What JR's missing
Here's some of the fire and pep I think many of us wish JR would display once in a while, provided by the State College Spikes' Gary Robinson:
While this is not a "Gary Robinson should replace John Russell" promo, I would like to see JR get the hatchet in the off-season.
Which is why I thought it'd be fun to discuss who you'd like to see replace JR. My vote would be to go after someone who's not only got ML managing experience, but also has experience working with young, burgeoning players, on a team that's building a champion.
My choice would be to try and lure Eric Wedge into Pittsburgh. Eric is an Indiana native, not sure where he lives now, but he once called Cleveland home.
In 2003, he finished with 68 wins, by 2005 his team won 93. His 2007 team lost to Boston in 7 games in the AL Championship, but also earned him 2007 Manager of the Year. His '03 team had 3 starters older than 26, including 22yo CC Sabathia, 25yo Jake Westbrook, 24yo Cliff Lee, 24yo Victor Martinez, 25yo Ryan Ludwick, 25yo Milton Bradley, 21yo Jhonny Peralta, 22yo Brandon Phillips, and 29yo rookie Casey Blake. Sure the Indians were loaded back then, but look how many players churned out great years under and since him. He's the perfect fit for a team like the Pirates that will be adding raw young talent, year-after-year for the next 3+ years.
To top it off he's only 1 year removed from the MLB, and is only 42 yo.
The last thing I need to add is that he was a minor league manager for the Indians in the 5 years prior to managing the ML team. So, the discussion I've read on here about promoting the Indianapolis or Altoona manager (from within the organization), may be another option, since each has had a chance to manage future Pirate starters.
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I think he would be an intriguing candidate. I also think Grady Little would be interesting as well.
All fun aside, I dont believe JR is going to get the axe before the 2011 season.
I was thinking about this last night
maybe the Yankees hitting coach. That way he could pass his knowledge along and hire a hitting instructor that is a prophet of his, he does pretty good work up in NY (yes I know the Yankees have top-line talent always). But if you look at a guy like Swisher (who is from my hometown, and was the worlds biggest Dick in high school) Long has made him a much better hitter from .219 in 08 with CWS to .250 last year to .295 this year. Is he related to Don Long?
But if you look at a guy like Swisher (who is from my hometown, andwas theis still one of the worlds biggestDick in high schooldicks, ever!)
Fixed that for ya.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you went to PHS
I live 45 minutes south of Parkersburg, small world after all I quess
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i went south
And am a good 8 years younger than him, but he is my brothers age and he played some ball with Eric grim and a lot against swisher and has nothing nice to say about him are you from reply/fairplains
by hilltoppeer on Sep 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nick Swisher is a pretty good guy, in my opinion.
Different members of my family also are well-acquainted with his dad, stepmom and younger brother and get along with them well.
Perhaps this is just another case of being jealous of someone else’s success. (It’s hard to imagine someone from South not liking the Swisher family, especially after Steve didn’t send his sons to his alma mater.)
I also like Steve Grim(M!) and the rest of his famiy, including his son Eric.
Not to worry, hilltoppeer, as South seems to be getting stronger in football overall in recent years and should send the Big Reds to another loss when they meet this year.
Speaking of describing someone as a male anatomy part, the Big Reds MIA RB Wasonga is one and should have been booted out of school LAST YEAR for almost never going to class and not wanting to practice many days. If he’s not back on the field soon, your boys at South should romp and stomp all over the Big Reds, and you and your brother can forget about a dozen years ago when Swisher, Grimm et al. were so much better in football and baseball.
I could care less about high school football anymore
but I played a lot against Andy Thomas, Matt Lindamood, and Josh Jenkins and I think they are all pretty good guys (and personal friends). I also am pretty sure that Eric Grimm was Dale Grimm’s son (not steve), but I could be wrong.
Those were some good PHS teams
seeing as how Jenkins in starting at WVU. Didn’t Lindamood walk on at WVU.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
not bad
Two guys on full scholly from WV HS at the D-1 level, that hasn’t happened in while
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ravenswood
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I have some family in Ravenswood
if you know mark happney. And I have a cousin named Luke that graduated last year, that was the “big man on campus” last year.
Luke Murray
he is my Math class at WVUp
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Sep 3, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
student
its a small world
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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nick swisher
seems to be liked by his teammates, must be those cool original handshakes that only he knows how to do.
