Pirates Keep Scoring Millions Of Runs
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 22, 2010 12:22 AM EDT
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PrintAnother fun game tonight, and it's fantastic to have an offense that's downright watchable, at least for the first six batters. Pedro Alvarez had his second straight multi-homer game to bring his rate stats up to .259/.325/.509, and Delwyn Young had a homer and five RBIs. Garrett Jones had two hits and nearly missed a homer of his own. Neil Walker and Lastings Milledge have been hitting well too. And Andrew McCutchen isn't even in the lineup right now. The Bucs have scored 46 runs in their past five games. The success they've had over the past few days is obviously pretty fluky (15-3 games don't grow on trees, even for good teams), but I can't remember the last time I've ever been this excited to watch the Pirates hit.
-P- The Cliffs Notes from the minors: Jeff Locke had a nice start for Altoona. Mel Rojas had two hits and Quinton Miller pitched five strong innings at State College. And Eric Avila went 3-for-5 and Wesley Freeman resurfaced in the Gulf Coast League.
-P- Kind of a fun item here: the Rangers apparently asked about Joel Hanrahan, and Neal Huntington said he wanted the amazing Neftali Feliz. I get that Huntington doesn't want to trade Hanrahan, and he shouldn't, either. But that trade proposal is ridiculous, and Huntington might consider at least trying to make an outlandish offer that the Rangers would at least consider. Feliz is 22 and he's already better than Hanrahan, so there's no reason the Rangers would do a one-for-one challenge trade like that.
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We learned 2 things today
1. Howard Reynolds is a complete imbecile.
2. Baseball Tonight still doesn’t give a damn about the Pirates, as 15 runs and 2 homers from the No2 overall draft pick didn’t even merit a mention. Some teams like the Yankees, Phillies and Red Sox are automatic highlights no matter who they play. Pirates are the opposite, it doesn’t matter who we play, we won’t be on BBTN.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
that's a damn shame
1. Agree 100%. Pedro a line-drive hitter according to HR. REALLY????
2. ESPN will never give the Pirates any love. Even if they had 10 Strasburgs on our team. Oh and Karl Ravech is a douchebag.
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by itkonlyyou195 on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
“Some teams like the Yankees, Phillies and Red Sox are automatic highlights no matter who they play.”
Or how bad they play.
Truth is if the Bucs were kickin’ the crap out of Philly and the Dodgers then they’d give some good press, but sell them short. Big wins against Houston and Milwaukee’s not that impressive.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 22, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean like when...
…we took three of four against the Phillies in the first week of July? Or two out of three against the Dodgers in the first week of the season?
Because I don’t remember getting much media coverage for those, either.
there was some coverage there
But only when ESPN took there usual pot shots at the Buccos (they’re cheap, they’ll be gone soon, blah blah blah)
by BadAndy on Jul 22, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
as I said they sell us short
even when we do beat good teams.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Jul 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN fail
ESPN’s ticker showed Pedro’s line correctly, only they attributed him to playing for “MIL” (I swear I saw this on ESPNNEWS around 9pm) Despite the mathematic impossibility of an RBI total that didn’t add up next to the adjoining Kottaras HR for MIL, they still refused to acknowledge that a Pirate player was capable of such a feat . . . of course unless he’s an ex-Pirate, in which case he now walks on water no matter what his stat line reads.
by chicos_pants on Jul 22, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I could have sworn I saw the same thing.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
i definitely saw it
ESPN has focused more on TMZ type crap (Favre, LeBron, Yanks) than fact checking. That’s just uncalled for
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by Designated Hitter on Jul 22, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
I don't want to trade Hanrahan, but a more realistic Texas trade might be
Hanrahan for O’Day and Saltalamacchia. Takers?
