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Does It Matter If Neal Huntington Attends Road Games?

Dejan Kovacevic has a list of ten things to pay attention to in the final month of the season. I always enjoy pieces like these. A few thoughts:

-P- Kovacevic:

That would appear to be the greatest challenge as it relates to the road, where the Pirates have lost a mind-boggling 39 of the past 44 road games.

General manager Neal Huntington has attended roughly a quarter of the Pirates' road games and was not on the just-completed 1-5 trip through Milwaukee and Chicago. No one else from the front office was seen on the trip until late in the series at Wrigley Field.

Coonelly said Thursday that he supported Huntington's decision to scout Altoona games instead, in part because the team has "some very difficult decisions" this offseason regarding protecting prospects in the Rule 5 draft.

If you're not sure why this is an issue, Kovacevic defended a few days ago his decision to report on the baseball staff's absence from road games. Kovacevic's idea is that it's rare for no one to be there, and seen from that vantage point, it's certainly newsworthy. But I don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's much of a mystery why the Pirates have been so bad on the road - they've been bad because they're just generally bad, and because of sample-size issues, and because it's harder to win on the road! There is, from my viewpoint, no reason Neal Huntington should have to waste time in airports when he can presumably just watch the game from his hotel in Altoona.

Speaking of which, scouting in Altoona is a perfectly legitimate use of Huntington's time. Coonelly is right - the Pirates will have a number of tough decisions before the Rule 5 draft this offseason.

-P- Also, am I the only one not really worrying much about the Orioles/Pirates race to the bottom? It's been discussed ad nauseum here all summer, but as you all know, consensus top talent Anthony Rendon suffered a severe injury in July. He sounds like he thinks he can make a full recovery, but of course he says that - we'll have to wait and see. For all the times the Pirates have been in the top five in the draft over the past couple of decades, it's a shame how little luck they've had with finding a bona fide superstar, an Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., or Joe Mauer type of player. (I seem to remember someone else making this general observation before, but I can't remember who - if it's you, let me know in the comments and I'll add a link.)

Obviously, the Pirates have done a terrible job in the draft for many of the last 20 years, but often they've missed out on those players due to luck. In 1987 the Pirates had the second pick in the draft. Griffey went first, and the Pirates took Mark Merchant second overall. The Bucs had the top pick in 1996 and selected Kris Benson, who turned out to be a functional starting pitcher, but that was about it. Mauer went with the first overall pick in 2001, but the Pirates didn't get to pick first again until 2002, when there really wasn't a consensus superstar pick. (Taking B.J. Upton first overall would have made a lot more sense than picking Bryan Bullington, but B.J. isn't even the best ballplayer in his family, and he certainly isn't in a class with Rodriguez or Mauer.) The Pirates also just missed out on stud pitchers David Price and Stephen Strasburg in the 2007 and 2009 drafts, and on Bryce Harper this year.

It's very likely that the Pirates will pick first next year, but unless Rendon does make a full recovery or someone else emerges, it's likely the Bucs will be in a familiar spot - they'll have a nice draft pick, but they'll have to choose from a number of good, but non-elite, talents.

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I do recall

reading from someone (Jim Calls maybe?) that Rendon is expected to make a full recovery and be pretty much 100% for Rice’s season. If that’s the case, and he has the kind of season he’s expected to have, wouldn’t that be considered elite talent? (I’m asking, not arguing.) As I understood it, he’s considered one of the better hitting prospects to come along in some time.

by biggyv on Sep 3, 2010 5:49 AM EDT reply actions  

A lot of "ifs".

We’re still very early in the process at this point.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but the question remains..

if it all works out for him is he an elite talent? I’d vote yes, but I’m no expert. I don’t think its crazy to think that he can return to form.

by Kev S on Sep 3, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really much point in worrying about it now.

Either he will or he won’t. We’ll watch and find out, then make the best available pick.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's my impression...

that DK is referring to the lack of ANYONE from the FO with the team…not just NH. While NH correctly has some evaluating in the minors to do, I would assume that he didn’t take the entire baseball staff with him.

