Smizik Incites Masses, Riots Imminent
I like Bob Smizik. Hold on, don't kill me yet. Bob's a good guy. He's seen a lot. I've interviewed him on the radio and he's a great guest because he's opinionated and articulate. But, as has been said here a million times, he just seems to get a thrill in killing the Pirates any chance he gets. This may be done to incite the masses and get more hits and comments on his blog, and if so, it's working. But I think he's so far off the mark on this one I wanted to write something.
His latest post is titled "Trading Maholm Reeks of Salary Dump."
First, as I write this, Maholm hasn't been traded. He might be, but it hasn't happened yet. So he obviously wasn't traded when Bob wrote his piece. The headline is a good start to inflame the masses.
In the article Bob quotes Neal Huntington, the last line is,
Again we will need to feel good about the return to make a move.
Right. As I and many others have argued every guy on the team is/should be available if the price is right--from Andrew McCutchen on down. If the trade improves the organization, make it, fans be damned. Now I'm willing to concede there is a PR aspect and entertainment aspect to all of this and trading someone like Cutch would be a colossal PR mistake, but it isn't currently on the table so let's not belabor the point.
Trading Paul Maholm is on the table, so let's review some of the facts. Maholm is in age 28 season. He's been very durable, pitching at least 175 innings the last four seasons. He has a career record of 44-53 while pitching for very bad teams. His career ERA+ is 97. He's more of a pitch-to-contact lefty, striking out only 5.5 per 9, while walking 3.2. This year he is making $4.5 million. Next year he will make $5.75 million. In 2012 the club has a $9.75 million option with a $750,000 buyout if not exercised. Those are the facts.
Maholm is exactly the guy you would love to have be your fourth or fifth starter. He can be very good at times and he has been reasonably consistent throughout his career. That is exactly why other teams are interested. If he is a team's fourth starter they probably have a pretty good staff. The Pirates problem is he is their best starter. The issue the Pirates face is that the already have a very weak staff and don't have enough starters as it is. Finding a replacement for Maholm next year at his price will be difficult, but not impossible. For every Brett Myers or Carl Pavano there are 10 Randy Wolfs or Ben Sheets.
Smizik writes,
The statement is curious because Huntington repeatedly has said the team was beyond the prospect accumulation mode.
True, NH has said things like this, but that doesn't mean the Pirates wouldn't trade for another ever again. If the team could acquire a top-flight SS prospect for Maholm I'm sure they would do it in a second.
He backpedals a bit, saying:
If that is the case, and since Maholm won't be eligible for free agency until after 2012, a trade sounds more like a salary dump than anything else.
I'm not saying that is the case, and I'd like to hear more from Huntington on this. But if the team is planning on trading Maholm, I would think the $9.75 million he is due in 2012 would be the largest reason.
Okay, Maholm is NOT due, $9.75 million in 2012. He is due $750K if the Pirates decide not to exercise their option. If they do exercise it, it will be because he has pitched very well. If that is the case, the price may look like a bargain and certainly they could look to trade him that season at the deadline, if the team is out of contention.
Where Bob is correct, and the big issue is, what will the worst rotation in the majors look like minus its best pitcher? The right answer, for the rest of this season is, Who cares? We are talking about 12 starts on a 57-67 win team. It gives the organization an opportunity to further evaluate Daniel McCutchen, Brad Lincoln, Charlie Morton and possibly D.J. Carrasco. (I think Carrasco should get 3-5 starts in September regardless. If he is good, give him a chance to compete for a starting job in spring training. If not, he is a worthwhile bullpen piece at the $1.5 million or so he will make next year.)
The starting staff in 2011 is the team's biggest problem. The cavalry is on the horizon, but State College is a long way from PNC and Jameson Taillon and Stetson Allie haven't even inked their contracts yet. Lincoln, Bryan Morris, Rudy Owens and Jeff Locke will probably all be around and ready by 2012. Donald Veal, Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio should all be back next year and will certainly get a look. But the Pirates will have to do something to augment Ross Ohlendorf and Zach Duke (who I have contended all along is likely to get moved.) if he isn't moved or non-tendered.
