Braves vs. Pirates, 6 September 2010
by Charlie Wilmoth on Sep 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT
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Posting will probably be rather light over the next few days, since I'm moving from San Diego to Columbus, with a stop in Wisconsin on the way to pick up some things my girlfriend has stored there. I finished my degree and am excited to move closer to home - I'll be driving east to Morgantown a lot, which will give me plenty of excuses to take the detour to PNC, and I'll also be within driving distance of road games for three of the Bucs' minor-league teams. Oh, and my family lives near there too.
Speaking of the minor league teams, State College ended its season yesterday. It wasn't a terribly impressive season statistically, and it would have been nice to see more from Mel Rojas in particular. But it's always unwise to read too much into short-season stats, and probably the most important thing about the season was the fact that the Spikes had a bunch of teenage pitchers (Zack Von Rosenberg, Colton Cain, Zack Dodson, Zachary Fuesser, and Brooks Pounders, plus Trent Stevenson, who's technically 20 in baseball years but was drafted as a high schooler last year).
Von Rosenberg, in particular, bears watching next year - he struggled in his first few starts in June, then was lights out the rest of the way, with a 2.11 ERA and 3.5 strikeouts per walk in his last ten starts.
West Virginia ends its season today. This article says the team's attendance has been declining steadily, but I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with the Pirates, who gave the Power a competitive team this year. When I went to go see them this summer, there were a ton of people there, but it obviously wasn't much of a baseball crowd - it was dollar beer night, and most of the attendees seemed to be twentysomethings who turned the stadium's large concourse into a meat market. When the economy is particularly rough (and when beer isn't being sold for a dollar), those people just won't come out. The Pirates will probably send a bunch of bigger-name prospects, like Jameson Taillon and most of the teenage pitchers mentioned above, to West Virginia next year; it'll be interesting to see what effect they have.
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Pedro – should be moved down in the line up, the “accountability” concept, let him earn his way back up to the 5 hole with less strike outs, and a better two strike approach.
D’ohmit – if you can’t hold runners you are not a major league catcher, therefore we are spotting the Braves two runs off the bat.
Burres – just use your imagination
DY – should be on the bench, Milledge in his place
JR – should not be on the bench
Who in their right
…moves from San Diego to Columbus?
“Why did you move?” We’ll, I find sunshine boring and, more importantly, Columbus is nearly in Kentucky!
s.zielinski
Don't
listen to the naysayers, Charlie. I just moved to Columbus a few months ago for work. Great city. And the minor league stadium is like the PNC Park of the minors, no joke.
Stuck at work again,
Will miss another stinker. Poor me. Actually, poor you who hafta watch it.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 6, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Retail.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 6, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, cungratchamalayshums
On your gradjiashum, Charlie. Ms. C42 just got her Master’s in June. It’s a lotta hard work.
Stop in Chicago on yer way thru & let’s have a cold one.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 6, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Or Elgin
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 6, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
DY?
I have no faith that Bowker will be pan out, but come on JR, at least give him his shot.
Yeah, there's no need to waste starts on DY.
The PIrates know what they have in him by now. A poor fielding guy who brings some versatility and pinch hits pretty well, with the occasional spurts of power He’s not a starter and there’s nothing more to find out about him. Down the stretch, I would say start the guys you need to see, AKA Bowker and Ciriaco when he’s called up.
by Suffering Buc on Sep 6, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, this stuff pisses me off.
Play Bowker. DY is clearly a fringe bench player, DFA possiblity. We have 26 games left to see what we have in Bowker before we have to make a roster decision.
Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you
So Nate McLouth is in the line up for the Braves!
I’m blacked out here in Tennessee for a few days – let me know if he’s looking clueless or coming back to his old overachieving self…
Yes, at the folks house
I’m wondering when everyone wants to see my new works of art, I have one I call “JR’s Pirate Booty”, but maybe save this for when we lose.
so your going to unveil it in a couple of hours?
although the bucs strangely handle the good teams and get swept by the bottom dwellers.