If DK thinks it’s unusual for the FO to totally skip a road trip, it probably is unusual. By the next road trip…the minors (with the possible exception of Altoona) will be done. If the FO isn’t on that trip…then it is truly newsworthy.

by Thunder on Sep 3, 2010 6:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but Kovacevic has specifically and repeatedly mentioned Huntington’s absence.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 3, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rarely mentioned as if it's only him absent

Yesterday’s chat:

Which brings me, again, to the topic of no one from the front office being on this trip, at least not until Tyrone Brooks came for the last part of the series at Wrigley.
First story on Thursday’s game:
Before I get to transcribing quotes and stuff, wanted to let you know that Tyrone Brooks, Neal Huntington’s director of baseball operations, joined the team here today. Just saw him downstairs in the clubhouse.

Thus, it will not be the case that no one from the front office was with the team on the entire trip.

Morning Links, Weds:
neither general manager Neal Huntington nor any of his lieutenants accompanied the team on this trip and several others

[…]

Yesterday, I asked Coonelly how he felt about no one from baseball operations attending road games — a rarity in professional sports and one I have not seen in 20 years at the Post-Gazette — and he has yet to respond.

And, in what I believe is the passage that started it all, the Monday night game story:
There is the terrible lack of accountability, with no significant, visible action by manager John Russell beyond some daily meetings of late, and not one member of the baseball operations staff accompanying the team on this six-game road trip. General manager Neal Huntington has been scouting the minor-league affiliates.
In other words, I think this is a complete mischaracterization, and the DK hasn’t fixated on NH’s personal absence at all.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

In today’s piece, he is plainly focusing on Huntington, personally, not being there. I certainly agree that he has mentioned the absence of other front-office personnel as well, and that if the absence of any front office personnel is unusual, then it’s newsworthy – but then, I said that explicitly in my post.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 3, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, didn’t intend to sound mean there.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

red herring?

I don’t know, if he thinks it’s unnatural enough to be newsworthy, I’ll take his word for it over speculation meant to prop up the actions of the FO. I didn’t personally read him bashing NH here as much as the FO in general, and I think even when in today’s piece he mentions NH, he does it in the same breath as lumping him in with the rest of the FO. Simply put, he’s the face of the FO, so sometimes his name will be synonymous with the FO.

As for the draft, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. It’s worth talking about at any level, simply because of how important the draft is for our team. That’s part of the plan, right?

by JimiL on Sep 3, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what is it the FO is supposed to do on road trips?

Not being facetious, just curious what value travelling with the team adds. Is it some kind of unwritten baseball rule that front office personnel always travel with the team, or does this just apply to bad teams?

by maguro on Sep 3, 2010 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Tim at Pirates prospects

had a real nice write on this exact topic a couple days ago.
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2010/09/how-do-you-get-your-scouting-reports.html
I can’t seem to get the link to work (shitty college computer).

by hilltoppeer on Sep 3, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

good read

thanks for posting
also, with the superstar thing, you wonder how much is nature/nurture. These are almost all amazing athletes, a slight bump up or down makes you wonder if the bucs drafted an arod or griffey, would they have still become superstars? maybe the bucs ruined guys they drafted that could have been HoFs.

less than 6 months after being drafted, griffey attempted suicide, what would it have been like if that took place in today’s info age?

by vherub on Sep 3, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

But another thing that DK has mentioned a number of times is that the Pirates are the only team he knows of that employs (I think) no advance scouts – all scouting is done by video and stats. Certainly no one can argue that this has helped the team, unless you think they’re a natural 115 loss club.

NH et al don’t seem to value in person eyes at the ML level, for whatever reason. In the abstract, the merit of that is debatable, but as I said, the results speak for themselves.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Decisions not just with 40 man

The Pirates face a number of decisions going into Spring Training next year regarding the makeup of the starting lineup and the ML roster. For instance, fish or cut bait on Zach Duke? Is Lastings Milledge still in the OF mix? Is Garrett Jones the starting 1B or should we be looking elsewhere? I don’t think our only decisions are with the 40 man … there are a number of guys on the 25 man who could potentially be let go on their stats alone. I would think the FO would be interested in seeing them in person as often as possible down the stretch to reaffirm their position on each player.

