Smizik blog (this was funny)
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
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I know many of you in here do not like Bob Smizik and he tends to blast the Pirates on a regular basis. It is very easy to do and the Pirates are easy pickings. However, I remember reading Dejans interview with the owner last winter and it was funny reading it back then, it is now flat out hysterical. As much of a loyal Pirate fan anyone can be, how can you take anything the owner or for that matter, anyone in upper managent says as being credible? This guy would be better off just keeping his mouth shut and staying out of the public. What a fool!!
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Am I the only one who thinks
that if you were walking down the street and say Bob Nutting, you would think he still lived with mom and played D&D
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
How about Huntington keep his job, essentially for the trades made this year alone?
Russell should be canned, though.
by ryebr3ad on Sep 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
maybe but
the new manager would have to be a Yes Man puppet like JR take and orders from NH.
You can not fire the owner but the Prez comes across as a misleading used car salesperson, the GM is drafting better, but the trades as a whole seem questionable at best and a carboard cut out could replace Russel and be an improvement. Can them all if you mean what you say about accountability
We got a two top prospects for a 36 year old reliever
and a above average catcher and a top prospect for a 31 year old middle level reliever, a journeyman infielder, a guy who can’t hit and a mid-level prospect. Those deal alone should allow NH to keep his job
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
who?
are the top and mid level prospects in your post? (I assume the two top prospects are JMac and Lambo?)
Got my trades mixed up
We got a Bowker and Joe Martinez for Javier Lopez, and got a Ciriaco and Chris Snyder for DJ Carrasco, Bobby Crosby and He of the .180 BA. Jmac and Lambo for Octavio. Not bad return for three aging relievers
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
this is still amazes me
but how can some people still think NH is not doing a better job than what we had before? He is only drafting better? No, he is drafting 100x better.
His trades seem questionable? Lets let you be GM of the Mariners for a day and see what you can get for Jack Wilson. Or how about the GM of the Braves, and lets see what you can get for Nate McClouth.
but Jack Wilson was our leader on the field
we almost won 70 games year in, year out with that team, yo!!! much much better than dealing him and losing 100 games this year
It came across to me that the past GMs
were restricted budget wise when drafting. So NH is drafting the best available on the board(what most teams do) and not the most signable or cheaper draft pick. That only came about when the MLB roster and payroll was cut to the bone. I look at the trades of the entire NH tenure and its not good…and more important the MLB team has declined..and next year looks bleak too.
it looks bleak now
but next season is 6 months away. why dontcha relax and wait til april before ya get upset… lean back, pop a cold one, relaaaaaaaaax… breathe innnnnnnnn, breathe outttttttttttt….
remember when everyone griped before spring training..
that our bullpen was crap?? what did neal do? went out and made it our strong point. NH can do it again.
and then the bullpen was weakened
I’m not upset….expectations for the worst team in baseball can not be high.
I look at the trades of the entire NH tenure and its not good
Examples? The Bay trade is the obvious one of course, but that’s one out of about….. 10 or so. Maybe more
exactly
where are all of these bad trades?
arent all managers this way?
who pays the bills? thats just yinzer talk… and how come all yinzers talk considerable trash about the team, but yet they say “long loyal pirate fan”…?
an idiot on the blog called Nutting a...
carpetbagger. this alone makes the entire article laughable… not the repeated bashing of nutting for the 7000 time, so sayeth wvkeeper, but the smiziky followers complete lack of branches on the family tree… wait, im sorry, i take it back, i insulted trees. trees serve great purpose in life itself, smizikers do not.
say what you want about some of the people
who comment on that blog, but read what the owner said. When you read what he says(not the first time either)the guy is either delusional, cluesless or a liar. (Maybe all 3) If you didnt get a laugh out of that I wonder if you have a sense of humor
is the owner supposed to say his team is crap?
seriously? the pirates FO know more about the game and the BUSINESS of the game than any of us, or any of the yinzers, could ever know. None of us are proNutting, or Nutters, or whatever. we just see the changes inthe franchise that the Smizikzombies do not. as of right now, i could care less how many losses we get this year. i dont care about winning 81 games next season. if you cant see an improvement in the franchise as a whole since NH and FC took over, then you really should seek therapy…
by white angus on Sep 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No he should not say
we’re gonna cuck again, lose 100 or more games and continue being a joke, but he should not make the foolish comments. He might be better off to shut his mouth. As per knowing more about the game?….they know all about the business aspect, the game?….the results prove they know the least comared to their peers.
i could care less how many losses we get this year. i dont care about winning 81 games next season.
