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What Happened to Andy LaRoche?

There's a lot of talk this time of year about next year's lineup. Understandably so. There are a lot of interesting questions and many different scenarios. But one guy who is left out is Andy LaRoche. And it should be that way. Even if he was playing passably, there's no way at this point that he cracks the starting lineup with Walker and Alvarez manning his two positions.

The only way I could see him as a starter is if the Bucs move Walker to third and Alvarez to first, bumping Garrett Jones to a RF/1B, platoon/backup deal, and then LaRoche could slide to second, that is, of course, barring bringing anyone coming in from outside the org.

2009: .258/.330./.401

2010:  .209/.271/.281

What happened? Last year was LaRoche's first full season. He had a WAR of 2.6 and a 3.24 wOBA and UZR/150 had him at 5.1. Further, while not showing great on-base ability, he registered 50 BB to only 84 Ks. His OPS of .731 was certainly not world-beating, but for his first year playing full time, it was promising. After rising as a highly touted prospect, this seemed like the next step on his way to being at least a GOOD MLB player. Then this year.

His OPS is .551. His ISO is HALF of what it was last year. He's a -0.7 WAR in just 250 PAs and his UZR/150 is -5.6 (though we can chalk up much of his fielding numbers for the last couple years to the failings of the stat itself.)

Looking at his batted ball rates (like all these stats, from Fangraphs), his Line Drive % is 17.5 (same as last year), Fly Ball % 32.5 (just a bit below last year), and Ground Ball % is 50.0 (just a bit above last year). His Infield Fly Ball Rate is bad at 17.5%, but it in 2009 it was 14.5% (though in double the ABs).

He's been unlucky with a .241 BABIP compared to last year's .286, but a decent chunk of that could be accounted for by those IFFBs.

Still the sheer lack of power (evidenced by the plummeting ISO and the rise in IFFBs) is certainly outside the normal amount of variation when you consider LaRoche's history in both the minors and Majors. It just makes me wonder whether he has a lingering injury, perhaps his back problem was this or year or an inflammation of his knee injury last year, because this type of drop-off is kind of shocking.

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hes just not playing anymore...

he had a laroche-ian hot streak at the beginning of the year, who’s to say if he was playing all season he wouldn’t put up similar numbers to last year? The problem is Pedro/NFW have a lot more upside than andy at this point, so he’s not getting ABs.

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by benny benack on Sep 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Andy's back/head were his undoing...

While he had an awesome March/April (.333/.415/.456/.872) it was also aided by a .378 babip. After that he went on an ice cold stretch and his back started acting up. He could factor into the 3b/2b mix, but only if the FO is willing to move someone off of their position to accomidate him, which I doubt.

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by gorillakilla34 on Sep 10, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, mostly timing

His back acted up after his numbers had dropped, then Walker and Pedro arrived and he never had another shot. And he apparently is utterly incapable of hitting off the bench, which cost him another 25 or 50 points of wOBA over the past 3 months.

I do like the idea of him as Plan B at 2B in a shift of Walker to 3rd & Pedro to 1st. But I also think there’s a chance he gets thrown in on a trade to someone.

by JRoth95 on Sep 10, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

FYP

*It was announced to the public that his back was acting up after his numbers had dropped.

by Mr. E on Sep 10, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way

My point is that his numbers had already trended down when his playing time went to nearly zero, at which point he had essentially no chance to recover.

by JRoth95 on Sep 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I take his numbers since the demotion with a grain of salt. My point is the injury could have contributed to the slump that led to said demotion.

by Mr. E on Sep 11, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's out of baseball in two years

I can always say I saw him play the game of his life: 2 HRs, 2 doubles, a single against the Dodgers, last home game of 2009. And the second homer was a blast, well up the left field foul pole.

by bucdaddy on Sep 10, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The wrist injury from back in the Dodgers system helped kill his ability to drive the ball consistently like he did in his prospect days. Even in 2009, he struggled for long stretches before putting together a nice September. Overall, he hasn’t done enough in 1000 plate appearances with the Bucs, and .226/.297/.340 with inconsistent defense profiles as more of a fringe bench player.

by Adam Reynolds on Sep 10, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought it was a thumb injury. Either way, that’s the best guess because he hasn’t shown consistent power in the majors or minors since that 2008 spring training mishap. Hope his talent magically returns someday (even in another uniform), because he was a really good prospect in 2004-07.

by bolton on Sep 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he caught the dreaded Adam LaRoache disease

where a player goes on a hot streak for few weeks and then sucks for the rest of the season

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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 10, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

what i noticed from Andy all season

is that he has become an almost exclusively pull hitter. when hes hot and when hes not, he seems to be pulling the ball most of the time. that would be fine if he were ryan howard, or even garret jones, but alas, he is not.

by white angus on Sep 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Sheesh

That last bit is horribly mangled. Who wrote this post?

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by CTapps on Sep 10, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

And what if

Pedro or Walker gets hurt? Who fills in?

DY? Oh, jeebus…

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

How is it that

everyone that sucks is “unlucky”?

by ludwigthe9th on Sep 10, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Not saying that at all

His BABIP is very low, and part of that is being unlucky….part of that is all those infield fly balls he hits.

What I am trying to say is that something else almost has to be going on (lingering injury i suspect) because this sort of drop-off is pretty huge compared to career minor/major league numbers

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by CTapps on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Pirates – 17-35 since the All-Star break and 18-41 since the halfway point of the season. Your 2010-2011 core folks
Enjoy the corn dogs & fireworks

by BFD1 on Sep 10, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, thanks!

I was just saying I hadn’t checked the standings in a while.

True story.

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by CTapps on Sep 10, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...the turtles!

Surely you love them too!

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by wg1of5 on Sep 11, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a corn dog

for the first time last month in Singapore. It was awesome.

by BlindSquirrel on Sep 12, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your parents must be so proud that they raised a completely worthless pile of steaming shit. Enjoy being a complete loser the rest of your life. Now off to eat my corn dog and watch the fireworks.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Sep 13, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, now.

I don’t care for his posts, either, but that’s a little excessive, man.

by Vlad on Sep 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, grumpy morning. Not my most shining moment. Sorry.

Put on your dancin' shoes.

by PensFan024 on Sep 13, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, we all have our moments.

I mean, I did call him a bed-sore covered, semen-stain underwear wearing introvert once. Hell, I just did it again!

by ryebr3ad on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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