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The Bottom

Every year, Pirates fans wonder if we've hit the bottom. If we've hit the lowest point for this franchise in the last 18 years. For most on this sight, that bottom was probably last year (me included), simply because it didn't include rookies like Alvarez, Tabata, and Walker who, despite their rough patches, have showed glimpses of the players they can become. For everyone else, including the national media, the local media, and any fan who's tried to convince himself the franchise is ruined under this management, we probably hit that bottom tonight.

Star-divide

This AP article overshadows, on numerous numerous levels, every feel good thing the pirates have going for them. They are going to be chewed out, ripped apart, made fun of, and lambasted at an even higher level than ever before. In the midst of most likely the worst losing season in this whole god awful streak, the AP somehow crams this on top of it. For me, and most on Bucs Dugout, it doesn't do much; we've generally supported management, we like where the team's headed, and we'll continue to support them as the organization moves forward. As far as I'm concerned they've made three important promises involving their plan for the pirates, and, so far, they've kept those promises. They vowed to restructure player development in the farm system, they vowed to build through the draft, acquiring expensive top tier talent, and they vowed to improve the scouting in latin america. When Frank and Neal took their jobs, they said each area was critical to their plan, and as of today, all three are light years ahead of where they used to be. This article just seems like another thing to dump on the pirates for years this team and this management group weren't even a part of. To do so when there's finally a glimmer of hope makes it even worse.

That's why, now more than ever, Management has to stay the course. They're going to be pressured from the media, ridiculed from every angle, and accused of penny pinching, theft, lying... anything and everything. And all this despite the obvious improvements. Our farm system got exponentially better this year, even with the departure of three top prospects, most having success in the major leagues (Brad Lincoln being the caveat). At this time next year, it could be bursting with high end talent. Our major league team is starved for pitching, yet next year we have four pitchers with sub 3.5 era's potentially beginning the year in AAA, and a number of potential flame throwers for the pen (Morton, Veal, Hart, Ascanio, Lincoln). On top of that, the continued growth of Tabata, McCutchen, Alvarez, and Walker provides ample optimism for the offense, without even taking into account the possible addition of Rendon in the middle of the lineup. Management needs to continue adding this type of high end talent in the minors, and ignore the public at least for the moment. A high profile signing isn't going to fix the pirates right now, but 25 bonus baby high school pitchers just might.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think this is it, as low as you go, at least for everyone else. Through the end of this year, its going to be distinctly unpleasant being a pirates fans. But next year its undoubtedly going to get better, and the year after that as well. For the first time in a very long while, we're loaded with talent, and after next years draft we should be sinking with it. If everybody wants to ignore that and focus on our accounting? So be it, but within a few years I think the pirates are going to make everybody focus on different numbers, and ones chiefly related to the letter W.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

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At the very least,

I have to give Nutting credit. With all the crap he gets, I would have done something much worse to stick it to the naysayers just so they could know how bad it could be. How McClatchy got away with his crap for as long as he did is beyond me, but now Nutting is taking the brunt of it.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking if I were Nutting I’d just say screw it and literally trade away the entire team for Duke Welker level minor leaguers and then go to the Washington Wild Things players and say “How’d you like to make 10x what you’re making now?”.

If I’m going to be accused of putting the worst product out just to make money when I’m doing the exact opposite I’d really want to show them what tanking is. But then again I’m far too vindictive to make enough money to buy a baseball team.

by TravisDW on Aug 23, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d trade them for as many Shelby Fords as I could get. Both the player and the car. Shows how bad the team could be and how much money I am pocketing.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 23, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

maybe

he has a photo of McClatchy on his dartboard now.

Or maybe Smizik.

by BlindSquirrel on Aug 23, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

good post.

one day when the bucs are winners (hopefully not in the too distant future), we’ll have the last laugh

by bradshaw06 on Aug 23, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with you. It was an easy story for the AP, one that could make sense if you weren’t really paying attention to what the team has done.

by AJF67 on Aug 23, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

well said...

if you follow the team religiously, and i mean the entire franchise and not just the Pirates, you will see the huge improvement from just a few years ago.

by white angus on Aug 23, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sir

Get a golf clap from me.

by Slizeezyc on Aug 23, 2010 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen

With the caveat that I live by two seemingly contradictory maxims:

1. Things are never as bad as they seem.

2. It can always get worse.

by bucdaddy on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Great post

It’s both true and disappointing that the things that current management have done to benefit this organization, will be now and in the future critisized due to their association with past management.

My turning point, the point at which I realized that the new management truly was on board to follow their lofty plans to rebuild the organization, was at this years trade deadline. Even before it I had espoused on here that a shift to tough talk was needed to shake past trade deadline follies, and stake a claim that this management was indeed going to right the ship. That’s exactly what they did. That was my high point this season.

My low point will probably come when the season ends and I’m left waiting for the Pens to start playing again.

by Pensburgh Pirates on Aug 23, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

2 questions

does the media really hate the pirates and is this team worse than the 1985 squad?

by the superduperstar!!!!!! on Aug 24, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

the media zings the pirates every chance they get. if you watch espn and if god forbid they show a pirate highlight they will somehow someone make sure to mention we have been losing now for 18yrs.

and no its not worse, well in terms of record it has yet to be seen but i will say that nope, not worse than the 85 squad. just a very young team with not so great pitching.

by C Shint on Aug 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

somehow someway***

by C Shint on Aug 24, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last night, the Pirates

beat the Cardinals and the only highlights I can get to see is Pujols’ at bats.

Tom Specht

by weltytowngang on Aug 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

oh

were you expecting any different? /sarcasim

by C Shint on Aug 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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