Think about that…..most fans of a team want to care…..want to care about this year and next year…..if you read the owners comments before each season…you are supposed to feel there is hope…..but you’re right….for the near future, it doesnt matter….so when it does not matter…whats the point?
Its like listening to a garage band…..they suck, they’re out of tune, not in rythym….but a young drummer and guitarist are being groomed and may join the band in a few years and may that make them better. In the meantime, why do I want to listen to off key sour notes? Before they play, the band owner promotes them as a viable band worth your time to listen, you listen and it sounds like cats crying & banging around in a dumpster.
You dont listen anymore and you know the band owner is full of it. Just like the Pirates owner.
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
the game?….the results prove they know the least comared to their peers.
Alternately, they’re doing what they can after letting someone (Littlefield) who had no idea what he was doing run things for several years. What precisely did you want to get in return for a bunch of guys who were league-average-ish but aging and about to enter free agency? Would you have gotten a better deal if you still had DL demanding way more than was reasonable?
Think about that…..most fans of a team want to care…..want to care about this year and next year
Most people here are concerned with the long term viability of the Pirates as a contending team, and recognize that the best way to do that is to follow the template that several other organizations have used to rebuild their franchises, rather than driving for a .500 team by acquiring over-the-hill veterans and “Major League Ready” replacement players.
Its like listening to a garage band…..they suck, they’re out of tune, not in rythym….but a young drummer and guitarist are being groomed and may join the band in a few years and may that make them better.
If any band ever worked this way, you might have a coherent analogy.
In the meantime, why do I want to listen to off key sour notes?
You don’t, so you should concern yourself with listening to the band that the future guitarist is in. Curve broadcasts are free online; listen to those.
Before they play, the band owner promotes them as a viable band worth your time to listen, you listen and it sounds like cats crying & banging around in a dumpster.
1) Band owner? Do bands have owners? Bands I have been in have not had owners.
2) What precisely do you want him to do? Tell you that acquiring the people who are ready to play is unfeasable, and that casual fans are going to have to suck it up and deal for the time being because the process of trying to bring in people whose skills are deteriorating at the expense of the future is what got us into this situation, and it takes a while to correct it? I’d try to work that into the band analogy, but it’s too nonsensical to bother.
You dont listen anymore and you know the band owner is full of it. Just like the Pirates owner.
Yes. He’s telling Dejan what people who aren’t going to bother following the minor leagues want to hear. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the rebuilding efforts are misguided.
Really
Smizik is the last one who should be playing this game. How many predictions has he made over the years that turned out to be laughgbly wrong?
How bout this one:
Keep Nady; gamble with pitching
How much worse off would we be if Neal had taken his advice and signed Nady to a long-term deal? The mind boggles.
here is the difference
Smizik and his opinions are wrong often. I am not a Smizik defender. However the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates making those comments is a different matter…he is not a retired or semi retired blog writer. He owns the Pirates …the laughingstock of MLB. As foolish and as funny as his outlandish comments were, its also sad at the same time.
Which comments?
The ones about Iwamura and Church helping the team? Those are only foolish in retrospect, both of those guys had been successful in MLB before. The accountability stuff? Corporate boilerplate, but what do you want him to say?
I’m not sure what you expect Nutting to say. As owner, of course he’s going to present an optimistic outlook to the media. What would you have him say?
What would you have him say?
(crickets)
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 9, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He should keep his mouth shut
the comments he made were a laughable insult to anyone who knows anything about baseball and it makes him out to be a non credible person. He deserves every ounce of criticism.
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That would totally have insulated him from this kind of criticism.
“Pirates Owner refuses to comment on team” is a terrific headline and does not open itself at all to accusations that he’s using the team as a cash cow without actually trying to improve the product on the field.
Not at all.
Yeah apparently he can't say anything
without being criticized, yet saying nothing would be criticized as well. There is no right answer here apparently.
by titanlord91 on Sep 10, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
when your team is historically bad
you do want to tread carefully. There really isnt a right answer, but they need to do a much better job if they open their mouths.
by BurgherKing on Sep 10, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not as though there's no precedent.
