propaganda machine at work - "promising future"
by BFD1 on Sep 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT
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PrintNutting & Regime basically work on the (roughly) four year cycle system.
That is ....Every four to five years they come up with a list of prospects (in most cases Problem Prospects).
They begin their little propaganda game by anointing these players as the "new future" of the Pittsburgh Pirates....or (as most recently heard) The New Dynasty.
Within two years (as the salaries creep up so slightly) they begin dismantling the core. They poke holes in the skills of certain players, quietly label them trouble makers, or whatever else they can dream up to justify the giveaway.
Within the four to five year period....Poof!....They're gone!!
Let's take a brief look at some examples:
'97...Jose Guillen, Freddy Garcia, Ron Wright, Tony Womack, Rich Loiselle, Midre Cummings
'00...Brian Giles, Kevin Young, Warren Morris, Aramis Ramirez, Chad Hermanson, Kris Benson, Jose Silva
'04...Jack Wilson, JJ Davis, Jose Bautista, Oliver Perez, Kip Wells, John Van Benshcoten, Tike Redman
'08...Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Freddie Sanchez, Nate McLouth, Matt Capps, Zach Duke, Paul Maholm
Pro Nutters - Before you try to tell me these players had no potential, were never any good, etc....Don't bother.
I have followed the Pirates diligently, and I've been fed the potential of all of these players by the Nutting Regime.
And ....20/20 is hindsight.
All of these players were projected no differently than McCutchen, Tabata, Walker, etc.
Anyone that says differently was not aware of the situation at the time....Or they are stretching the truth.
I will say that many of them (early in their career) were on teams that finished with a better record than this present team.
It's now a new round of this little game....And be prepared to see it torn apart sooner than you expect.
Welcome to the latest cycle!
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don't feed it.........
if he starves, he’ll go away…or die.
by bucket of jim bibby sweat on Sep 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
So because some prospects don’t work out, all of them don’t work out?
I’m also wondering — who currently in our top ten is considered a ‘problem prospect’
I’m curious.
by ryebr3ad on Sep 9, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Naw,
Flo and Eddie wanted to go sing with Zappa.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 9, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
"Illegal, Immoral and Fattening"
I used to play that on the college radio station.
And read “Flo and Eddie’s Blind Date.”
So basically, Tike Redman = Andrew McCutchen?
My whole perception of the whole just changed.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
of the world*
I’m having a terrible couple of days.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Here is a FANTASTIC article on Ron Wright
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/sports/baseball/15wright.html
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
I have a question
if Iwamura came to Pittsburgh and performed at exactly his average performance over the last 3 years for the first 3 months of the season, what do you think we could have flipped him for?
Cool question.
To Ned Colletti: Dee Gordon and Jerry Sands
To anyone else: one B prospect and filler, or something like that.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
BurgherKing
“What do you think we could have flipped him for?”
A Whopper with the works.
lol
but I was actually serious there. It was one of my bigger disappointments, because I thought Aki was a near-lock to have some value at the trade deadline, and that we’d get back at least a young reliever for him. Pity!
every baseball expert
called the Aki signing one of the best pickups in the spring, saying that he could easily fill the shoes of Freddie.
The wave looks more promising this time…
McCutchen, Walker, Alvarez, Tabata, T.Sanchez, McDonald, Morris, Owens, Locke, Hanrahan, Meek.
As always, it remains to be seen. Probably will need to trade for an ace to make it work.
Aaaaaand…on the route to 100 losses comments again!
At least we’re mostly not responding to the OP.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
BFD1 has a valid point
Pirate ownership continues a similar pattern just as the results of the team do too. One other thing, the current owners harps about accountability but his actions speak louder than his words. What a shame and a disgrace the Pirates are.
Who are the pirates?
What is this thread about again?
you've missed the point completely
The point is that turtles are cool.
"I choose to gamble with my life
Twice the risk, four times the prize
Nothing knocks me over"
by lighthouse913 on Sep 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They're amphibians...
…so they’re cold-blooded by nature, if I remember my elementary school science correctly.
Therefore, by definition, they are cool.
Got it!
Looks like my ten year High School reunion.
I couldn’t believe how many skinny guys got fat.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 9, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren't they reptiles?