Besides, they aren’t just BAD on the road … they are INCOMPREHENSIBLY bad. For a GM that orchestrates the positioning of the outfielders, you would think Neal would want to get his hands dirty on the road to help figure out why they are more than 200 points worse there. Perhaps its preparation or too much partying the night before :-).

by Fat Jimmy on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we've all commented at some point or another on the Pirates drafts and near misses...

I’m not sure how you don’t see the race to the bottom as a big deal Charlie. It’s literally the only thing that matters at the MLB level the rest of the way out. As an Oriole or Pirate fan, you watch the games because of the interest in the team, but you watch the standings because of the interest in the draft.

It’s easy to say “Don’t get caught up in it, because anything can happen and Rendon’s far from a sure thing” and that’s true, but the assumption that someone else won’t step up, have a monster season, and be the clear concise #1 pick is far from a sure thing too.

The 2011 draft is a long ways away, and yes, anything can happen, but the one thing that won’t change is the #1 pick will still be better than the #2 pick. If I had my way the rest of the season, the hitting would be there, the starting pitching would be there, and Chan Ho Park/Wil Ledezma would blow the games. Maybe that’s unloyal, maybe that’s traitorous, so be it. I’ll take the #1 pick in the draft over a few extra pathetic September morale wins any day of the week.

by jlk9697 on Sep 3, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Past ten drafts (excluding '10) and who made the better pick as of right now...

’09 = Strasburg or Ackley 1st
’08 = Beckham or Pedro 2nd
’07 = Price or Moustakas 1st
’06 = Hochevar or Reynolds 1st
’05 = Justin Upton or Alex Gordon 1st
’04 = Matt Bush or Verlander 2nd
’03 = Delmon Young or Weeks Push
’02 = Bullington or BJ Upton 2nd
01 = Joe Mauer or Mark Prior 1st
00 = Adrian Gonzalez 1st

Just a quick comparison of #1 vs. #2 recently, doesn’t tell all that much other than I’d say the #1’s have panned out slightly more than the #2’s, though that’s no guarantee of success in this upcoming year.

Vlad, we could still get a pretty good player at #2. In fact, we’ll probably get a pretty good player at #2 if we end up picking there, but I don’t understand having a non-chalant opinion towards the top pick. Yes, we can get a good player at #2, but we will for 100% certain be able to have that player if we’re picking first. We spend a ton of time rooting for and watching marginal prospects that will be lucky to be 4th outfielders if they ever even reach the bigs. Following the potential impact of the race to the bottom is far more interesting to me personally, than what Alex freakin Presley is hitting at AAA.

by jlk9697 on Sep 3, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a weird argument

It is literally impossible that we would be unable to get our chosen player if we choose first, even if the Orioles wouldn’t be planning on choosing him. But at #1, we’re guaranteed whatever player NH deems best. That seems like the best place to be, and I don’t see any benefit to winning 60 games vs. 58 if 58 is what it takes to pick first.

That said, if this team could get hot and win 20 this month, I’d be ecstatic. I don’t entirely understand how we’ve been this bad (certainly some bad luck for Jones & Cutch hasn’t helped), and it would be heartening, as well as fun, to win a lot of games this month, especially if it comes from Milledge and Cedeno wOBAing .400. But if it’s between 9 and 11 wins, I’ll take 9, thank you.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really disagree. I’d just find the whole race-to-the-bottom thing a whole lot more compelling if there was a clear superstar talent waiting at the end.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 3, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

To play devil's advocate:

If we end up at #2 rather than #1, that’s probably a difference of a million bucks or more in terms of signing bonus for our first-rounder. Money that could go to one or more high-quality above-slot signings later in the draft, if we don’t have a clear preference between the top two talents.

That said, the other big hidden advantage of being in the #1 slot is having the first overall pick on Day 2 of the draft – along with a whole night to decide who to pick (and kick bonus figures around with kids).