What's JR missing...
talent; or at least talent performing up to expectation. If JR is fired I would like to see Wedge or Walbect (Altoona Manager).
Sorry if I get a little off topic
But so many Pirate fans and other fans main beef is “They trade all their good players”. I wish we had guys like the Indians had. You never hear anyone complain about them.
Cleveland Indians?
The entire city hates Shapiro again. Fans don’t understand rebuilding, they understand W and L. That’s it.
We would be just as bad
if we had kept everybody, nobody that has left in the past 4 years is doing anything other than batista. If we didnt make those trade tabata would never have been here walker never would have had a chance and our minor leagues would suck
What JR is missing in addition to requisite managerial skills for baseball is a whole bunch of talented baseball players.
Let’s hope this is being corrected a tad this year, and and good bit more from next year, and JR is shown the door sometime during the ’11 season.
No manager could do much better with this motley crew.
I still think 2012 is a reasonable year to expect significant improvement, and hopefully many young, talented teams for years to come after that.
I beg to differ
There is a lot JR could have done with this crew. The fact that they are underperforming, speaks to his own inability to motivate them, or pass on anything that may trigger at least a par performance from them. All you have to do is look at McCutchen’s performance this season.
And what the hell happened to the SP’s this season? I realize JR can’t be blamed for all their failings, but in “the year of the pitcher,” somehow the Pirates pitching is even worse!
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The defense happened...
along with a little regression. Maholm regressed more than I thought but Morton was the one real surprise in the group in that he was historically bad but other than that our pitchers require good defense behind them. It’s no surprise that the only pitchers on the staff having really good seasons were are the ones who can strike people out: Hanrahan, Meek, Dotel, Resop, Ohlendorf (lately).
along with a little regression
Which is exactly my point that JR is failing to produce as a manager.
I’m not going to try and talk about all the fielding errors and miscues, because most of them fall on the players. But his inability to manage starters, or lineups is enough reason to say he’s outmatched by his peers and should be replaced.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't how you get that out of my post....
I don’t care who is managing this staff. With the type of pitchers we have the defense behind them is going to kill them. I’m not saying that JR is/or isn’t a good manager but I am saying that you cannot use the performance of the starting pitching against him. Hell he did fire his pitching coach so he should get credit for that right?
how do you motivate grownass men?
this aint Nam. Russell aint Lombardi. how do you motivate grownups playing a child’s game and making a fortune to lose as much as they do to win.?
It would probably be a lot easier to motivate players...
…if Russell were allowed to clap them in the stockade for malingering and/or insubordination.
IMO, having a manager pull a stunt like Robinson...
would only shine an even harsher light on our beleaguered Pirates.
I don’t disagree with you.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm on the fence about that
I think he did go too far for being thrown out, but at the same time, at laest we know he has a pulse. I have lost count of the number of times JR could have responded even a little bit, instead of just sitting at the bench emotionless. It’d be nice to see some concern for what’s going on on the field, beyond just a glare, or asking a question.
Not suggesting he go over the top like Robinson did at every chance.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not advocating the Billy Martin approach.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Robinson is a short league manager!!!
what the $#@! is he doing by signing a fricken bag??? thats just as bad as Nyjer charging the mound and throwing his little tiny hands at Volstad. its just dumb, showboating, egotistical BS.. “look, maw, ize on duh teevee”
what the $#@! are you responding too???
Short league or not he’s a manager. With concern over a call. How many times has JR done that this season. I bet you have enough digits to count them.
JR is too passive aggressive.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Robinson did nothing but look like a jackenape
nothing more, but plenty less. wanting your manager to show a pulse is fine, wanting your manager to look like an embicile and throwing hissy fits a la piniella is just sad. downright embarrassing. i have said nothing bad about Russell through his 3 years in Pitt, but if he did something like Robinson, I would let him have it.
Signing the base?? is his jersey number 85? cuz OchoCinco beat his ass to it.
Game management skills and line-up savvy
are what JR is missing. How many times has one of his moves left you scratching your head and wondering what it all means?
You’re exactly right.
He’s outmatched on bothe these respect by almost all his peers. Surely someone else could do better.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Aside from...
…quality starting pitching, a threatening lineup, and solid defense, it seems like JR has everything he needs.