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
JR could earn the "Booty" pic at any time, and there's the another one you inspired
Hopefully these will help inspire a round of “JR-Art” from the faithful.
cuz are you getting radio? i might be able to help
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
try this
http://www.firstrow.net/sports/baseball.html
follow the directions and if it says no go let it sit. it will load
Cedeno
I’m fine with trying to bunt on base on the first pitch, but trying it again when the defense is ready for it is just silly.
Walker!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
NFW bitches
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Damn...
they almost look like a baseball team today.
No jinx
I started my fantasy playoffs today.
I’ve been going with freaking Bill Hall at 2B for the last month and a half. I just noticed that someone picked up NFW the other day. It didn’t even occur to me that he might be available. So disappointed in myself.
Heh. I remember you mentioning that you were thinking of picking up Walker.
You didn’t mention you were starting Hall there. That would have made it a no-brainer.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
I wonder how many baseballs are in the hedge in Center
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
prolly 0 the grounds crew is allover that place
they have to trim the bush to keep it saying PIRATES
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently “using Gallagher and Park” isn’t in the playbook tonight, which is good.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Well, JR didn't leave Burres in too long either, which was good.
To this point in the game, there’s not a lot to complain about from JR.
(nojinxnojinxnojinx)
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
But he started DY in right and D'ohmit at catcher, so JR already tried to mess it up...
keep watching, JR’s strategy to lose will kick in soon enough!
Resop showing up as a good 7th inning guy
do we keep him or trade him next year?
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
I can't see us getting a whole ton for him, if Atlanta couldn't.
So I think we’d keep him.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
But Neal H
will work his Jedi mind tricks on some other GM
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
Resop for Kemp and Withrow from the Doyers, perhaps?
You can never say never with Colletti.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
He's arbitration eligible, right?
He won’t cost much, so might as well keep him. If he does well enough, sure, swap him for something useful.
I don’t feel like he’ll be lights-out over a whole year, though, but you never know.
I'd say keep Resop
Shop Meek and/or Hanrahan during the offseason to see what teams they’ll offer in return.
by BadAndy on Sep 6, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why?
Meek and Hanrahan are good, young, and under control for several more years. You keep assets like that.
Especially keep Hanrahan, as one or two years of closing will over-inflate his value. Then, you can trade him if necessary.
I'd much rather shop Meek than Hanrahan, if it came to that.
Hanrahan has the pure stuff to be ridiculously good, whereas I can’t see any further improvement by Meek. Frankly, I don’t think you can even lump the two of them together.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Even if Meek doesn't improve...
… he’s still a great setup-guy. Not sure why you want to get rid of him so badly, he’s a good pitcher.
Well, I did say "if it came to that".
I don’t think it should. It’s not necessarily that I want to get rid of Meek, either; it’s just that I really, really don’t want to get rid of Hanrahan, and that if I had to choose only one to keep, for some reason, it’s Hanrahan in a landslide.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
True
I’m hoping, though, that Hanrahan and Meek will be here in 2-3 years when we’re (hopefully) in contention. If we get blown away by a trade offer for either, or if it becomes apparent that they will hit free agency before we’re ready to make a push, then by all means, trade away.
But that goes for any player, of course, on the team…
im all for keepin Meek/Hanrahan but....
We have more pressing needs right now. We need power and top shelf starting pitching. If Meek or Hanrahan can get us one of those you do it.
by BadAndy on Sep 6, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a GoodAndy?
if so, why have no one ever seen him?
because its his good twin
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Lincoln struggled big time today
2.1IP, 4 ER, 5H, 5K, 3BB, 1HR
Was Resop a starter in the Braves system?
If so, do we look at stretching him out as a stopgap?
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
I don't think he's good consistent enough...
…to be a starter. Bad control and not consistent. There was a reason the braves released him, and that he was pitching in japan, after all…
No doubt
but we may need open auditions for our starting rotation next year
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
his meal ticket is his 95 mph FB
Curve barely bites lacks other pitches
He profiles as a back end reliever
by BadAndy on Sep 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he was.