Unless I wasn’t paying attention and Tampa Bay was sold to Mario in 2008.
Mario also owned
the Yankees from 1996-2000. and in 2009.
Exactly. It’s not like we paid Ozzie Guillen to say the team is on the up-and-up. Of course, he’s probably suckling the Nutting titties to, eh?
Well then.
I think that visual means I’m going to be vomiting for the rest of my life.
+1
juan
Well said
Be prepared for Nutters 2 attack
I love that article.
I posted a link to it on his blog once and he deleted my comment. He can dish it out, but he certainly can’t take it. :-)
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 9, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no there is a recent spike in trolling
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Juan Pizarro-
thought you died while destroying the Inca Empire.
What’s your next user name? Juan Ponce de Leon?
Nutting is too cheap
to fund an expedition to the unexplored lands to the northwest of the island of Hispaniola.
by murphspot on Sep 9, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 9, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nahh...
he’s still alive…73 and pitched for the Pirates twice.
but this guy ain’t him, obviously
He's back,
and he’s going to brutally persecute each and every one until they renounce their pagan superstitions and come to the LIGHT of the Nutting-is-Satan faith.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
He's done with the Incan Empire
now he’s tryin to take out the Stinkin’ Empire.
because they dont exist
they exist only in the minds of trolls
I honestly don’t think this guy is a troll. Just frustrated. BFD is an obvious troll, based on his rhetoric alone.
Frustrated people can be trolls
even if they dont realize it.
A good lesson for both the internet and real life is when you’re frustrated with something, take a moment to step back and analyze it intelligently. Then you can usually form an intelligent opinion about it and don’t end up spewing nonsense and trolling.
+1
I don’t think someone is a troll just because I don’t agree with their opinions. Senor Pizarro is calmly and politely stately his opinion and does not deserve to be called a troll for his efforts. Save the troll moniker for posters who spout baseless rhetoric with vitriol.
Sorry, but this guy is an obvious troll. Just because he’s doing it in a more “rational” manner, doesn’t make it any less trollish behavior. He comes and spouts typical anti-Nutting or Anti-FO rhetoric,(again maybe in a more “rational” way than most, but it’s basically the same-old same-old), then says Huntingdon’s trades have been bad and when asked to back that up with even one example, surprise, surprise, suddenly vanishies. Not interested in a discussion of issues. Only interested in hit-and-run posting to get people riled up.Classic troll behavior.
Smizik
Is the only media member willing to go after B-nut
Smizik is a media man among boyz
SALE THE TEAM TO SMIZIK
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he may be more
suited to Graucho Marx
I
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 9, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Like
Boyz-2-Men style Boyz?
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
word to your mother.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 12, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And Stupure Mario will help HA HA HA .
Nutting has only owned the team since 2007 .This is not K Mc. he is not racking in he money . He is letting things be done the right way !
why all these posts
about turtles today?
"I choose to gamble with my life
Twice the risk, four times the prize
Nothing knocks me over"
by lighthouse913 on Sep 9, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I like how Smizik points out all the bad veterans picked up, but none of the good ones. Please show me one team that only signs good veteran free agents in the off season.
everyother team
you didn’t know that, only the Pirates sign bad players
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Don't wory, I'm an untrained professional" WVPF
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Sep 10, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Octavio Dotel and Javier Lopez.....
Instead, he traded closer Octovio Dotel and Javier Lopez, the team’s top left-handed reliever. As near as I can tell, the primary reason for doing this was salary relief. Same old, same old, it seems.
But if the Pirates kept Dotel next season, he’d be due $4.5 million. The Pirates, not surprisingly, wanted no part of that. So instead of declining the option at some point in the off-season, when it would clearly be a financial move, the Pirates attempted to cloud the issue by trading him.
Once he was dealt for pitcher James McDonald and outfielder Andrew Lambo, the Pirates were a lesser team — today and for next season.
………….
