Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Now They've Screwed Spurs, UEFA Willing To Review Rule

Your Wish is Jay Cipriano's Command!

Back in February, Charlie wrote a piece concerning an column by Jay Cipriano of the Centre Times Daily, in which Cirpiano harped on former Pirates that "could have" been still playing in Pittsburgh.  You know the drill: McLouth, Bay, and Sanchez could've played with McCutchen, Alvarez, and Lincoln.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Charlie commented on this sort of logic:

 

Well heck, if this is the game we're going to play, then forget McLouth--the Pirates could have started 2010 with an outfield of Bay, McCutchen and Barry Bonds, who had about as good a chance of sticking with the Pirates until now as Bay did. I bet Bonds could still hit some homers!

Well guess what, Charlie? Today's your lucky day! I give you today's column by Cipriano:

Yup, it's a 25-man roster consisting entirely of former Pirates.  You have the usual suspects, like Bay, Freddy, Aramis (McLouth is omitted this time, for some strange reason), and of course the new breed of Former Pirate Superstars like Joey Bats and Matt Capps.  Cipriano alleges:

 

This team could be better than the current real Pirates, Cubs, Milwaukee Brewers and Houston Astros. With big second halves from Ramirez, Wilson and Sanchez, and a move for a high-end starter, it possess the bullpen, infield and outfield depth to compete with the Reds and Cardinals.

Now, when looking at the roster, the offense would undoubtedly be better, with guys like Bay, Jose Guillen (who would oddly be platooning in Cipriano's world), etc.  And the bullpen would be solid.  But that rotation is pretty putrid, and there is only one catcher on the roster.  Also, the catcher is Jason Kendall.  So while this team would likely be better than the current Pirates, they'd be hard pressed to compete with the Reds or Cards.  This is maybe a .500 team in my eyes.  If someone wants to do an analysis looking at WAR, be my guest.  (I'm looking in the general direction of the Lone Star State.)

So, I was curious as to how much this team would cost, and went to Cot's Contracts to look up the salaries of each player, and see what kind of payroll this club would have.  The total payroll?  $127,416,500.

Spelled out, that's one hundred twenty-seven million, four hundred sixteen thousand, five hundred dollars.

In Spanish, that's cientos veintisiete millones, cuatrocientos dieciséis miles, quinientos dólares.

So for $127M, you have a rotation of Arroyo, Wakefield, Gorzo, Jeremy Guthrie, and Oliver Perez.  And they're pitching to Jason Kendall.  But remember, they could compete with a move for a high-end starter!  Too bad the Mariners already dealt Cliff Lee, otherwise the Bucs could move a couple of players from their non-existent farm system to get him!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

Comment 22 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Haha . . .

I was a journalsim major in Undergrad, and when I realized logic and analytical ability were frowned on in the industry, I got out. Stuff like this is exhibit A.

by Scranton on Jul 16, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

The CDT is my default hometown newspaper...

and I had a couple of minutes to kill at the end of my lunch break, so I sort of scanned this story. I was hoping the local guys could focus on the team about 2 miles from the newsroom a little more and the one on the other side of the state a little less, but I guess not. Forget that the Spikes have looked like the Lumber Company lately when pitching was supposed to be their strength this season – a bunch of former Pirates have been all-stars. If it makes you feel any better, the CDT is equally as lame in their news reporting.

by Teek82 on Jul 16, 2010 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Guthrie isn’t even a former Pirate. He’s a former Pirate draftee.

This is one of the dumbest baseball articles in history. If you do a six-degrees-of-separation all-star team for any other team in baseball, it’s going to be at least this good, probably a lot better.

by WTM on Jul 16, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

That would be a good challenge

Which (if any) teams have given up even less talented players? My immediate guess would be the Yankees, because it’s been awhile since they’ve sent away truly talented players (either in short-term trades or FA losses), but I’m sure there’s a couple gems in there (like Ohlie and Tabata!).