And interestingly, they saw him exclusively as a starter; they absolutely would not use him as a reliever (I forget why; someone else might know). I’m certainly open to the idea, anyway, if none of Lincoln, Morton, Hart, or anyone else can prove themselves worthy of a rotation spot.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Sigh - your 2010 Bucs
We get a surprise start from Burress and a surprise meltdown from Resopson
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
Look, we really wouldn't mind having you in the gamethread.
If you could actually comment on the game, rather than continue to shove Smizik and company’s rhetoric down our throats.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
are you a pirate fan, shame on you you should be happy we are beating the first place braves.
sounds like your not a pirates fan.
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"BFD1 is not a pirate fan"
True, he is a fan of Pirates4Men.
Now you're bringing your Nutting crap to a gamethread?
Keep it up. It won’t be long til your banned from Bucs Dugout than you can join the Nutting Troll Patrol on twitter!
I like how three weeks ago, Smizik posted that the Bucs would fire JR so they could get a bump in the standings, because Nutting is too cheap to pay for a #1 pick. Now they are deliberately tanking to get the #1 pick. If you’re going to be delusional, at least be consistently delusional.
There's this quote in the post:
“I know it was suggested here recently that the Pirates were not interested in the No. 1 pick because of what such a player would cost, but that clearly was a faulty theory.”
Read: “That theory was astoundingly stupid, even for me.”
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Good for you for reading the entire post.
You’re a stronger man than I am.
Heh.
I do draw some amusement from him.
Clever of BFD1, too. His link automatically causes anyone who clicks on it to give the article positive feedback. Smart troll, there.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
It looked rather ugly on TV
had visions of Pedro’s throw going about 10 rows back. But he’s a gamer
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
That was a nice play by Pedro
who says he can’t stay at third
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Eh, he wasn't very impressive when I saw him Friday.
His lateral range leaves a little to be desired. He does have a good arm, though.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Its called sarcasim
I should have tagged it as such, sorry for the confusion
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Likely a little more time there
will cut down on errors, booted balls etc. I know he’s an older player, but college ball ain’t the MLB
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
Does DY stay or go next year?
I believe he’s out of options. While young, he doesn’t seem to have a position
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
we certainly have a logjam of guys competing for a spot or 2
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
moss, pearce, dy, doumit, bowker, millidge, jones, clement
all out of options
by karreemofwheat on Sep 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a great bench bat...
But if we need those spots for semi-prospects who might develop into something, he’s expendable.
He should go because he ends up getting too many starts
“to keep his bat hot”.
I doubt it
With the 1B/RF glut, and additions that are going to be made outside of the organization, I don’t see DY having a spot on the roster.
Stupid swinging bunts...
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
+1
Had a Bucs player hit that, it would have been hard enough to be an inning-ending DP
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
and because
we need to beat the habit of bad things happening to Pirates players
Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?!
JR's Window of Opportunity to mismanage the game into a loss is slowly closing
He may have to do something desperate soon…
It's Eric Hinske!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
I'm thinking about
Picking up that Espinosa kid from the Nats to replace Bill Hall. Thoughts?
Could be good...
… but the natinals are retarded and will give a bunch of starts to Adam Kennedy and the like, so tread lightly.
This might be a good idea.
I really like Espinosa, myself. He was a 20-20 player in the minors this year, which is pretty rare – even more so for a MI. And you’re replacing Bill Hall, which is good.
titanlord is right, though, about the Kennedy thing.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
I picked him up.
I traded for Holliday at the deadline, and JD Drew’s been on my bench ever since. So I dumped him, and I’ll have Hall on my bench for days Espinosa sits.
Eric Henskie is fat
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
little debbies
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Hinske is merely husky.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Holy Crap...
… if anyone is watching on Gameday, check out the spot for pitch number 2 to Hinske that got called a ball. That is miserable umpiring…
Looks like Pitching today might well take the managing problem out of JR's hands today
My “JR Art” wil have to be unveiled tomorrow…
Raise IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Raise it!
Great game.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Final
Orioles 4, Yankees 3. So best of both worlds. Best of all three worlds really, since it’s always nice to see the Yankees lose.
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