The only way to explain trading an effective left-handed reliever for two non-prospects is money. Lopez is due arbitration next season. Based on the fact he has a 2.79 ERA and that left-handers are batting .204 against him, his less than $1 million salary would probably escalate to more than $2 million.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 10, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew this is probably fruitless to post since most of us are well aware, but McDonald has provided more value in his starts since coming over than Dotel would have provided all of this season and next, and if McDonald continues near to provide anywhere near the level of production next year…you get the picture.
Anyway, here are two relievers the Pirates have had played from them in the time since they traded Dotal and Lopez; Ledezma and Resop. In that time Ledezma has accumulated 0.3 WAR and Resop 0.2. What did Dotel and Lopez provide while they were Pirates? 0.3 and 0.1 respectively. The conclusion one could draw being that somewhat competent relief pitching is not the hardest thing to acquire.
Of course, Smizik doesn’t usually care about dealing with WAR or advanced metrics, or for that matter reality itself. All he seems to care about is painting any trade he can with the broad brush of a “salary dump”.
I know most of the crap posted by BFD is trolling, but I must say…
He talks about ‘posting the facts’, but what can he say about this? Not only is what we got in the trade performing better than what was traded, but the pieces used to replace them are better than them already.
Ledezma seems to be a keeper. If he can pull of a Javier Lopez type ERA with his type of fastball, just imagine what we can grab from the Dodgers for that.
Yep yep
And even if you discount McDonald and Lambo out of hand as non-prospects (which is laughable) and even if Resop and Ledezma don’t pitch OK, it still makes room for Hanny and Meek, both of whom are much better than Dotel.
I guess what I’m saying is that even if this was a salary dump (it wasn’t)….it was a really good salary dump.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
Once he was dealt for pitcher James McDonald and outfielder Andrew Lambo, the Pirates were a lesser team — today and for next season.
This line absolutely pisses me off. Idiots like this should not be allowed to have their opinions be heard in public. This is straight up anti-FO propaganda. F**k Smizik.
Interesting
An article was posted that contained all the foolish comments the Pirate owner made. So what do most of the people in here do? Attack Smizk, call me a troll?…..all missing the point…this ownership is not credible and incompetent.
They call you a troll because you can’t even answer a simple question like “Which trades don’t you like?” after you say “I look at the trades of the entire NH tenure and its not good”. You hyperbolise and carry on and say nothing new.
I look at how the trades overall
have helped the MLB team. The results speak for themself.
Again this post was about the owner and his foolish comments and you deflect this into a GM topic? How can you or anyone defend what the owner says?
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to say, though i was defending you above as not being a troll b/c you lack the vitriol typically spewed by BFD, you have basically refused to answer a simple question posed in response to your statement:
I look at the trades of the entire NH tenure and its not good
So what people are looking for is a more specific response as to which trades were bad in your estimation rather than a blanket statement saying they’re all bad. Would you rather have Dotel or McDonald/Lambo? Church/Crosby/Carrasco or Snyder/Ciriaco? Locke/Morton/Hernandez or McClouth? Marte/Nady or Tabata/McCutchen/Hansen/Ohlendorf? Making blanket codemnations w/o any specifics are why people are calling you a troll. You can easily shed this label if you would just respond with specifics.
Regarding your original post, people here agree that the front office says stupid things, and would be better served to parse their words more carefully, but are you really just cherry picking stupid FO quotes and then looking at the record of the major league team as you entire evaluation of the current state of the franchise? I think you would be better served to look at the front office’s actions as opposed to their public statements.
Politically, they can’t really say, ‘The franchise has been run so shoddily for the past 15 years that the only option was to strip it down completely and then rebuild it the right way. Unfortunately, that means we’re going to suck for a few years, but at least you’ll get to watch interesting young players rather than the has-beens and retreads that were foisted upon you in an attempt to win 82 games every year.‘ But their actions say exactly that, so I would tend to believe that is what they’re really thinking.
Actually...
‘The franchise has been run so shoddily for the past 15 years that the only option was to strip it down completely and then rebuild it the right way. Unfortunately, that means we’re going to suck for a few years
NH said almost these exact words at a luncheon I got to attend just days before the 08 season began where him and FC where the keynote speakers. He also said he was going to be a very unpopular man in Pittsburgh for a while and that if his plan didn’t show progress at the MLB level in about 5 years that he should be fired. He acknowledged the risks he was taking and expects to be held accountable. The part I found most shocking about his blatant honesty was that all of the players were there in the room listening to the same speach.