The Pirates should absolutely move Maholm (and Duke) if it is a good baseball move and if prospects are what comes back, so be it. Just make sure to get the best long-term return possible. Again, we aren't trading Whitely Ford. We are offering a good major league-average starting pitcher that has cost certainty and has proven to be durable. Maholm is reasonably cheap next year. That contract adds to his value.
We might see how valuable it is in the next 24 hours. One thing I feel most certain about, a trade would NOT be a salary dump. And if we do trade him, maybe he can come back and be our fourth or fifth starter three years from now at age 31. Wouldn't that be great if the Pirates had three or four pitchers who could make and average major league starter be just another guy.
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Nice article , amigo,
but your one sentence could have accomplished what took 15 paragraphs:
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This may be done to incite the masses and get more hits and comments on his blog, and if so, it’s working.
Other than that, you’re right – nobody on this team, INCLUDING Cutch is untouchable. Nor should they be, for the right price.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
LOL....
you’re right. I didn’t want about Smizik’s article, I wanted to write about staff construction and power arms, the bullpen and possibly trading Maholm and Duke. And I started to, twice even. But I couldn’t help myself.
Smizik is...
an idiot. It was really good news last year when he was going to retire or whatever. It actually made me mad that he came back because now we have to deal with people who read his stuff(no offense). The guy is a terrible writer except for maybe one or two of his pieces that I will admit I have slightly enjoyed.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
It does look like a salary dump
but whatever. Maybe it will be a good salary dump, and the players they get will end up a little bit better than Paul. More likely, they’ll end up being a little worse, or, like Jason Schmidt (whom the Pirates got for Denny Neagle in a similar move 14 years ago), the players the Pirates get in return will be good after they’ve been traded in their turn.
Pointing out the “club option” part is silly. Maholm is clearly worth that $$$ to someone, so the option is an asset and it will be exercised, and the Pirates would rather deal away that year than pay him the money to play for them. Voila!: salary dump.
Well...
The option may or may not be exercised, depending on how Maholm performs and on the market for starting pitching.
Okay, sure
If he falls apart, it won’t be picked up. As things look right now, he will be worth it. The option is an asset right now, and the Pirates — assuming they don’t want to pay it, and you know they don’t — need to either trade him now or not pick up the option and look like what they are.
So, salary dump.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 30, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that they don't want to pick up the option...
I think they are holding out for a certain type of package and if they don’t get it Maholm won’t go anywhere. You’re right that the option does make him more attractive but to assume that the Pirates won’t pick it up is pure speculation at this point.
I’m inclined to think that most teams probably wouldn’t exercise a $12M option on Maholm right now. The Dodgers declined Jon Garland’s $10M option last offseason and he’s a pretty good comp for Maholm. But again, it would all depend on Maholm’s performance and the overall condition of the market. Far too early to say he’ll be worth $12M in 2012.
You're crazy.....
first Maholm’s salary next year is $5.75 milllion. That’s a good deal. The option is an “asset” only if Maholm pitches really well next year. It’s highly unlikely the Pirates pick up $9.75 million two years from now for this level of performance.
It not clear that they wouldn’t non-tender Zach Duke if he is likely to make $6.5-7 million in arbitration next year. You don’t pay that for below replacement level pitching. Now it’s possible they do retain Duke because they have so little starting pitching, but it is far from certain.
As for salary dump, then trading anyone with a future obligation is a salary dump. Troll elsewhere with that.
IDK..
If Maholm is still expected to be a 3.0 WAR player that’s worth about $14M on the market. I could see them picking that option up if they think there is a chance the team will compete that year. So if you project 3.0 WAR over the next two season your getting a value of $28M for just under $16M in salary. The looks good on paper to me. I also don’t think it’s very likely that Duke will be released either, especially after the Capps situation. Duke is having a bad year but I don’t think it is fair to say that he is a below replacement level pitcher. He’s not having a good year this year but he is still above replacement, though just barely. I think it’s safe to project Duke as a 2.0 WAR player going forward which would probably equal his salary. That’s not really a good deal but as you point out the Pirates are not overflowing with starting pitching so I think they’d probably sign him next season. To your overall point, I agree, this is not a salary dump situation with Maholm.
In theory, Maholm would get a $14M/year pact. In practice, pitchers of Maholm’s stripe (such as Jon Garland) have earned much lesser contracts. I agree that Maholm’s salary next year is a good deal, but the club option is debatable.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 30, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sensitive much?