I heard recently
That Salty (for short) is having trouble throwing the ball back to the mound (similar to what happened to Mackey Sasser). Texas got a plethora of minor league starting prospects so we should take advantage of that
by BadAndy on Jul 22, 2010 7:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Knaublach’s disease as one of our assistant coaches calls it. It’s kinda embarassing…
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
I think Huntington’s counter for Neftali Feliz is far less realistic, but more just saying we don’t care, we aren’t trading Meek or Hanrahan no matter what.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
I think Huntington’s counter for Neftali Feliz is far less realistic, but more just saying we don’t care, we aren’t trading Meek or Hanrahan no matter what.
Yeah, that’s kind of what I got from it too. Littlefield would ask for the moon too, but he’d do it for guys everyone knew he was going to trade anyway, which I imagine is more annoying to other GMs than what NH is doing.
To me, this is just Huntington saying “OK, this is our guy, we already went out and made a trade for him…that’s great you have an interest but better be prepared to offer a lot in return”
I don’t think he really plans to move Hanny in any case, just setting the standard here for any possible moves for a valuable player.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
I don’t think he plans to move him. I’m fine w/ asking a lot to show that you would but I think you risk being a #$@# if your ask is just rediculous.
Yinzers uber alles
Asking for Feliz was not ridiculous
What benefit would Huntington gain by doing some of the Ranger’s negotiations for them? None, so far as I can tell. Let the Rangers tell the Pirates what they are willing to pay for Hanrahan. The report indicates that that’s what Huntington is doing.
Steve Z
Anyone, like me, who watch Pawn Stars
Should know by now that the seller should always ask for the highest price because the buyer will in turn give them an insulting lowball offer expecting then for the seller to lower that demand. Utimately they’ll meet at the middle.
In Neal H’s he is NOT willing to lower his high price demand and really why should he?
by BadAndy on Jul 22, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
…but I think you risk being a #$@# if your ask is just rediculous.
That’s fine with me. I’d rather Huntington not be Mr. Nice Guy. He’s the seller right now and can be an ass if he wants, it’s the other teams that need to come to him for help, not vice versa. I think it’s nice to see that he’s not going to be pushed around by big market teams who might have the impression that they can just raid our roster whenever they please.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
To me...
…it almost feels like a Japanese negotiation, where you don’t want to embarrass the other guy by saying that he should’ve known better than to ask, so you give him an offer that he can’t possibly accept in order to save face for everybody.
Dunno. It’s odd, for sure.
A King's Ransom For Hanrahan
Why trade him for anything less? Stats don’t lie. Of the teams with the 9 lowest ERAs, 8 are currently in either 1st or 2nd in their division. We need good MAJOR LEAGUE pitchers and have two in Meek and Hanrahan that are young and good. Continue to build the bullpen around these guys.
Consider the source
The source in DKs story on the Perez for Hanrahan deal is from the TX side (most likely…says “scout with direct knowledge”; I guess it could be a Pirate scout, but why would they do that?) . As has been done in the past, the team who is trying to acquire the ML piece invariably leaks to the media that the Pirates (or whatever team) have this ultra-high asking price or have listed ridiculous demands — this has the effect of getting some sentiment on their side.
All that being said, Perez hasn’t actually been that much better for TX than Hanrahan has been for the Pirates and if he was such a good starting pitcher prospect, why wouldn’t he already be in the Rangers rotation?
Don't ask for Feliz
but ask for Perez and Engle Beltre. I’d take that. While good young relievers don’t grow on trees often, they do at a higher rate than a younger pitcher with frontline potential and a solid/great toolsy OF prospect (think a little bit better Marte). Heck I’d throw in Doumit or Duke (or honestly both) if they’d include Kiker/Ross.
Then pay the Dodgers and trade for them. Give them Dotel (or even Meek) and Maholm and cash for Withrow/Martin, Gordon, and Sands. Heck throw in Owens/Wilson/Grossman/Hernandez if that’s what itd take.
It’d be a fairly longshot but not impossible to move Dotel, Maholm, Hanrahan, Duke, and Doumit and come out with Perez, Withrow, Gordon, Sands, Beltre, and Ross and maybe a rookie or low A throw in type guy. We do that and we also severely cripple our ML team for the rest of the year, propelling us to a better draft pick.