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good advocacy

It’s not a bad argument, especially in a draft that (supposedly) features more better prospects than any 3 regular drafts. That said, the Pirates desperately need a superstar-level player (.400 wOBA, 6+ WAR), and the best bet for a guy like that’s going to be the first slot. Especially since we now have three years’ worth of above-slot minor leaguers. I’m willing to trade a couple above-slot 5th rounders for a real superstar, aren’t you?

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am...

Still think we should do both since it’s likely the last draft we’ll be able to go above slot.

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's advocate to your devil's advocate...

would say that this could be the very last year of above slot signings going forward. If that would seem to be the case, and the Pirates have the #1 pick, it wouldn’t be shocking to see them completely blow out the draft budget in the final year of above-slot signings and spend something like 20 million total. It would be crazy, but with this being the last opportunity, might be the best strategy to go above-slot and draft and attempt to sign every player they take.

by jlk9697 on Sep 4, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

very good list

i wonder if moustakas could change that one… hes probably going to win the minor league player of the year. but just like gordon, i dont think his power bat is going to play in Kaufmann Stadium. the royals record for homers i think is 36 by steve balboni. and if balboni couldnt hit 40, whats moose gonna do?

by white angus on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah good points.

If the Padres took the best player available instead of Matt Bush (who they took for signability) then I bet that 2004 would look different.

by IAPiratesFan on Sep 3, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Weeks better than Young, and Moustakas definitely has the bat to push Price.

by Adam Reynolds on Sep 4, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind..

Young is 3 years younger than Weeks. Jury’s still out on Delmon Young, but if this season is the new standard, he’s going to be pretty good.

by jlk9697 on Sep 4, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind, Young’s defense is still awful, and this new offensive standard is an .824 OPS. That’s decent, but I’m not breaking out the party hats just yet.

There are a bunch of outfielders I’d take over Young, and maybe a couple second basemen I’d take over Weeks. No way that’s a push.

by Adam Reynolds on Sep 4, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why isn't Neal travelling w/the Pirates

What Tim Williams said (see link above. Thanks, hilltopper). There are five levels of minor league teams still playing. There’s a good reason why HQ is behind the front lines.

Lino Donoso

by Lino Donoso on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I love DK spinning it......

for his own purposes:

“No one else from the front office was seen on the trip until late in the series at Wrigley Field.”

Turns out the guy that did show up was there for the second game of a three game series. DK didn’t “see” him until the third day, so he writes it that way. Spin something not meaningful to make a meaningless point.

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by David Todd on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

As it happens

I was listen to Fan on Tuesday late morning and heard Dejan ranting to … is it Vinnie and Cook? … about this and wondering what the point was. Because I do mean ranting. Dejan almost seemed to take it personally. I’ve seen him many times on the KD Sunday night shout show and often he’s the only voice of reason, calm and thoughtful in the 10 seconds anyone will let a calm, thoughtful guy speak on sports shout TV. But Tuesday, he sounded offended. He also seemed pretty opinionated, especially hinting that Huntington might or should get canned, and while I know that’s the meat and potatoes of sports talk radio, I was thinking how a beat guy really ought to keep his thoughts to himself a little better when he has to deal with these guys every day and try to get them to talk to him.

by bucdaddy on Sep 3, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

When Dejan defends/explains himself in the PG he only refers to what he has written. But it seems silly to act as if statements made on radio programs don’t count too.

Also, how hard is it to contact several beat writers and ask them what percent of time their teams’ GMs spend following the team. Though even then I would expect different actions from a GM whose team is contending and may need a key trade piece than from a GM who is trying to build his team through the minors. As a fan I would be upset if Neal wasn’t spending considerable time observing the minor leaguers.

