Pirates Claim Chan Ho Park
by RichieHebner on Aug 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT
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PrintNo details obviously, but none are needed. The Pirates now have Chris Resop and Chan Ho Park. I'd guess Steven Jackson and Justin Thomas go down, but none of what we've seen except Evan Meek and Joel Hanrahan is going to be terribly missed. I saw Resop's two awful innings with Atlanta, and they were really, really awful. Still, small sample sizes and all, so we'll see how he does in his new digs.
UPDATE by Charlie: The Pirates have designated Jackson for assignment and moved Steve Pearce to the 60-day DL to make room for Resop and Park. Park gives the Pirates a bunch of flexibility in that he can pitch for long stretches if needed, but he's a bad pitcher, and his career has been on life support since 2001. He might have a better shot at modest success in the National League, though, since he pitched reasonably well for the Dodgers and Phillies in 2008 and 2009 before flopping with the Yanks. I don't hate the idea of claiming him, but it's nothing to celebrate.
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Just filling in the gaps for the rest of the year I guess. I’d much prefer seeing our younger pitchers the rest of this year, rather than see Park out there…
I like these pickups...
Park is just somebody to hold a spot for the next two months. He had a nice resurgence with Philly a couple of years ago, maybe he bounces back.
Resop may be somebody we try to keep around for a little bit.
This is a nice example of buying low…
"It WILL happen."
Bill Mazeroski
June 19th, 2010
I would guess so as . . .
they can’t be bought any lower.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
Adam Dunn ??
Money could have been well spent on Adam Dunn and stop experimenting with Clement and G Jones to turn into MLB players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not sure how well spent that would be. It would be much better to find a first baseman that you would have for 5 or 6 years than Dunn, who would have been gone after this year.
by MarkInDallas on Aug 4, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Pay for production
Go for winners and spend some money. Now leds NL in homers, has more than total of whole Pirate team.
Point is, if we had gotten Dunn before 2009, what good would that have done for us? We would have a few more wins this year I’m sure, but the Nats have apparently been unable to sign him for next year as yet, even though they want to.
In 2011, we would be back to square 1 looking for a long term first baseman, just like they will be.
by MarkInDallas on Aug 4, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What's wrong with this?
Why can’t a team like the Pirates make moves like this for the short term? If they get in the habit of doing things like this, then two good things might flow from it:
1. If they have a year in which several players unexpectedly break out and have good seasons together (like the offense in 2008, or the pitching in 2007), the Pirates will be in position to capitalize and turn it into something better than 75 wins and breaking it apart, and
2. They will be practiced at the art of acquiring players who could turn in a good season or two in exchange for fringe prospects, rather than perfecting the art of acquiring fringe prospects for players who might break out.
All vitriol and sarcasm aside, I think defenders of the New Pirates Way (which roughly translates into “being better only matters if you expect to be good”) could learn a lesson from the Old Steelers Way — rather than gearing up for some big push that is always several years away, try to make smart decisions every year and field the best team possible while recognizing financial limitations
by RafaelBelliup on Aug 5, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, I'll take the 'New Pirates Way'
as in, the Rays way and the Twins way.
Smart decisions are acquiring players that cost some money when those additional wins will put you over the hump. Buying a 4 WAR player when you don’t expect/couldn’t expect to even be within 10 games of .500…..is not a smart decision. Buying a 4 WAR player when your team is surrounding by above-average players with a competent starting pitching staff…..is a good decision.
We aren’t there yet. So, why throw a bunch of money on a bad investment when that money can be harnassed/spent other areas (draft, Latin America, scouting) while waiting for that time when an expenditure at the Major League level will have its full impact?
We are doing it the right way…..
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Aug 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
We tried your plan...it led to 17 losing seasons
RafaelBilliup (great name): What you descirbe is pretty much the Littlefield plan and it left us w/ a terrible team and the worst farm system in the majors.
Yinzers uber alles
the New Pirates Way (which roughly translates into "being better only matters if you expect to be good") could learn a lesson from the Old Steelers Way
Those two ways are more similar than you’re insinuating. Draft well, re-sign the players on the team who should be re-signed (but never pay more than you think they should get) , and use free agency sparingly. Time will tell if that way works for the Pirates, but it’s the only way that will work
And in what universe is paying Adam Dunn 25% of your payroll “recognizing financial limitations”?