Other than Beltran, has anyone talented passed through KC over the years? They strike me as a comparably futile club, rarely having even moderately talented guys, but I bet I’m missing some people (including Guillen, I suppose).

by JRoth95 on Jul 16, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greinke’s a pretty good pitcher, though perhaps not the stud he was made out to be last year. DeJesus and Butler is solid. Raul Ibanez made a sortie there, and Joe Randa and Mark Grudzielanek had some pretty decent seasons there. Beyond that, though, there’s not much that I can think of.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on Jul 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeJesus and Butler are solid, that is.

Yeesh.

Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

by wg1of5 on Jul 16, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Jermaine Dye was pretty decent. I could see why you’d disagree with me, but not someone you would have been against having on your team at some point in his career. Same thing with Mike Sweeney.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 16, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlos Beltran

Made is debut with the Royals in 1998

The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.

by glass0941 on Jul 17, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you! I was trying to remember who was in the Royals outfield back in the day. Beltran, Damon, and Dye.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 17, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said last time...

Guy Cipriano started out writing for my hometown newspaper and was not a very well-respected writer. Any sport he tried, he was overshadowed by someone else, except wrestling…he knew a great deal about high school wrestling. Seeing as how he managed to parlay that experience into a “promotion” to the CDT, it’s not completely inconceivable for him to end up filling in for Ron Cook one day.

Point is, don’t worry about what this guy says unless its something excoriating PSU for hiring Cael Sanderson as their wrestling coach.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 16, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

What’s wrong with hiring Sanderson?

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Jul 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my point. Sanderson is a great hire. If Cipriano was criticizing PSU’s hire of him, that’s a cause for concern. But he writes something like that, take what the guy writes with a grain of salt and don’t read him.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 16, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

this guy

is lucky i have to register to comment. i love nothing more than tearing these articles to shreds on the comment boards. people who understand nothing need to learn to do some research before they write up pieces like that.

while were at it lets try and get pujols, strasburg, and heyward too. its highly plausible if we had only kept all those great players weve traded away over the years (sarcasim)

by C Shint on Jul 16, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Hilarious and well done. Thank you.

by Suffering Buc on Jul 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Rajai Davis will lead off, followed by Sanchez, Ramirez, Bay, Guillen, LaRoche, Kendall and Wilson.

5 of these players have been unproductive, and the other three have been mediocre.

by Adam Reynolds on Jul 16, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

2010 current WAR:

Arroyo: 1.1
Gorzelanny: 1.8
Wakefield: 0.8
Guthrie: 0.6 (even though they never signed him in the first palce)
Perez: -0.5

Capps: 0.5
Nunez: 1.3
Burnett: 0.6
Marte: -0.2
Grabow: -0.3
Belisario: 0.3
Suppan: -0.3

Sanchez: 1.0
Wilson: -0.2
Ramirez: -0.2
LaRoche: 0.5
Kendall: 0.5
Keppinger: 0.7
Lillibridge: 0.4

Bay: 1.5
Bautista: 2.3
Guillen: 1.3
Davis: 0.3
Morgan: 0.0

Total: 13.8

Generous Full Year Extrapolation: 27.6

That’s what, 70-some wins? I forget what it goes off of there you go. If I made any mistakes it was because I did this very quickly.

by Schide on Jul 16, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Joey Bats isn't going to have WAR of 2.3 in the second half

this first half was a apperition

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today." Lou Holtz
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on Jul 16, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has same-handed hitters Jose Guillen and Bautista in a “platoon”, so their values would be cut in half.

by Adam Reynolds on Jul 16, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Pittsburgh Pirates.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Can we discuss Josh Harrison?
Small
middle of the pack ISO
Insetcommodoreperry_small
Guess the Score Game 45: Cubs @ Pirates
Small
I can't be the only Pirates fan that wants Huntington to trade for Kevin Youklis.
Small
Analyzing why Huntington's drafts have left us weak in hitting.
Insetcommodoreperry_small
Guess the Score Game 44: Mets @ Pirates
Small
Take a page out of Maddens book.
Small
My thoughts from the Tuesday Night Mets Game
Bloody_mary_small
Bucs / Mets o'flow.
Pirates_small
Cole v. Bauer v. Bundy

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Managers

Charlie_small Charlie Wilmoth

Editors

18470r_small Vlad

Davidtodd_small David Todd

Authors

Img_1692_small WTM

Mark_profile_pic_small MarkInDallas