Still cold-blooded, though, and still cool.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Juan
u sir a very astute
Glad to see your very knowledgeable post
I hope you post more often! “we” need more knowledgeable posters like you & I.
buttt
what about ME BFD1!!!! Why can’t I have your approval tooooooo??? It would mean the world to me
he had to have created juan pizarro,
his other aliases include I.P. Freely, amanda huginkiss, and al coholic.
by SHOOTFOR2010 on Sep 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
…he should have gone with “Juan Bizarro” and started writing like the Superman villain talks, where everything is opposite from the way things are on Earth.
Actually, if he did that, his posts would make a whole lot more sense.
I’m a geek, and unapologetically so.
Rec'd, because I lol'd.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
this is
possibly the least intelligent post by this guy. don’t EVER try to convince a pirates fan that midre cummings, freddie garcia and ron wright were good and talented.
what’s next, pirates blew it when they dumped scott bullet?
Ron Wright was good, and talented.
And then he got one of the main nerves in his leg accidentally severed during back surgery.
Oops.
Okay, I was reading this thread on my work PC with customers pretty close by
and I actually had to close my thread at this point to keep from cracking up uncontrollably.
Seat the lame!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
by wg1of5 on Sep 11, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seal the tame!
Eh, best I could do.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
OK, just one thing, and then I'll stop
I’ve grouped all these guys and gotten their career WAR (from Fangraphs).
Group 1: 10.7 (That’s w/ one less player than the rest, but wow!)
Group 2: 121.3 (Buoyed obviously by Giles and Ramirez)
Group 3: 39.6 (Jack Wilson and Kip Wells lead!)
Group 4: 78.2 (Not bad, considering)
Group 5: 25.1 (OP had Cutch, Tabata, Walker. I added Hanny, Maholm, McDonald, and Pedro)
A couple things here. The Pirates have had a lot of bad players…but most of these are not on Nutting/NH anyway, whatever, doesn’t matter.
The main point is this: Going on career WAR, this crop looks very promising. When you consider that these guys have about 12 years of Major League experience between them.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
get out of here
with yer logic and reason
typical nutter… tryin ta trick me with his fancy pants words and numbers
I'm worried about some people on Bucs Dugout:
What’s going to happen in the offseason?
glad somebody continued that reference
bustin’ makes me feel good
He's right -
this man has no dick.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray's gone bye-bye. Egan, what have you got?
Sorry, Venkman. I’m terrified beyond the capability for rational thought.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
who the hell rec'd this?
can you rec your own posts? This crap doesn’t need rec’d, it needs wreck’d.
Just want everyone to know I have 2 pet turtles,
a male and a female. They enjoy eating, basking, and listening to the band Sleep. I had to separate them into different tanks, sadly, when the male grew up and realized he had a penis and a hankerin’ for some lovin’.
Also: TAIL THE SPLEEN
Lov'in
i am sure more than a few here have had dry spell so long theyd b willing to give ur turtles lov’in slappy
Pass the Poutine!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 9, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
.
.My work here is done, then.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
HI-OOOHHHH!!
No actually that was juvenile and unfunny. my B!
I was concerned when I saw the original post
Thankfully, the level of insightful baseball commentary in the thread rapidly increased from the OP.
Speaking of turtles,
I emceed the Turtle Races for 10 years at this bar in Marina Del Rey.
Yes, turtle races.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Which reminds me
I ought to get back to the turtle racing bar down the street from me. It’s been too long.
You're in Ravenswood?
I’m in Rogers Park.
And I didn’t know they still did those races at Big Joe’s. How are they structured?
It’s funny – when I was getting ready to move to CHI from LA, people told me I should go get a job emceeing there.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Andersonville
But within walking distance (and much closer to Hopleaf, which lacks turtle races but is awesome). Up until last fall, I was just off the Morse Red Line, actually.
It’s been a while since I’ve actually made it to Big Joe’s on a Friday, but they still advertise the turtle races, and they run probably six or so evenly spaced out from 10 until just before close, which is nice as it allows pretty much anyone who wants to to get a number and participate. Can get a little packed, but the racing is a little removed from the main section of the bar (in that it’s up on a little landing), so that splits the crowd up pretty well.
Hell, Andersonville
is right next door.
We’ll have to get together for a drink sometime.
Shoot me an email to the addy on my profile.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing says the "new future" or "no [different] than McCutchen, Tabata, Walker, etc" like a 31-year-old Kevin Young or a 29-year-old Xavier Nady.
by MBandi on Sep 10, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What does this have to do with turtles, Matt,
except that Young and Nady run like them?
;-)
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And to think
I wasn’t going to wander into this one.
Good show, y’all!
(Except for the moron at the very top.)
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