Put on your dancin' shoes.
Like I said
they should not say a word. They have zero credibility. I’ve yet to read anyone defend those foolish owner comments.
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How do they have zero credibility?
I mean, I’m with you on Nutting and Coonelly sometimes talking too much for their own good…but that’s a PR problem.
With the baseball aspect of things, so far this has been a pretty textbook rebuild. Sure there have a been a couple of trade misses, but by and large, this is how a team in the Pirates situation has to rebuild. That’s where I look for credibility, not in newspaper interviews where they’re trying to do some (probably misguided) PR.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
i agree about the PR problems
like the prancing Pierogi debacle for starters. and the smizikers keep harping about the “dynasty” comment, which was completely taken out of context by the yinz. when the leader of your franchise talks about starting a dynasty, you would think the fans would be stoked that the FO is hopeful they have started something amazing… but nooooooooo, because the 2010 team is performing badly, it says that FC is senile and ignorant??? hardly.
by white angus on Sep 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would someone feel forced to defend them? Despite what you may think, people aren’t here to blindly advocate for the current front office or owner. They’re here to discuss baseball and specifically the Pirates. You do understand that the world is not black and white? You don’t have to either love everything the current management does or hate everything they do. You can actually make independent assessments for specific moves.
Again, no one is disputing that the FO and owner sometimes say stupid things. Feel free to laugh at them when they do it. If your expectation is to come here and have everyone blindly defend/condemn anything the FO does, then you are going to be sadly dissappointed.
But, as was mentioned above, don’t you think it’s ridiculous to say that the FO should go completely silent? Is that not more controversial than making the occasional ridiculous statement?
Better for them to be silent than
spew their over the top foolish comments.
Botton line is that if the team was a contender, the foolish statements would be overlooked…but the teams stinks and it makes it even worse
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
[crickets chirping]
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
I look at how the trades overall have helped the MLB team.
There’s your problem. This is a ridiculous way to judge a rebuilding effort, even leaving out that you’re specifically ignoring how the trades have effected the MLB team and refuse to name which deals you take issue with.
EXACTLY
There is a reason baseball has 6+ levels of minor leagues. If you aren’t a troll, you obviously don’t understand how the system of baseball works.
Are you a troll, or are you ignorant?
by titanlord91 on Sep 10, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
aparently
it only matters what the MLB team is doing… .500 baby!!!!!!!!!
by white angus on Sep 10, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Well sure.
Just like the best way to judge, let’s say, cancer research is to look solely at “has every cancer been cured?” and nothing else. Obviously, if the end goal (curing all cancers) has not been achieved, then it doesn’t matter what’s gone on behind the scenes and in less publicized avenues, nor that at some point in the future the goal might be realized.
At which point you sale the Johns-Hopkins. I guess.
The results speak for themself.
So, in other words, you cannot – or will not – answer the question asked of you.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for a while, but yours is typical trollish behavior, couched in better spelling than the others we’re used to.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, try to wrap your brain around this. The trades were not made to improve the Major League team. They were made to improve the organization…and most of them have done just that.
The rule 5 pick of Meek was not made to improve the MLB club then…it has now. The Nady deal was not made to improve the MLB team then…it has now. See how this works? Get it yet?
Ok fine.
Bob Nutting shouldn’t have said it. But you know who else said the Pirates would do better in 2010? PECOTA and CHONE. Are they incompetent and not credible? Or is it just the Pirates owner? Should we expect a column blog entry from Smizik about how laughable PECOTA or CHONE is?
Despite the product at the major league level, the Pirates organization made some credible moves to improve the team long term. Signing Jameson Taillon, Stetson Allie and Luis Heredia were good moves by the organization. They got good years out of Bryan Morris, Rudy Owens, Jeff Locke and Justin Wilson at AA. Injury aside, they got some good play out of Starling Marte, Tony Sanchez and Brock Holt. The overall health of the organization is a hell of a lot better than it was on September 7, 2007.
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 10, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
they said 70 wins or a .43 %
that is not over the top and foolish like the owner
The MLB team is the worst in MLB….but who cares…it doesnt matter….lets jump up and down because there are some suspects, er uh..prospects who may or may not help in 2 or 3 years. Look how low your expectations have become.