Dejan is a very good reporter but ever since Nate was traded he seems to occasionally let his frustration as a fan seep into his reporting. (On the other hand, I like it when his enthusiasm as a fan enters into his reporting of something like Alvarez’s big HR, and overall I’m glad that the team is covered by someone like Dejan who cares about the franchise and the city.)

by TNbucs on Sep 3, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Six game trip, dtoddwin

It’s true that he was essentially rewriting to cover the change in info, but missing 4 games of a 6 game trip isn’t that different from missing 5. It still demonstrates that the FO doesn’t much value having anyone along.

I might add that your mention of the “three game series” is just as much spin as DK’s, since the point is about the 6 game trip, not the 3 in Chicago.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He says...

“late in the series” not late in the trip. That was the point I was addressing. Game two in a three game series. I was addressing exactly the language he used, because he does the same.

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by David Todd on Sep 3, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Small point....

and probably not worth the time we’ve already spent on it. Just seems like DK has been going after the front office a bit to me and that isn’t his job and he’s the first to say that.

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by David Todd on Sep 3, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know enough...

about other organizations to determine if this is newsworthy or not. I also don’t know how much time Neal and his staff has spent with the team on the road throughout the year. If they have spent a lot of time previously I wouldn’t osbess about one road trip that happen to coincide with some really pathetic play on the Pirates part. I am just pleased that NH is competent enough to have someone scouting the minors because the 40 man roster is the most important decision in front of the team right now. I will say this though, this team has been historically bad on the road for two years running now. Their play is much, much worse on the road than at home. I say this without checking any stats but I have watched every game for as long as I can remember and to the eye they are a much worse team in every aspect, including fundamental play. At some point, and this may have been done already, the front office needs to look at some of the causes that do not relate directly to the field: daily routines, night life, eating habits, etc. I don’t know that there is a smoking gun there but there may be some things that contribute to the players not being completely ready to play mentally.

Oh, in regards to the race with the Orioles, there are only two things that have kept me from going over the edge while watching this pathetic brand of baseball lately. They are: 1) the core is young and will improve, and I’m getting to follow them from the very beginning; and
2) getting the #1 pick. I have never, and will never, root for the Pirates to lose but if they are going to be this bad they deserve the #1 pick.

I will be pretty upset if we don’t pick #1. Rendon is a special player and no one thinks the ankle injury will change his play at all in the long run. For this of you who aren’t aware, Jim Callis of Baseball Amercia said that if Rendon were in this year’s draft he would have picked him over Harper. Anyway, lots can happen between now and the draft. Many players will emerge, many will see their stock drop. But no matter what happens there is no denying that our odds of drafting a star increases dramatically with the #1 pick.

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Kendall

Its interesting having this post, talking about the Pirates inability to draft a true superstar, right above a note about Jason Kendall. But for a particularly grizzly ankle injury, JK almost certainly would have been a bona-fide superstar.

Of course, that doesn’t really dispute the point since we drafted him in ’92, back when we were a good team, but still…

by DJAnyReason on Sep 3, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

No....

No chance he ever would have been a Mauer-type superstar. Not even close. Also he was terrible defensively early in his career. Credit to him for getting better, but he had a couple of all-star type years, but never really had any power. Very good catcher? Yes. Superstar? No.

As with a lot of catchers, age just catches them early and I don’t think the ankle was the primary reason for the downturn in Kendall’s performance. More likely playing 150+ games a year behind the plate made him perform like he was 33 when he was really only 28.

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by David Todd on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kendall's hand injury...

…killed his power.

Had Kendall not severely injured his ankle and hand and if he had continued to hit as he had before his injuries through his peak years, he was a good bet to make it into the Hall of Fame. Kendall’s post injury play showed that he could adjust and remain productive even without his power. He became a slap hitter who could get on base by drawing some walks and getting hit a lot.

Catchers that can produce at the plate are rare.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not entirely accurate...

Kendall was putting up Maur-like numbers before the injury and he did improve defensively later as you admit. Kednall had decent power and was just entering his peak power years when he got hurt. Kendall also had the speed element that Mauer does not. We’ll never know what Kendall could be come but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that he couldn’t have been a star behind the plate. I can’t pull up his numbers now but I will later.

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stats below - hope they are readable.