I’d be in heaven. A man can dream right?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 22, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
I’m all for trading veterans at this point. Let’s be honest, when the Pirates turn into a contender, they’re not going to win because of Dotel, Doumit and Duke. (Less hesitant to say Maholm) There’s no reason not to trade these guys and try and get back as much young talent as possible that will help us in the future.
Problem is, we’ve been doing this for 17 years, but never get the right prospects back in the deals.
but never get the right prospects back in the deals
Tabata alone makes the deal w/ the Yankees at worst a wash. What about Hanrahan for Morgan?
Not all trades work out but some of them with NH at the helm have been thefts for the Pirates.
Yinzers uber alles
IMO
Hammer>>Burnett
Milledge~=Morgan (>> in the long run hopefully)
by BlindSquirrel on Jul 22, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
especially the way milledge is hitting now, he is batting rings around Morgan.
by BlindSquirrel on Jul 22, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
my bad…I meant to imply that we never got the right prospects in the Littlefield era. FUDGE!!!! NOW I LOOK LIKE AN ASS!
I don't follow
The Nate McLouth Trade was an absolute joke. He hasn’t really done anything in his Braves career. Hernandez & Locke make that deal a steal already and if Morton can become anything he was at the end of 2009 in the future, it’s highway robbery.
It’s already been discussed here about the Nady/Marte deal.
I’m going back through Huntington’s trades and I really can’t think of any that worked out terribly for us. The Bay trade doesn’t look good right now but if Bryan Morris becomes what we all believe he can, that’s a fair trade.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
The Nady/Marte deal
is the best deal we have done so far. We got a starting pitcher who is credible in Ohlendorf and a starting OF who has tons of potential in Tabata for a hurt OF who can’t throw now and a mediocre reliever who is also hurt all the time.
I also think Kartsens and D Cutch were in on that deal as well so I con’t know how any sane person can think we didn’t win that one.
by eyeofhorus777 on Jul 22, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone will debate that one with you.
Out of that trade, the Pirates now have 3 current starters with Karstens/Ollie/Tabata and a good organization pitcher for AAA. Yankees on the other hand, don’t even have Nady any more while Marte is nothing more than a lefty specialist when he’s healthy.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
Agreed
but also i feel that Morgan and Burnett for Hanrahan and Milledge is absolute steal on the pirates end
Indeed. I felt like that was a push beforehand in the season. Hanrahan was a big improvement over Burnett while Nyjer had a great finish to the 2009 season while Milledge, not so much. But now with Milledge really coming around, especially how good he’s been with RISP, it’s looking like more of a steal with each day that goes by.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
ah
This is what I was trying to say above… if only I’d read further.
by BlindSquirrel on Jul 22, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We have probably all heard at some point, Huntington saying that he won’t trade guys simply to help rebuilt the minor league system. We’re beyond that. Which is more than understandable, seeing as how much time and effort he’s spent doing that through trades and the draft since ’08.
Which essentially limits our trading candidates down to Maholm, Doumit and the bullpen. Those players could command major league value in return.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
I'm not sold on this point Bob..
..positional players and starters have much more value than relievers, we know this and Neal knows this. I don’t see Neal passing up dealing Hanny or even Meek if it improves us at a position of need (SS or C).
Sorry, missed the part where you said.. "and the bullpen"
Essentially, I do agree with your point! lol
I don’t think he wants to trade away either Meek or Hanrahan and probably will do everything to keep them. But yes, if there is a talented major league or major league ready position player at an area of need, you should take it. Dealing them simply for prospects is out of the question though. Like if the other team is offering a package of A or AA players for one of them, forget about it.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
by BobPurkey34 on Jul 22, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
CutchistheTruth - NO WAY IN HELL
“It’d be a fairly longshot but not impossible to move Dotel, Maholm, Hanrahan, Duke, and Doumit and come out with Perez, Withrow, Gordon, Sands, Beltre, and Ross and maybe a rookie or low A throw in type guy. We do that and we also severely cripple our ML team for the rest of the year, propelling us to a better draft pick.”