You're not going to respond to that trade question are you?
You’ve had ample opportunity at this point and yet you’ve completely avoided it. This is why people have labeled you a troll, and I have to say, at this point, I agree.
+1
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I answered your trade question
maybe not the way you wanted, but answered.
Has the MLB team become better because of trades? No
Will it be better in the future? I hope so…to the point it might become a contender? Have my doubts
Is the owner and Prez credible? No
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If the question is “What specific trades do you take issue with and why?” and your answer is “None of the trades have helped the MLB team in the 2010 season”, then you haven’t answered the question. You’ve answered a different question, which has very little to do with the long-term success of the franchise.
As per 2010 trades
I saw them as a wash. As per all trades under NH…again the results speak for themself
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Results are more better players that are younger and cheaper, plus a minor league system that is a bajillion times better than what NH was given.
Also, here’s the WAR for (most, I might have missed a couple) of the players we traded and the players we got at the MLB level:
Traded: Bay, Sanchez, McLouth, Wilson, Snell, Gorzellany, Nady, Marte, Ad. LaRoche, Morgan, Burnett, Dotel——-TOTAL WAR: 10.3
Received: Morton, Milledge, Tabata, An. LaRoche, Ohlie, Karstens, McDonald, Ronny Cedeno, Jeff Clement, Hanny——TOTAL WAR: 12.5
They are younger and cheaper. A few of them are still improving, while no one that we traded is getting any better (though Gorzo has had a nice resurgence). AND this is to say nothing of the players who haven’t come up to the Bigs yet.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
I should add also that 60% of the WAR
for the players traded is accounted for by Bay.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
FireRickReilly
"The results speak for themselves"
is meaningless if you refuse to look at anything except the 2010 MLB team.
all players we're prospects at one time or another
even the yankees have players that came up through the system. our minor leagues were abysmal for years!!!!!! the only good players we had 3 years ago came from trades with other teams; bay, sanchez, wilson, nady, bautista (gag)… all were aquired from other MLB teams. so what if the MLB team is bad right now. the best hope Pitt has to producing a winner is producing home grown talent, and a steady flow at that.
by white angus on Sep 10, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
How many wins did the Pirates’ owner predict this year? I wasn’t aware that there was a number. He said they’d win more games. CHONE said they’d win more games. I, and most of the people here said they’d win about 70 – 74 games this year, which would be more games.
As far as our expectations, yes, we have reasonable expectations. We know how difficult it is to build a winning baseball team when you start with nothing.
You are just the typical fan who doesn’t understand that the key to success in Pittsburgh lies in the minor leagues, and building that from scratch takes many years.
by MarkInDallas on Sep 10, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ok then
why have an owner and prez make absurd comments? Read the comments. Are you not insulted by the foolishness?
by Juan Pizarro on Sep 10, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We ARE insulted by the foolishness.
But for some reason my friends here keep responding to your comments anyway.
Who cares what the front office says?
They could spout anti-semitism for all I care, what matters is that they are building a franchise the intelligent way.
She'd have the anti-semite part covered.
The intelligence, not so much.
[spittake]
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Sep 10, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why should I be insulted?
Why is it absurd for the owner to say “We have to do better” or “We’ll win more games this year”? Why is it absurd to say the GM has augmented the team with some valuable veteran free agents, when in fact, that actually turned out to be true?
The majority of the veteran relief pitchers acquired did well, but of course, Smizy and your ilk forget about those. You only look at the veterans that didn’t do well. Guess what? Chances are backup players like Church and Crosby are not going to be huge contributors to the team. Why make a big deal out of the fact they didn’t do well? They were acquired to be backups and to hopefully catch lightning in a bottle and bring back some younger talent in trade.
The only really disappointing player acquired was Aki Iwamura. OK, he tanked, but what is truly absurd is to slam the owner because a key acquisition showed up out of shape to spring training! Why is that his fault?
What is completely absurd is to expect the owner of the team or ANYONE to know exactly how the season is going to play out.
by MarkInDallas on Sep 10, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Mark.
Said everything so I don’t have to. :-)
by IAPiratesFan on Sep 10, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was wrong. You’re a troll and an idiot.
by ryebr3ad on Sep 10, 2010 2:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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