Kendall wOBA WAR
23 0.371 4.8
24 0.396 6.1
25 0.420 4.1 only played 87 games knee injury
26 0.388 5.0 injured thumb at end of season
27 0.302 0.8
28 0.318 2.9
29 0.361 4.7
30 0.352 4.6
Mauer
22 0.344 3.5
23 0.396 5.9
24 0.354 3.2 injured
25 0.378 5.7
26 0.438 8
27 0.375 4.7

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff....

thanks

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by David Todd on Sep 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote about the Kendall/Mauer thing a while back...

…when I was running my own blog on the side: Link.

Prior to Kendall’s thumb injury, he was very much on a Hall of Fame career path. Right up there with guys who were no-questions-asked Hall of Famers.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was neat doing this...

because I knew Kendall was good but I didn’t realize just how good he was. Man it was a shame that he got that thumb injury because he was on the verge of something great.

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

See, this is why

the six-year, $60 mil contract everyone rags about now with the benefit of hindsight looked entirely reasonable AT THE TIME. Just like Kevin Young’s deal.

by bucdaddy on Sep 4, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that deal gets kind of a bad rap. It might not have been a great idea, given the development paths of catchers, but it wasn’t obviously horrible.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I read it right,

he signed that contract after his age 27 season, which was poor offensively. The four years before that, his OPS+s and OBPs were:

1997: 114, .391
1998: 131, .411
1999: 136, .428
2000: 124, .412

He was just getting into a hitter’s prime seasons, so I don’t know if “development path” should have weighed into it. I doubt there was any reason to think other than that he just had an off year in 2001 and would bounce back.

And even when he didn’t, they got the geniuses at Oakland to take him off their hands, though I forget how much of that contract the Pirates had to eat to do so.

by bucdaddy on Sep 4, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Kendall signed his extension on November 18, 2000. Then tore the thumb tendon in the first week of games under his new deal.

Just phenominally bad luck, compouned by bad medical advice (and Kendall’s natural intransigence).

by Vlad on Sep 7, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really, what's the big deal?

Does the team play better when someone from the FO attends away games? Does JR manage differently or better when the FO tags along? There may be business reasons why attendance is a customary practice, but what affect could it have on the performances of players? Could they not feel unified or feel neglected if they are not accompanied by the FO? I am usually a happier and more productive employee when my boss is nowhere to be found, so I’m not sure if this is an issue.

by Teek82 on Sep 3, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

They have a small army in that front office

Someone should be traveling with the team, if for no reason than to evaluate the dynamic between field management and the players. That is Management 101.

As far as I’m concerned, Huntington is a good minor league talent evaluator. He isn’t ready to be a full time, major league general manager.

by RichieHebner on Sep 3, 2010 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The value of...

…the first pick? The team with the first pick can take the player it believes merits that selection. The team with the second pick? Well, consider the players taken with the first pick and thus unavailable to the Pirates when they picked: Strasburg and Price! If Rendon fails to recover fully from his injury, the Pirates will still have the capacity to take him or any other player it deems fit. This small bit of certainty is what a team gains when it has the first pick overall. It’s not trivial — Price, Strasburg.

…Huntington traveling with the team on road trips? None. He has staff reports, a video record, statistical analysis of those games. He’s watched those players in person numerous times. Taking stock of the minor league players as their seasons wind down is much more important for the organization than watching the major league team struggle to win games. Dejan is way off on this one.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

staff reports

If the only staff on hand is the coaching staff, then the reports aren’t especially valuable, are they? Or rather, they’re valuable for what they say, but not for what they tell about the game.

You don’t rely on the guy you’re evaluating to provide the evaluation reports.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anthony Rendon too big a risk for bust?

Anthony Rendon is looking a little risky for a number 1 pick:

Only listed at 5’11" and 180 lbs. Hard to understand how he would get the power and leverage in the major leagues to be a power hitter. Also, not tall and lanky enough to play 1st Base which is needed pick errant throws. GI Jones saves at least a few errors per game with his stretches and scoops only possible at 6’4" tall.

