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25 for 25: Pirates

I am actually a St. Louis Cardinals fan, but over the past few months I've been working on a roster for each franchise in the National League, composed of players over the last 25 years. The way this works is that I pick one player from each season and I have to fill out an entire roster (2 catchers, 2 infielders at each position, 6 total outfielders, 5 starting pitchers, 4 relievers). I can't take more than one player for each year, I have to take one player each season even in the bad years, and I can't use the same player for multiple positions. If a player played the majority of his games at one position, I can't use that season for another position even if he's played it before. And I used basically minimums of 60 innings or 250 PA's (prorated for strike seasons).

The interesting part with this are the decisions that have to be made, whether it is, "Dang there are some really nice outfielder seasons to choose from, who gets left out?", or, "Does this team even have two decent catchers in a 25-year span?", or, "This guy had so many great years - which one do I choose?" Sometimes a great year gets left out, sometimes a fluke, partial season gets tabbed for the team.

I actually posted the entire NL East, NL West and NL Central on the SB Nation site Viva El Birdos, as well as a fully researched extended version for the Cardinals from 1910 to 1934 and (eventually) a post just like this at all of the other NL sites. You're welcome to pick apart my choices and make suggestions of your own. I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody.

P.S. After completing the whole process and receiving comments last week, I realized that I should have utilized both BP's WARP1 and B-R's WAR numbers instead of just WARP1 along with Win Shares and OPS+/ERA+. (Fangraphs' WAR numbers only go back to 2002, so that would not have helped.) There were a couple players with differences of 2+ wins, so there might be a couple head-scratchers. My apologies.

Star-divide

C – Mike LaValliere (1987), Jason Kendall (2000)

1B – Orlando Merced (1991), Jeff King (1996)

2B – Tony Womack (1998), Freddy Sanchez (2007)

3B – Bobby Bonilla (1989), Aramis Ramirez (2001)

SS – Jay Bell (1993), Jack Wilson (2004)

OF – Andy Van Slyke (1988), Barry Bonds (1992), Brian Giles (2002), Jason Bay (2005), Nate McLouth (2008), Andrew McCutchen (2009)

SP – Rick Reuschel (1985), Rick Rhoden (1986), Doug Drabek (1990), Zane Smith (1994), Denny Neagle (1995)

RP – Rich Loiselle (1997), Scott Sauerbeck (1999), Julian Tavarez (2003), Mike Gonzalez (2006)

Notable exceptions: Tony Pena (1986), Johnny Ray (1986), Francisco Cordova (1998), Kris Benson (2000), Kip Wells (2003), Oliver Perez (2004), Paul Maholm (2008), Bill Landrum (1989), Matt Capps (2007)

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Interesting concept.

I don’t think there is much argument over your outfield picks or shortstop picks over the last 25 years, but I imagine you’ll see debate over the rest.

by Teek82 on Aug 6, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Debate

(Using WARP1 numbers) You can’t really complain about the starting pitchers – the only guy that was in the top 6 seasons that was left off was Perez. Third base is Bonilla, by far your best option, and Ramirez the next best, after King and Sanchez got claimed by other positions. Second base gets crowded out of it’s best seasons – the only thing obvious would be to switch out Sanchez for Lind, which would necessitate switching Merced for LaRoche (fixing the only real complaint there). And the bullpen gets stuck picking up the scraps, which was true for almost every roster that I did.

Like I said, there might be a few differences caused by the WARP1 vs WAR issue, but I hammered on this thing for quite a while before I considered it complete.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Kevin Young had a couple of outstanding years in the late 90's...

I’m sure they were more productive than any of Merced’s seasons. I also think Duke’s first year met the criteria to be considered, but I haven’t looked at the pitcher’s numbers here to compare. The problem with compiling a list like this is working out the best seasons for each year and seeing where they all fit – some great performances are bound to be left out.

by Teek82 on Aug 6, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

Although it’s sad to see the most recent starting pitching performance to make the cut was 15 years ago. I think that says something…

by King Oskar on Aug 6, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I would've liked to swap Tony Pena '86 for Mike LaValliere '87

but Tony Pena ‘84 would have been even better, if that season wasn’t 26 years ago

by gonfalon on Aug 6, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup

Reuschel and Rhoden both topped 8.0 on the WARP1 scale in back-to-back years, which is what Dan Haren put up last year (Greinke was at 9.0, Lincecum at 6.8).

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty solid list overall, but...

…no love 1991 John Smiley makes me sad

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Aug 6, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

1991 was a weird year for this list

It was a fantastic season for you guys. But all the really good players kind of got picked off by other years and all I was left with were Smiley and Merced basically. Smiley wasn’t good enough to compete with the best and the roster was really hurting for a first baseman (your best guy was King at a 3.5 WARP1; most teams have 2+ players over 5.0).

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Aug 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was the first guy I thought of.

I think he finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting that year, something like that.

by Teek82 on Aug 6, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, 3rd in Cy Young voting...

…All-Star selection and lead the NL with a 20 win season.

"'Tis a bird I love, with its brooding note, And the trembling throb in its mottled throat; There's a human look in its swelling breast, And the gentle curve of its lowly crest; And I often stop with the fear I feel-- He runs so close to the rapid wheel." Nathaniel Parker Willis, "The Belfrey Pigeon"

by Raybin on Aug 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If McLouth is able to get in from one season of work,

then Reggie Sanders should be ahead of him. Reggie was most likely juicing, but he had a much better season than McLouth.

by H2O on Aug 6, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Where's Mike Benjamin?

I thought for sure either Benjamin or Warren Morris would be on this list….

by 2010 will be the year on Aug 7, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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