Why can’t a team like the Pirates make moves like this for the short term?
The most important thing the Pirates can do is find players who should be above average producers for 4 or 5 or 6 years.
It’s one thing to bring in a veteran when you don’t have someone you want to give a serious tryout to, like was the case with Iwamura.
But if you’ve got Clement and Pearce and Jones, and you want to find out if one or more of them could be long term good players, signing a short term solution means you are sacrificing the ability to evaluate long term possibilities.
What exactly convinced you...
that Garrett jones is not an “MLB player!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Park
Eh, he has historically been better in the NL than the AL.
This season he hasn’t been great, but right around career averages in WHIP, SO/9, and an improved BB/9. The ERA isn’t pretty, but we know that can fluctuate alot.
All in all, he’s a decent bullpen veteran, and he may not be as bad as we’re expecting.
Park will be Brendan Donnelly
basically he’ll be alright, but I still like Donnelly better because he was a 20 year old in a 40 year old body, Park is a 40 year old in a 40 year old body
by 2010 will be the year on Aug 4, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
You still like Donnelly after he walked 3 consecutive batters in 13 pitches that last outing (not to mention the rest of the poor season)?
by Adam Reynolds on Aug 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with having an irrational favorite or two.
I was a big fan of Brian Meadows, even though he wasn’t exactly God’s gift to pitching, y’know?
Hey why not at this point.
Is Dontrell Willis still available? We should probably pick him up as well.
In the July Elias rankings (I didn’t see him in the August ones) Park was at about a 41. The lowest type B is around a 54 or 55. What are the odds Park could get up to that level?
because otherwise he'll be out of a job...
by 2010 will be the year on Aug 4, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If he gets to type B status,
he will probably lose value to teams.
If he is anywhere near the 54 mark, expect him to throw meat to get back under.
Oh yeah,
We get a comp round pick, that’s right.
sounds like a win-win move Neal
Any pitcher (even Resop) is an improvement over Steven Jackson
by BadAndy on Aug 5, 2010 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chan Ho is most remembered for this time in LA
which he Scissor Kicked Tim Belcher.
He was so mad he went home and kicked his dog, and then he ate him.
We'll see what Park has left
He really was not too bad the last two years. I haven’t watched any of him this year to see if there was something that couldn’t be righted. His peripherals are pretty close to what he was doing the past couple of years except for the HRs.
Agreed...
Park is a nice pickup at this point in the season. His xFIP is a little higher than last year when he accumulated 1.5 WAR as a reliever. I’d much rather see Park get some 7th innings over Meek pitching 2 innings every game and blowing his arm out.
i hope there is an incentive in his contract where he gets paid 500k to change his middle name from “Ho” to “PNC”.
Annnnnnd Pedro's still available.
Just sayin’.
Annnnnnd it would still make no sense. They don’t need to waste money for three extra wins in a lost season that will only keep them from getting Anthony Rendon.
by Suffering Buc on Aug 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaand, he’s already said he’s not pitching unless it’s for a contender.
by MarkInDallas on Aug 4, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even for a contender, this year
His agent said he might pitch next year, but he’s not going to this year.
by GreatCthulhu on Aug 4, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuni Betancourt cost the Mariners...
Stephen Strasburg. Yuni hit like crazy on the last two days of the season, and cost all of us the chance to see a Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, and Stephen Strasburg rotation.
It’s easy to see how bad a move like this is.
Yuni just messes everything up, doesn’t he?
by Charlie Wilmoth on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bet you couldn't.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Aug 5, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn!
I don’t hate the idea of claiming him, but it’s nothing to celebrate.
I began planning a “We claimed Chan Ho Park Party” when I saw the headline. Way to rain on my parade… I was going to have cocktail weiners and dipping sauce.
Russell Martin likely sidelined for the season.
Any thoughts on stealing a few more prospects from them in exchange for Doumit, provided he passes waivers?
dont think they'll want him too bad
but hey, why not? Try selling everything you’ve got, while Colletti’s there!
The next Ryan Church will be...
Jose Guillen. Royals DFA’d him today.
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