Two major ankle injuries and recent surgery.

by BucsFaninCA on Sep 3, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Hank Aaron

6 feet, 180 lbs.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

ron cey and bill madlock were like 5-9

calvin anderson is almost 6-8 and he doesnt even come close to Rendon’s power potential. size only matters in basketball, football and watermelon festivals…
oh, and porn.

by white angus on Sep 3, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hank Aaron was a punk

Got passed for HRs by some skinny kid who stole a lot of bases.

by JRoth95 on Sep 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he profiles as a 1B, for starters

I think the conventional wisdom is that Pedro would eventually move to 1B once Rendon came to the majors. As for his hitting . . .

Man, that’s a nice swing.

by biggyv on Sep 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

When a guy has that much motion in his load, it sometimes makes him prone to slumps if his timing gets out of whack.

Whole lot to like there, though.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

that much motion in his load?

I can’t remember who it was, but someone did a comparison of I think Brian Roberts swing vs. some young power prospect, specifically related to having a big windup and how much of a problem it is. Sorta like the Tim Tebow discussion.

by JimiL on Sep 3, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a terrible thing.

And I’m not a scout or a swing doctor. I just get a little nervous when I see that, because it’s an opportunity for things to go wrong.

by Vlad on Sep 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Full article breaking down his swing over at Project Prospect.

by Adam Reynolds on Sep 4, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Pedro time frame at most if all goes well

by Slick1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be faster...

If he hits from the beginning. Could reach Triple A by the end of his first year.

ETHAN MARTIN!!!!

by joegonzo on Sep 3, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

or bypass AAA altogether

some believe he could play MLB right away

by white angus on Sep 3, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really disagree...

with that last statement. If you have followed next years draft at all, you will know that they consider it to have multiple elite players. So the Pirates may be choosing the best out of two or three elite guys next year. Rendon and Purke should easily be considered elite. I have even heard Purke compared to Kershaw….but BETTER. That would be insane.Rendon is often compared to Longoria, but with a better better and a slightly worse glove(Longoria is an elite fielder). There are also guys like Gerrit Cole, Taylor Jungmann, and Sonny Gray who all have the stuff to be number 1 starters. Next years draft is loaded. It would be a great year to have a number 1 pick. Especially with Rendon at the top(not worried about his injury) as someone who could be in the Rodriguez-Griffey range as a player when his career is over(those players are rare. Not even Price or Harper are considered that good).

ETHAN MARTIN!!!!

by joegonzo on Sep 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Well Said

Those college pitchers you mentioned have the potential to be incredible. The college crop of pitchers seems so good that even the 2nd tier college pitchers in next year’s draft (Armstrong, Hultzen) seem like they would have been picked ahead of guys like Sale, McGuire, and Pomeranz from this year. Of those college guys you mentioned, where are you on who is the best one? Seems to go back and forth between Cole and Purke for me, but I’m kind of leaning towards Cole…
Was curious (and this is for anyone who knows). Are the high school arms like Derek Norris and Archie Bradley on the Matzek/Taillon level from the last two years? It seems that this coming year you could get a guy with monster potential midway thru the first round. I’d be pretty stoked if the Bucs got guys like Rendon and Hultzen with their first two picks, like this year with Taillon and Allie.

by NastyNate82 on Sep 3, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just personally...

…I didn’t like Purke as much when he was in high school as I did Kershaw when he was.

YMMV, of course.

by Vlad on Sep 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

His delivery does look a little funky...

Didn’t get to see him much in the CWS. Cole’s stuff (although his command looks iffy) is incredibly impressive.

by NastyNate82 on Sep 3, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the Baltimore/Draft/Rendon thing goes, I am amazingly sick of hearing about it. It’s one of the reasons I’m spending far less time in game threads even though I’m watching nearly every game still. I’d prefer to root for my team even if I know they aren’t going to even come close to the playoffs.

by poorboywilly on Sep 3, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Same here, though after each loss I find some consolation in that we’re closer to getting the #1 pick. And it gives me a reason to root for the Orioles.

by TNbucs on Sep 3, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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