I’m not even positive all of the guys you listed (And I think Maholm has good value) could net us Martin Perez alone. The guy is being compared to Johan Santana. Do we not think other team’s realize what they have?
It’s my guess that Perez is more untouchable than Feliz, though organizationally they are probably #1 and #2 on the list of guys Texas has zero interest in moving. The jury is still out on whether Feliz can start, but at worst he’s a top tier closer that throws 100 at 22 years old. Perez is a top 15 prospect overall and the future ace of the Rangers.
I don’t believe the report that Huntington asked for Feliz in a 1-1. Probably something more like they called about Hanrahan, Huntington expressed interest in Feliz and what kind of package it would take to acquire him and was promptly laughed at and hung up.
I've tried 3 times to post this so this is the condensed version
You’re right. I jumped the gun. Still, its a shame the Giants got Molina already because they gave up Main and Doumit > Molina. Regardless, I still think we could trade 2 of 3 of Doumit + Duke + Hanrahan to the Rangers for Font + Beltre + a semi prospect (Tommy Mendonca looks intriuging) + a thrown in.
Add that to Maholm + Dotel/Meek + cash for Gordon + Withrow/Martin + a throw-in (pray for Sands) (Given the Dodgers history I think this is realistic) and I’m still in heaven. If the Dodgers think they are giving up too much change it to Gordon + Gould + Sands.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 22, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubs can be had for $$.
The Cubs would require that we also pay the remainder of the salary of whatever combo of players we send over… because of that I don’t think it would cost as many players to pry Gordon loose.
Are you talking about the Dodgers?
Because I thought the Cubs were about to rebuild.
Oops - Yeah Dodgers
The Santana/Blake trade would be a good indicator of what you can get if you pay salary.
- needs more coffee -
This winning streak might hurt our future
NH might think we will be ready for next year, and hold on to Maholm, Dotel, Doumit, etc.
Ideally, I would love to see us be sellers. I think we need to get a few more high-end pieces, like a shortstop prospect or front-line starter. But I could settle for us being aggressive buyers. What I don’t want to see, and am very worried that it will happen, is to see NH stand-pat. This team isn’t ready to compete, there are still too many holes.
I'd hope Huntington would remember...
…the horrible play of the team for most of the year. After all, before this winning/hitting streak, fans were calling for his and Russell’s heads.
Steve Z
Players I would consider trading
Octavio Dotel
Ryan Doumit
Ryan Church
Zach Duke
Brendan Donnelly
D.J. Carrasco
Players I’m 50/50
Paul Maholm
Garrett Jones
Javier Lopez
Bobby Crosby
Andy LaRoche
Players I wouldn’t consider trading
Evan Meek
Joel Hanrahan
Big Four (Cutch, El Toro, El Lagarto, NFW)
Lastings Milledge
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
See, here's where I disagree with you and most on this subject.. (Open to debate here)
..I would absolutely, 100% explore what is out there for Hanrahan and Meek. Relievers do vary from year to year, Meek and Hanrahan probably won’t be the exception to that rule. I’m not saying they fall off the face of the earth in ’11 and beyond, but they may never have as much value as they do right now (Particularly Meek in an “All Star” season).
If we can get good trade value on Dotel, yes he’s the first option to go, but if a team in contention like the Rangers, Yanks, or Dodgers is willing to overpay for a great bullpen arm like Meek or Hanny, we have to look into it. With two glaring positional needs (SS and C), particularly defensively, and a mess of a rotation, we’d be short-sighted to think Hanny and Meek are untouchable. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Of course, as Vlad and others say often, “It all depends what a team is willing to offer”, and that couldn’t be more true with regard to Meek and Hanny. If an offer involves a position player and/or starter that gives the team an overall better chance at winning, we’ve gotta take it.