Wedge
Not the guy they need. Leaving aside the fact that his pre/post- game interviews are nearly as entertaining as JR’s, I just don’t think he did a good job with that Tribe.
1. Ran Milton Bradley out of town. May be excusable since MB is BSC.
2. Ran Brandon Phillips out of town. No excuse there.
3. Developed Jhonny Peralta, then watched him fall off a cliff.
4. Developed Travis Hafner, then watched him fall off a cliff.
5. Developed Grady Sizemore, then well, you get it…
6. Underachieved, basically every year. Those Indians teams had a lot of talent, but never had much to show for it. They completely fell apart in the last week of ’05. They only won 78 games in ’06, when a lot of people were picking them to win the division. They won 96 games in 2007, but rode CC so hard down the stretch (241 IP), his eventually implosion in the playoffs was not hard to predict.
I’ll admit, I’m a little biased against him, but I think the PBC could do much better than Eric Wedge.
It's a good day to be a Pirate
Come now
Surely you’re not blaming Eric Wedge for Hafner and Sizemore being injury-prone and Peralta being double cheeseburger-prone. There is only so much a manager can do.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 2, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
On one hand
Wedge works great with young talent touted as a plus, then you don’t want to blame him for Hafner, Peralta, and Sizemore falling off a cliff.
I don’t think he deserves credit or blame for either, but you have to be consistent. Either he develops young talent and then torches it. Or not.
Managers ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT!!! Especially at this level. The Pirate Parrot managing this team could not have affected this team more than +-2 w/l.
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 3, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wedge works great with young talent touted as a plus, then you don’t want to blame him for Hafner, Peralta, and Sizemore falling off a cliff…Either he develops young talent and then torches it. Or not.
No, this is wrong. Grady Sizemore’s decline was 100% attributable to injuries that Eric Wedge had zero control over. Hafner’s decline is also largely injury-related. Peralta ate himself out of being a shortstop. If you develop a young player who goes on to get killed in a car accident, do you blame the manager for “torching” the talent?
The main thing a manager can do for young talented players is just to play them and not fuck with their heads like Tony LaRussa is doing right now with Colby Rasmus. Wedge was able to do that successfully in Cleveland and deserves credit for it, period.
I agree that he had little to no control over the decline of the players. I was just pointing out that we tend to look for ideas to support out opoint of view. We think Wedge is good at developing god players, so we give him credit. How much control did he have over the devlelopment of those players as a ML manager?
The Rasmus situation is strange, I agree, but do you see JR doing anything like that? I don’t see how we can credit or discredit any manager for developmental gains and losses except in extreme cases like Rasmus. Especially with position players. Dusty Baker killed about three pitcher’s careers. But with position players, giving them playing time is all he can do. Its not in his power to call up or send down players. He can bench them for poor performance or discipline, but that’s about it.
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK, I think that is the one thing a manager should be judged on...
how well the players brought up through their system succeed at the major league level. Coaches like Loyd McClendon were horrible at this. Continually benching young players with upside for vererans until one day you turn around and Craig Wilson is 29 and in his last year of arbitration (exagerrated intentionally). Some people were screaming at Russell for doing the same thing to Moss, Milledge, Laroche and Clement because he had a tendency to predetermine his lineup and would often bench players even if they had just gone 3-4 with a HR the game before. Not saying he is soley responsible but there are a large number of young players who have not succeeded under Russell’s care (Moss, Clement, Laroche, Milledge, Morton, Lincoln, etc.) His successes are Walker, Tabata, Meek and McCuthcen with the verdict being out on Pedro (and Lincoln). Personally I think JR should have sent Long packing with Varsho and Kerrigan because I don’t think he is doing him any favors.
But which one of those guys did he screw up? Moss, LaRoche, Milledge, and Morton all got legit chances to play. Lincoln, as you say, is still undetermined. I don’t mean to make excuses for JR in particular, I just don’t know how much differently he could have played things. I think he had pressure to play Church, whether he agreed with that is yet to be known, but I think the FO played him some, especially early, to appease som fans who at least recoginzed a name. (holy run on sentence, anyway) I think his biggest job when it comes to developing players comes down to the coaches he has on his staff. In that regard, again, the jury is still out. I’m glad that they got rid of Kerwin and Varsho, and I hope there are more casualties this offseason. You have to admit that there are no incidents with the team. Everybody shows up and plays and doesn’t go crazy. I prefer the lunchbucket mentality that he brings as opposed to the steam whistle that was Lloyd, Lou and others of that ilk.