It’s clearly an offloading of a right to pay him $9.75 M in two years, a right that has value to other teams (who figure to exercise it if they can) but not to the Pirates (who maybe wouldn’t) because [drumroll] — the Pirates don’t want to pay it and would rather see what he’s worth to others over the next two years.
Only a blind man would say that trading a 28-year-old solid major league starting pitcher for a 23- or 24-ish “major league ready” starting pitcher who may turn out to be a solid starting pitcher is not a move primarily motivated by the relative costs of the players at issue.
It can work, too. As I said, John Smiley for Denny Neagle, Neagle for Jason Schmidt, Schmidt for Ryan Vogelsong were all moves like that, and some of them worked out better than others, but all of them were salary dumps.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 31, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not at all....
sensitive. I just prefer to get the facts right. Of course every trade has aspects to it that are salary-related. I thought that went without saying.
As someone pointed out, NH may want to do a move to get a pitcher more in line with the service time of the core young positions players. Young players are cheaper than older players in general. No news here. That doesn’t mean salary is the primary motivation.
In your world every trade is a salary dump. If you trade a more expensive player for a cheaper player obviously you are dumping salary. It just doesn’t make a very interesting conversation because there is no analysis. It’s a rote formula and here is the answer.
If the Pirates are in salary dump mode why acquire Chris Snyder? Or do you want to judge each trade as a stand alone? That makes no sense.
And again....
on the option—we can’t put it in the Black-Scholes model to figure out roughly what it’s worth and you are correct that it does have some value to the team, but again, only if he pitches really well next year. No one is picking up a $10 million option for a guy who has been around an ML starter his whole career.
Stop pointing out the value of the option to other teams. It’s the same for every team and right now it’s around zero.
I wouldn’t want to see a Maholm salary dump.
Pick up the rest of his salary (especially with a financial mess like the current Dodgers) and get better players in return.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 30, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dtoddwin...
I’ve really enjoyed your last few fanshots…good writing. Keep up the nice work. I think Smizik jumped the gun a bit here. I don’t buy the salary dump claim, especially when the player hasn’t been traded yet. I think if deal does go down it’s more about Neal trying to supplement this core with picthing with the same service time. Duke and Maholm will likely be gone by the time this core is ready for a serious playoff run.
Also....
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I just thought it was funny.
Previous entry was about the Matt Capps trade. Somehow, the Nationals trading Matt Capps is not and does not reek of a salary dump. Trading Paul Maholm is a salary dump.
Worst of all, when I opened Safari, the first page it went to was Smizik’s blog and it said “Trading Maholm reeks of Salary Dump”. I was like, holy crap, he was traded? Because I had been gone from my computer since noon. He probably should have written “Trading Maholm would reek of Salary Dump”.
In order to be a salary dump
It has to be done by the Pirates.
So...
The Astros aren’t salary dumping Oswalt and Berkman.
The Diamondbacks aren’t salary dumping Haren.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Eye Theen hee was keeding.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Smizik SHOULD RETIRE… he’s past his expiration date… call it what you want, salary dump whatever, 1st thing is these KIDS should never have been given these salaries to begin with, What have they done to deserve it….
He is retired.
I’m not sure if he gets paid for the blog or not. Probably not. The Post-Gazette doesn’t mind putting his stuff up as long as they don’t have to pay for it. In return, People pay attention to Smizik, which is just what Smizik is after all along. He’s an attention whore.
Smizik and most of the guys commenting on his blog were yelling that the Nate trade was a salary dump. Good thing the Pirates dumped that salary or else it would just look foolish to have two guys in AAA making millions for it (Nate and Aki)…
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I highly doubt Smizzie’s doing it for free, out of the kindness of his (apparently rather small) heart.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You sure?
Kinda like a “part-time” pay or sumpin’?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute...
Wasn’t someone on BD recently saying this looked like a salary dump? I don’t want to name names, since I forget who it was, but I’m starting to think we have a newspaper celebrity in our midsts…
by Kidspud on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh my
I just read that article…The guy is a complete moron! I read a lot of the comments too the ppl that write on that site are complete idiots too " You are right on Bob" , “Neal Huntington is a moron” makes me sick one dude called Brad Lincoln, Mike Lincoln haha its just ridiculous, pissed me off so bad

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