I know what you’re saying about relievers, they can be up and down from year to year. Maybe see what’s out there. But in the end, I’m still not seriously thinking about moving either one. First, they’re younger and only starting to come into their own as pitchers. Second, I’m trying to put myself into NH’s perspective – these are two guys he went out of his way to bring to this team – he likes them both for a very good reason and I don’t see him wanting to move either in a hurry. Third, Meek WILL be our closer, whether that’s in a month or next season. If I have an option of keeping Dotel or Meek, there isn’t a chance I’m keeping Dotel.
To me, it’s all about question marks and what we can check off the list going into 2011. If we trade away Meek or Hanrahan for a SS, sure that could fill a need, but it would also create another. If we go in with checks for the set up man, closer and 7th inning guy (possibly Moskos or Ascanio), I’d rather have that as opposed to a potential fix somewhere else.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
by BobPurkey34 on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
You aren’t sure if you’d want the Pirates to trade Bobby Crosby?
Anyway, everyone is tradeable for the right price. Some prices are just more outlandish than others.
Also, with the talk of a possible Dotel trade, the compensation picks he brings (assuming he turns down arbitration) greatly increases his value what with next year’s very deep draft. So hopefully, Huntington could get better prospects for him than in other years.
by wickethewok on Jul 22, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No. We literally have nobody that can play SS after Cedeno. And I’m not even entirely sold on him being the No 1 guy. He’s hitting well at the moment but he won’t keep it up. Unless someone has a spare SS sitting around that they don’t want, I’d rather keep Crosby.
I know anyone can be traded. Whether you want to trade them or not is another question.
There are two theories on hitting a knuckleball - unfortunately, neither of them work.
by BobPurkey34 on Jul 22, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. Crosby might not be a great option but he’s better than Bixler or some of the other guys the Bucs have run out there the last few years when Jack went down with injuries.
by gorillagogo on Jul 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
we can't trade Chruch
we would get a bag of balls, maybe
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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This rumor is pretty clearly from the Rangers camp
Like jlk said, the Rangers probably enquired about Hanrahan and we countered with some sort of Jones/Doumit/Hanrahan for Feliz and change package.
Its standard issue “Paint the Pirates as idiots to lower the price” negotiating.
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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Jul 22, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Why would Huntington make an incredibly bad deal...
…with the Rangers (Jones/Doumit/Hanrahan for Feliz), especially after the Rangers leaked Huntington’s allegedly ridiculous trade offer to the press?
Steve Z
You overvalue Jones and Doumit
A no-glove catcher and a 29 year old 1B/OF worth 2 wins aren’t worth terribly much outside of Pittsburgh.
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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Jul 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I'd say you assign too much value to Feliz
The difference between Hanrahan and Feliz’s current lines: Their ages.
Steve Z
Feliz also has the possibility of being stretched into a starter...
..Hanny, probably not. Plus Feliz can handle the closer role at 22, pretty impressive young guy.
That is questionable.
It’s not known whether Feliz can be a starter. If they try it, it’s not going to be a slam dunk thing.
by MarkInDallas on Jul 22, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure its questionable,
Its the dice roll that we could certainly afford to make though. He’s a 22 year old 1.5 to 2 win reliever with a ceiling of a 4 or 5 win starter if he can stretch it out.
If the situation were reversed I certainly wouldn’t take Hanrahan/Jones/Doumit for Feliz + change.
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by Say Hey Johnny Ray on Jul 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Our team is getting better, I think NH will try and get ML ready talent
for our veterans. I can even see us trading some of our “prospects” for better ML pieces or other prospects like a Gorkys.
I think we are to the point where we are trading to make our team better now, and not in 2012.
We need SP help pretty fast and a SS so if we trade trying to fill those gaps without gutting another position then I am all for it.
All this talk of trading for ML- ready talent
reminds be of Littlefield. I’m as excited as the next fan about the recent performance of the team, but I think we should at least wait to see how things go during the rest of the season before anointing this crew as the second coming of the Lumber Company.
I hope I am wrong but I think we are a lot more than a couple of players away from having a competitive team.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 22, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
All this talk of trading for ML ready talent reminds be of Littlefield.