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 3, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the firing of his staff...
was a positive sign but it came a little late IMO. Also, I’m not saying that Russell screwed up anyone necessarily. I am saying that “developing” players at the MLB level, especially ones that have come from the system and learned the Pirate Way, is the most important job the manager of rebuilding has. I don’t know that Russell screwed up anyone but there are too many players that have not developed in Pittsburgh. For the record, I think Russell will be back next year. I’m still on the fence as to whether or not I think he should be replaced or not (though I’m leaning towards replaced) but I think NH will bring him back. Ultimately I think his fate will rest with the development of Alvarez, Tabata and Lincoln. If Licoln and Alvarez don’t take a step forward next season and Tabata regresses I think he will be replaced in June/July. He’ll be gone before the wave of young pitchers hit (Owens, Morris, Locke, Wilson).
So he ruined 5 guys and underachieved!
As a guy who managed in the MLB for 5 years (with what became a highly touted team in his tenure – no thanks to him of course!), i think he did pretty well with a team of what amounted to a yearly reload of talent (predominatly with rookies).
It’s hard to say what had happened if they had kept him for another year? They may have done better this season, they may not. But I’m pretty sure, given the resurgence of youth on the Tribe, that they’d likely have done better in ‘11 than they’ll do with Manny Acta.
I expect very little success for the Tribe next year. And so should you.
Of the Yahoo Notes/Quotes: 27—Years it has been since the Indians failed to have at least one 20-homer hitter. Through Sept. 2, OF Shin-Soo Choo led the Indians with 16 home runs."
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
How many
of those years was Wedge there? Are you giving him credit for the whole streak, or keeping it alive? How many homers did he hit? Shouldn’t you be patting the Tribe FO on the back instead of the manager?
by Wizard of Woz on Sep 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the FO lost their way in Cleveland. I hope they don’t follow the Tribe’s path, and continue drafting and developing good talent, so when they do trade away their “stars” it won’t be as bad as it was in Cleveland.
I think Wedge deserved more time to rebound from losses like Sabathia and Lee, and others, and the Team org dropped the b all.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 4, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And a good mind. He’s not a game manager.
by Suffering Buc on Sep 2, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than around 12-13 guys or thereabouts, the roster is a complete mess. But hey, it’s Russell’s fault that Milledge doesn’t know fundamentals or Gallagher can’t find the plate, etc.
by Adam Reynolds on Sep 3, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Okay, everybody join in:
“Nutting’s TOO CHEAP to buy a brain!”
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Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 3, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If we want a new manager...
…I’d love Fredi Gonzalez. I think the Braves have first dibs on him, though, once Bobby Cox retires.
Don't forget the Cubs
Who have him on their short list
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would he want that job?
Bad club with lots of payroll tied up in aging, declining players, a fan base that tends to treat minorities very shabbily, and a GM who’s on the hot seat (where a GM change would probably mean a change of managers as well).
Because they'll make an offer?
I don’t know that it matters. If he really wants to leave FLA why would he take on the Pirates. They have less ML talent, and at this point little more of a fanbase.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Less ML talent...
…but a lot more minor league talent, and a better chance to have a winner (and thus continued employment) three years down the road.
I just kind of wrote him off...
because I though it was a foregone conclusion that he would be the Braves next guy. I wouldn’t be upset at all if he landed with the Bucs.
What's JR missing?
Ummm…. a pulse and MLB quality players…….
He's a zombie?
That would explain why the players are so bad. They stay awake at night out of fear that JR will try to eat their brains!!! I’m just messing with you. He is lacking some quality major league talent right now. That is the #1 root cause.
Nutting’s too cheap to hire a proper zombie!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
seems to me ...
That even with quality MLB players such as: Alvarez, Tabata, McCutchen, Walker, Hanrahan, and Meek, he’d be able to manufacture more wins than they’re earning.
However, I regress, because I am still a proponent of “winning” the #1 overall pick, so lets not win too much.
At the same time, lets see some good managment skills by saving Meek and Hanrahan the rest of the way, while optimizing the offense generated by the big 4, and win some close games while not winning more than the O’s/M’s.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess Wedge may not work in Pittsburgh ...
