalez out there. He's available. Just sayin'.

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The only thing

I have against JR is that he stays too calm. Thats a great characteristic to have but every once in awhile you have to challenge your players, go out there, get in there face, tell them to get better or they are riding the pine. call them out on bad play, do something to make them seem accountable for there mistakes, instead of acting like they are doing nothing wrong in every post game interview.

on Long and Kerrigan, i would fire them both. yeah they dont have much to work with but both the pitching and hitting is horrible, players approaches at the plate are horrible, some pitchers location and pitch selection/location if bad. this far into the season it has to start falling on the coaches for not getting on the players enough in practice and in games to make them accountable for being so bad. you cant fire the entire roster, but you can fire the coaches.

get us some guys that coach with a passion to win, i like the managers that go out there and defend there players and get in their faces when they make a bonehead play. young guys, they need that kind of disipline, JR doesnt give them that.

by C Shint on Jun 27, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

So much to chew on

First off, I hope the Pirates are the worst team. I hope they get the first pick in next year’s draft, which will be Anthony Rendon. Stop pissing around and being second- or third-worst; being worst two years ago would have meant Strasburg and Harper this year. Time for a stud, a can’t-miss prospect who will be in Pittsburgh within 12 months and contributing alongside Tabata, Walker, Alvarez and McCutchen.

You ask how Coonelly and Huntington see Russell as the man to lead the next winning team. Thing is, they don’t. Russell was never viewed as the long-term answer, just the placeholder until FC and NH had a chance to implement their plan and get enough pieces into the majors to get a real manager. No sense in using up someone halfway decent when you can run the inept sucktitude that is JR out there for three or four years; plus, they probably like having Mrs. JR around at team functions, because she is some serious eyecandy.

You also mention putting guys with power in the 3-hole. Typically, you would want a guy with significant contact skills and good gap power in that spot. I’m not arguing with you that the guys that JR has plugged in there haven’t been miscast, but I’m not of the mind to place power there. IMHO, McCutchen is the perfect three-hole hitter on this team; it just blows that he’s got Jones and a whole lot of nothing after him in the lineup.

As for Long and Kerrigan, in one breath you write that they need to be held accountable, but in the next, you write that they don’t have much to work with. If they don’t have the right players, then what is changing the coaches going to accomplish other than showing the fans that they mean business and accountability is for real with the Pirates? Who is going to come in and make a difference with the dross that currently litters our roster? Changes for the sake of changes are pointless because the results are going to be the same; you yourself wrote that Kerrigan isn’t throwing the pitches and Long isn’t swinging the bats, so without new players to do those activities, why would you expect new results?

Lastly, Fredi Gonzalez is not coming to Pittsburgh regardless of what they offer him. As soon as Bobby Cox has his last day in Atlanta, Gonzalez will be named the next manager of the Braves shortly thereafter; you can take that to Vegas and make book on it.

by Bishop1973 on Jun 27, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably right about Gonzalez...

I actually know a lot of Braves down here in Alabama and one of them told me that Gonzalez actually got fired b/c the owner and GM found out that Gonzalez had been talking to the Braves. Don’t know how much of that is true, but I don’t doubt it.

But this…

You also mention putting guys with power in the 3-hole. Typically, you would want a guy with significant contact skills and good gap power in that spot. I’m not arguing with you that the guys that JR has plugged in there haven’t been miscast, but I’m not of the mind to place power there.

I completey disagree. What are you talking about? The 3 and 4-hole hitters are supposed to be your run producers and power suppliers. Contact skills? If that were the case, Pujols would hit leadoff for the Cardinals.

by mspirate on Jun 27, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we finish with the worst record in baseball after we’ve called up Andrew McCutchen, Pedro Alvarez, Jose Tabata, Brad Lincoln and Neil Walker, we’re in a lot more trouble than one draft pick can fix. Be careful what you wish for.

www.stealingfirstbase.com

by Nate Rose on Jun 27, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

it takes time

not every player is playing at their potential at the time they are called up. that is why they are called rookies, and that is why they have not reached their “prime years” yet.

by C Shint on Jun 27, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

That said, you want to see at least SOME kind of a spark from them, even if they are rookies. I’m not expecting them all to have the type of season McCutchen had, but solid production would be nice.

www.stealingfirstbase.com

by Nate Rose on Jun 27, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

mccutchen, jones and walker have looked great IMO, even tabata has looked great at the plate, he has great ABs but the ball isnt just falling in there for him. The only guy i think underperforming is Alvarez, but he takes time to adjust as weve seen from every level of the minors he’s been at. I give him until ASB to get his act together. If he doesnt start coming around after that, then maybe and just maybe it was a premature callup at the least and he needs more time to get everything together in AAA

by C Shint on Jun 27, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The spark

Tabata, Cutch, Jones, Alvarez, and Walker can each hit 2 HRs in a game, and the pitchers could still blow a 12 run lead.

Actually, that’s what I’m rooting for from here on out.

by H2O on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's awful

I get tired of our “fans” rooting for us to lose.

by mspirate on Jun 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Jun 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

naybe they;re trying a reverse jinx

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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look there is going to be alot of doomsaying due to how bad we are

I don’t think anyone truly wants us to lose but the side benefit of getting the #1 pick overall is not lost on us though.

I think its hard to have any sense of hope watching this team this year. Its not like we have a breakout rookie, pitcher and even McCutchen is having issues fielding and his average has dipped some.

Alot of these comments are dark humor and I wouldn’t get my panties in a wad over someone stating sometimes the obvious.