Actually, for all of Littlefield’s faults he actually didn’t do a bad job of making trades for Major League ready players. Bay, Perez (for a season), Sanchez, and I think a couple others I’m forgetting weren’t horrible return. I mean, he had some stinkers too obviously. But it was probably the thing he was best at.
Jason Schmidt, Jason Kendall, Sean Casey, Aramis Ramírez, Chris Young, Gary Matthews Jr., and Kenny Lofton disagree with you.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
(Meaning we should have gotten some major league ready talent in all of those deals. Instead we got next to nothing.)
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the Lofton and Ramirez one was for reasons beyond his control.
Jason Schmidt was one of the bad ones
Chris Young was a bad one too, although that was more because he inexplicably dropped Herges who ended up having a really good season. So in a way I’m still kind of right about that one.
Kendall was traded for Lawton who was about the same type of player, but it got rid of Kendall’s salary. Not a horrible trade
I’m not even sure what you mean about the Matthews thing. Did he even trade him?
Sean Casey wasn’t traded for an MLB ready player so my point still somewhat stands.
I’m not saying he was perfect, or even good in trading. I’m just saying the thing he did best was trade for players who were MLB ready.
The best thing Littlefield did was public relations.
He could lie like a champ. Outlandish stuff, never cracking a smile. But at everything else, he was grim.
When evaluating Littlefield’s record in trading for ML-ready players, it’s worth remembering that both Jason Bay and Freddy Sanchez were accidental acquisitions. In the Giles trade, Littlefield preferred both Sean Burroughs and Xavier Nady to Bay, but couldn’t convince the Padres to part with either one. And the initial version of the deal that brought us Sanchez had us sending Jeff Sauerbeck and a pre-breakout ML-ready Mike Gonzalez to Boston for Brandon Lyon and ML-ready Anastacio Martinez. But Lyon didn’t make it to town until after Sauerbeck had pitched for the Red Sox, and then Lyon’s arm came up as a lemon in his physical, so the revised settlment had us dealing out Suppan and getting back Gonzo and Freddy Sanchez.
and the irony was, sanchez was injured as well
And it was more than a year later that he arrived IIRC as a late season callup. Still, it was worth waiting for him.
Also, if memory holds, Bobby Hill came over injured from the cubs as the PTBNL for A-Ram et al. Just a broken back bone. Nothing to worry about.
Littlefield really ran a tight ship.
The point wasn't that Littlefield's
trades for ML-ready players were bad but rather that it is bad policy for bad teams to only consider ML-ready talent when dealing their veterans.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is NH treading on thin ice with other GM’s when he makes absurd inquiries like with Feliz?
I guess we really don’t know how it went down, there probably is a proper way to ask and all but If I was the Texas GM, I would be thinking “This GM should freaking know better than ask for a kid like Feliz, gezz what is he retarded.”
Oh come on
GMs often make unreasonable trade suggesitons as negotions begin and no one is going to think of them as “retarded” for doing so.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 22, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Scratch Doumit...
from the trade list. He’s been placed on the DL, and JJ has been recalled…per PBC blog.
Doumit on DL - whose fault? And are we better off? You Bet!
Why did Doumit have to play EVERY SINGLE DAY, including night/day games?
He could have been more productive and less beat up playing 5 days a week tops and let Jaramillo play two days a week. I blame Doumit for demanding 100% playing time (to make up for past year’s injury time) and JR for letting him!
Anyway, watch how much better the Pirates will be without Doumit, his lack of defense, lack of throwing out runners, lack of a bat most of the time, and most of all the teams attitude will continue to lift without his sour puss frowning and angry all the time.
Thus far in 2010...
…Jaramillo has been a below-replacement-level performer.
I fail to see how replacing a productive regular with a guy putting up a .489 OPS is supposed to improve anything. Even if the productive regular in question is, as you put it, a “sourpuss”.
Or how they have already been solved
once we got rid of LaDouche.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me
Or does it look like Pedro is flipping the bird to GFJ at first glance?
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
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