But my last point makes me think that maybe Tremblay or Walbect would be a good replacement for Russell, since they’ve managed (successfully at their respective levels) Tabata and Alvarez, and many of the Bucs future roster. This also mimics Wedge’s progression in Cleveland, while offering the players a familiar face to rally around.
And if I’m not mistaken, Jim Leyland was also a former Pittsburgh minor league manager, which as I recall worked out pretty well for both. If NH is kept on, and the draft’s continue to add new talent as has been the case since his inception, I foresee the Pirates resembling the Braves of the ’90s and ’00s
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions
Leyland never managed for the Pirates in the minors.
He was a minor league manager in the Tigers’ system from ‘71-’81, and then a ML coach for the White Sox from ‘82-’85.
my bad
I guess this one fail discredits everything else I have or ever will state on Bucs Dugout.
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a big deal.
Just thought people would be interested. I certainly didn’t know what his background was before he managed for us until I checked.
This team really needs an injection of passion for 2011
The same old same old is not going to get them above .500, let alone in the MLB consciousness next year.
The off-season is when this team could really benefit from some new LEADERSHIP blood. Some energy going into ’11 could be what the team needs to help them play .500 (.440-.500) through the All-Star break. Before some of the pitching prospects in Altoona start showing up to add some much needed depth for a late season run at .500 (which in the central may be a playoff run).
by Pensburgh Pirates on Sep 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
In general, I think that "fire" is vastly overrated.
I won’t hold it against a guy, though, if he’s a good candidate for other reasons. I just don’t see it as particularly significant.
Just to play devil's advocate...
I’m not a John Russell fan, not even close to. I wanted this job given to Showalter severly, but how much credit should we give him to the success of Tabata and Walker? They both were not seen to have a ceiling THIS high, let alone put up the numbers they’re putting up right now.
I’m not saying he IS the reason for their success, far from it, but just wanted to see what people had to think about that.
im assuming you mean Baltimore's success"
hmmmm, once the O’s have success, ask me again and i’ll let you know. But if you wanted Showalter “severely”, I think you may want to take a vacation for a while, bruh.
pour a cold one, relaaaaaaaax.
Having "success" (certainly wouldn't call it that) in Baltimore has nothing to due with wanting Showalter
I could give two $hits about the pirates winning right now. The reason why I liked the idea of bringing in a Showalter is because it’s someone that is a staple name in baseball. John Russell is not. When you have young kids being brought into the organization who still need to learn, who do you think they’ll listen more to? Who will play harder for? John Russell or Buck? It’s also a message from the organization saying that they want to bring in a name to lead this group.
And btw, the Showalter thing was not my point of my post, my point was does Russell get any credit at all for Walker and Tabata coming up and playing well?
Yes...
though most people don’t want to credit him for anything. He gets credit for his successes the same way he gets blamed for his failures. Truth is, Russell was given a lot of projects and most haven’t worked as hoped (Clement, Laroche, Milledge, Morton). This is what most people will focuss on (and probably deservedly so) but it is my opinion that if he gets blamed for the failures he should be given credit for Cutch, Tabata and Walker. It seems to me that he has been given more projects than the average mananager but I cannot quantify this.
not sure about this
my opinion in general is that players are what they and the minor league system make of them. Some adjustments will be made at the big league level that will raise them or lower them a notch or two (which may be enough to kick them out or let them stay in baseball) but the manager’s role in that is not huge.
On teams, primarily, the manager has to use his players the best (which is an area, esp with the bullpen, where I think Russell lacks severely) and in-game management (also bad, imo, for Russell, which is essentially why I would like to see him gone).
Other than that, there are some more intangible ways that coaches can help, but are very difficult to quantify. For instance, does the fact that he can tell you stories about great past teams in pep talks help? Can he make the team bond as a unit? Make them want to pick each other up? Respond the right way? Play hard? Force them to cut out mental mistakes?
Maybe, but it probably matters only a very little- nor do we know how Russell is with players. If his appearance is any indication, I doubt he helps much, but that’s just my biased opinion. Beyond stats, though, there probably is something to be told for a manager’s ability to bring out the best in his players.
Why...
should he get credit for someone coming up from the minors and immediately doing well?? What effect does JR have on Tabata’s skill level??

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