Our team is dreadful and everyone who cares enough to blog about a team this bad gets alot of free reign in my book.

by eyeofhorus777 on Jun 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No harm in waiting until the end of the season

I was shocked and disappointed that JR was given an extension. I didn’t think he had done anything to deserve it, even after last season. This year has been the most trying. Whether it’s JR making the “shinanigan-like” calls or NH through JR. It’s left me very confused. It seems like some of the lineups that have been made were the kind you’d see in ST, not the regular season. It’s as if JR is trying to figure out how to be an effective MLB manager. At this level it’s OK to tinker, but not through an entire season. He just doesn’t know how it’s being received by the players. I’ll tell you – just like with the fans, they are confused, and it shows.

Having said all of that, I think Kerrigan has done a decent job at helping a number of AAA pitchers convert to the pace and demand of the MLB, and Long has done pretty well too, to improve some players overall stats. At the same time we can’t help but wonder what’s happened to LaRoche and Milledge this season, but perhaps Long’s not to blame for them. Meanwhile the lineup that left ST has changed dramatically since then, and I don’t think you can blame long for Aki and Clement having such bad starts.

This team is fine with it’s current staff, but IMO for the Bucs to improve to a .500 team or better, they’ll need some stronger, more demanding management. Which means they’ll need to say goodbye to Russell, and hello to the new skipper. It’s my hope that this all occurs in the offseason.

by Pensburgh Pirates on Jun 27, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Fredi Gonzalez is available

and he would make sure everyone gave full effort. I bet we at least interview Gonzalez (if we fire Russell, that is.)

Other than Fredi and Valentine, who’s out there?

by H2O on Jun 27, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams that have good pitching coaches compete

year after year; Braves and Orioles have for years. And yes, Russell has made decisions a high school coach could make better. There are good coaches and managers out there. I’m not saying we should win this year but we are GIVING games away. Pitching, fielding, and hitting fundamental are bad. Who is at fault? Find out and CHANGE.

Tom Specht

by weltytowngang on Jun 27, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

well

the orioles now have the braves old pitching coach, leo mazzone, that counts for something

by C Shint on Jun 27, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The O’s got rid of Mazzone a long time ago. Unless they just recently rehired him and I missed it.

Also, no offense to the great history of the organization but what potentially good manager would want to manage the Pirates as they currently exist? You’d have to find an unproven commodity because it’s not like Torre would come in and Fredi is waiting for his dream job with the Braves.

"Give him the heater Ricky."

by Pavy848 on Jun 27, 2010 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Orioles? Really?

When is the last time the Orioles have competed, let alone consistently? They’ve got their own streak of futility going with 13 straight losing seasons.

www.stealingfirstbase.com

by Nate Rose on Jun 27, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

it was when David Wells and Mussina were the co-aces of the team

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by WVPiratesfan on Jun 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't that long ago...

It was when Mussina and Jimmy Key were the co-aces.

by uneasy rider on Jun 29, 2010 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the bucs switched divisions with them (Balt)

  Balt would be playing 400 ball in NL central and the bucs would be UNDER 200 IMHO. Balt would beat the bucs 8 out of 10 consistantly.

by Dan Jenkins on Jun 28, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree that the O's would kill us

They have a much better lineup and even if their pitching is pretty suspect they at least have some starters capable of going 6 without giving up 5 or more runs.

Also I think the O’s have alot more young talent up on their team right now than we do. I know Wieters has struggled but he has hit the ball better of late. I think they are like the Pirates and will start to show steady improvement as the season goes on.

Problem is we don’t have nearly enough young talent to evercome our terrible SP.

by eyeofhorus777 on Jun 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

How bad is it??

Pirates are playing at a .273 pace against any team without the nickname Cubs. Over 147 games (all the games against other teams)…that’s 40 wins. We’ve beat the Cubs 7 times…that makes 47. All 6 remaining games against the Cubs are on the road. We are 9-31 on the road…a .225 pace. So past performance says we will be lucky to win 2 of those 6 games. That makes 49 wins. Benefit of the doubt…we split the 6 remaining in Chicago. That means a 50-112 record.

by Thunder on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Say hello to the 1952 team of 42 wins!!!!!!!

100 loses was scoffed at by almost everyone here, including me, coming into this season. I am just hoping we don’t set some sort of record.

by eyeofhorus777 on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's the record since July 31?

18-41 last year, 25-50 this year. That’s 43-91 with a month left. Damn. We still aren’t THAT bad.

by H2O on Jun 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they only played 154 games that season so prorated that would mean

we would have to win like 44 games to have similar W/L percentage. Not likely but if we trade off one or two starters it could become chaos.

by eyeofhorus777 on Jun 28, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regression

When a team regresses there has to be a reason for it, this team is nowhere near as good right now as it was in the beginning of the year even though it has better players playing.
The underachieving is monumental on this team, there has to be a reason for it.

by leadoff on Jun 28, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think that

I think our SP has been god awful and we make too many errors and bad plays that loses us games.

We don’t have any power and don’t seem fundamentally sound enough to manufacture runs.

We have committed to the youth movement with Pedro, Jose, Walker and Lincoln and we have to hope they can help turn it around.

A manager just puts them out there and they have to be the ones to play. His lineups are suspect sometime but us complaining about Church playing is one thing, its Church’s fault he sucks so much not JR’s.

I am not sure he isn’t being told who starts every game personally.

by eyeofhorus777 on Jun 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evidently,

they got a “stern lecture” from JR after the game yesterday, according to Finder.

by Thunder on Jun 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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