Paul Maholm Mows Down Astros, But Andrew McCutchen Hurt In 9-0 Blowout
First things first: Andrew McCutchen sustained some sort of injury while making a diving catch late in the game. It looked like he might have hurt his throwing shoulder from the way he rolled, but apparently it's a "sore neck." It didn't look serious at the time (McCutchen clearly knew something was wrong right away, but he didn't appear to be in much pain), so let's hope it stays that way. The last thing this team needs is for McCutchen to be out for an extended period.
UPDATE: Dejan Kovacevic has details on McCutchen's injury, which turns out to be a shoulder strain. It doesn't sound like it will be a problem, although McCutchen might be out a day or two.
Anyway, this was a great game. Paul Maholm didn't rack up a ton of strikeouts and benefited from a number of balls that landed near the line but foul, but he pitched very well, locating his breaking stuff nicely throughout the game and only allowing three hits in a complete-game shutout. And the offense stayed alive after last night's outburst. Garrett Jones finally broke the Bucs' month-plus skid of games without a multi-run homer with a two-run shot in the fifth. And the Pirates had 19 hits overall, with Ronny Cedeno going 4-for-4 and Jose Tabata and Ryan Doumit registering three hits apiece. The Bucs did most of the damage against the Astros' relatively weak middle relief corps after Roy Oswalt left after four with an injury, but nine runs are nine runs.
-P- In case you hadn't heard, Neal Huntington said some more stupid stuff.
"Short-term, really, the only thing that we feel we've missed on is wins and losses at the major-league level. We didn't expect this team to be staring at 90 or 100 losses again. I can also tell you we didn't expect to win 100 games. We set the playoffs as a goal, not as a prediction. Have we lost more games than we expected? Yeah, we have. How do we overcome that? We need to play good, sound, fundamental baseball... Wins and losses are an outcome. How we play the game is the process. And that's our focus, the process, and how we help these guys get better. If we take care of the process, the results will take care of themselves."
The quote about doing everything right except "wins and losses at the major league level" echoes former Rays GM / running joke Chuck LaMar, who said something almost identical right before being fired. I already wrote about that particular point at SB Nation Pittsburgh, so I won't belabor it here, but I will say this. Poker players talk a lot about "process" as the primary means of evaluating their play. In fact, there's a lot of poker literature that warns players against being results-oriented. There are a lot of parallels between poker and running a baseball team. Pocket aces will sometimes get cracked, just as top prospects will sometimes go bust, for example. GMing and poker both involve a balance of skill and chance, and when things don't go your way, you should try to be as objective as possible about why things turned out the way they did and not assume that you did things wrong (or right, for that matter). It generally makes sense for Huntington to think about what he does in terms of process.
The thing is, though, average fans do not care about (and might not even understand) the concept of "process." And when Huntington says things that seem to suggest that the results matter less to him than the process, that just makes people angry. Most people don't him the time or the inclination to confirm for themselves that the "process" is working anyway, and given the way the Pirates have been run for the past 17 years, they're not going to trust anyone from the Bucs' management to tell them. What they care about is wins and losses. So until the Pirates start showing results, Huntington should probably keep the talk about "process" to himself.
-P- In case you haven't heard, the Bucs have suspended minor league reliever Diego Moreno for about a week for "unprofessional conduct."
-P- Altoona played a crazy game last night against Harrisburg, scoring ten runs in the ninth to come from behind to win 18-15. The game featured homers by Matt Hague, Hector Gimenez and Brandon Jones.
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Dejan says:
4:35 p.m.: After further tests, McCutchen has a mild sprain of the acromioclavicular joint — or AC joint — at the top of his right shoulder.
X-rays were taken and showed no fracture.
Some simply refer to an AC injury as a separated shoulder, but this is not that. No one downstairs was making this sound serious at all. In fact, John Russell did not even rule out that McCutchen could play tomorrow night.
McCutchen said he felt the pain “right away” with the catch and said “We’ll see” in regard to his status. He was told to get some rest and a further determination would be made when he arrives at the ballpark tomorrow.
give him a day or two off and he will be fine
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by itkonlyyou19 on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, wish I would have watched this game. Instead I power washed nasty old steps and got covered head to toe in mold.
BTW, Diego Moreno’s name is missing from the post.
the Bucs have suspended minor league reliever for about a week
Just an FYI.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
Alderson...
for Bradenton… 1.2 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 3 BB, 0 K.
Same here. It’s always hard to write off a 21-year-old who was a first-rounder a few years ago, but Alderson has shown absolutely nothing since he came here. He’s got time to turn it around, but he’s going to need to start doing so immediately, and that’s looking a bit unlikely at this point.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
so alderson is 21? If so you can drop the prospect label, but at that age he’s still got a lot of time to work it out.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 18, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t work out not having good enough staff. His 85 mph meatballs aren’t going to get A, AA, AAA, much less MLB hitters out.
by Suffering Buc on Jul 18, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes you can.
If you’re losing velocity due to bad mechanics, and you’re able to get those fixed.
Jamie Moyer does
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 19, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Rojas: 1-4 Tonight
Able to get a hit in his opener. Good to see. Let’s hope for some real production out of this kid.
Neal...
needs a severe case of laryngitis for a while. He keeps sticking his foot in his mouth. He talks about the “process” . Needing “good, sound, fundamental baseball”. Wins and losses are a “result”.
Well, the Pirates have shown NO capability to play good, sound, fundamental baseball on anything approaching a consistent basis. If NH and FC aren’t happy with the result…they better not be happy about how the process is coming on a major league level.
Stupid?
I think it’s a bit much to call what NH said, stupid. Everything he said is pretty spot on, and I believe many here have said as much; it’s really not about wins and losses (no one expected this team to do great things) but making sure the Pirates stick to the plan (draft well, spend internationally, find out what you have in certain players by letting them play instead of wasting PT on aging vets [obviously, the Milledge/Church situation didn’t correspond with this]).
The fact that most casual fans don’t understand this is stupid.
Maybe you should just suggest that NH dumb down his prose.
The funny thing is that Dave Littlefield could spin feces into gold, but the bottom line is I’ll take the guy who knows what he’s doing over the guy who can talk rings, any day.
The problem
at least from my perspective, isn’t what he said, its who said it. For the GM to talk about wins and losses not being the highest priority, but rather good solid fundamental baseball, looks bad from a PR standpoint
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Well exactly
This is a FO-friendly forum*, but we still find plenty to complain about in the process, particularly wrt “good, sound, fundamental baseball.” Does anyone here think that the team’s current record [significantly] underperforms the fundamental play at the major league level? If the record improves in the second half, it will be because of better play, not because bad luck is regressing towards the mean.
- That is, friendly to this FO
This site hasn't been FO friendly the last month or so.....
Every thing the Pirates do is questioned on here, especially their interaction with the media – which this latest instance deals with.
To me, NH has said the truth and it is refreshing. The PBC subscribers and the PGH media are of no concern to me and shouldn’t be to the FO – and I don’t think they are.
Winning is what will satisfy those idiots, not how ‘nice’ NH handles the media. Keep doing the right things (they are) and winning will come. I just hope Nutting doesn’t listen to the Smiziks and the uninformed fans complaints and gets rid of NH.
That would be ‘idiotic’……
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jul 20, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you score 10 runs in the ninth
the other team didn’t have anyone who was capable of getting anyone out
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by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Curry watch
another productive night. 3 for 4…now hitting .424 at SC
awating for management to realize he needs to move up….
He’s been a pro for what, two weeks? I hope he doesn’t go anywhere for at least another three.
by Suffering Buc on Jul 18, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out what the guy did at college
this year he was destroying the ball. clearly he is advanced for the level he is at right now. 2 or 3 weeks extra time in WV wouldnt hurt him at all IMO. Its better than letting him mash at SC for a few extra weeks which proves nothing of him until he starts making his way through A ball and clearly he deserves his shot
Well...
The thing is, though, average fans do not care about (and might not even understand) the concept of “process.” And when Huntington says things that seem to suggest that the results matter less to him than the process, that just makes people angry. Most people don’t him the time or the inclination to confirm for themselves that the “process” is working anyway, and given the way the Pirates have been run for the past 17 years, they’re not going to trust anyone from the Bucs’ management to tell them. What they care about is wins and losses. So until the Pirates start showing results, Huntington should probably keep the talk about “process” to himself.
This would be sound advice which Huntington might wish to consider — sound but for the fact that following it would require Huntington to add more bullshit to the world.
Steve Z
Nah, he’d just have to quit using the word “process” and quit contrasting that concept with the actual results. It would be easy to say (and in fact he does say stuff like this), “Look, I hate the way things are going right now, but we have to build something here, and that happens in fits and starts. It’s a tough situation here right now, but we’re building something lasting.”
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 19, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
So, whats the problem Charlie?
You say he is saying that type of stuff….so where is the problem?
There is no there there….
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jul 20, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What was 'idiotic' about his comments?
They were true? Who cares what the average fan (re: uninformed fan) thinks…..you can’t make your moves or do your business by reacting to some fan that doesn’t understand the game.
He said the truth……
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