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"On the other hand, Jordy Freakin’ Mercer was +11 in 56 pro games in 2008, +27 in 137 games in 2009, and +23 in 142 games in 2010, so that looks legit. He just needs to find a replacement level bat, or he’ll be Ronnie Cedeno with an even better glove."

(Brian Cartwright, author of the OLIVER projection system. That's better than the Cedeno we have, but I don't know how he gets his defensive numbers.)

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Anyone know...

what defensive stat THT uses? Also rec’d. This needs to be up top and not lost at the bottom as a FanShot.

by Slick1 on Jan 24, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

All I can find is this

From the description of the OLIVER projection system:

The WAR statistic for hitters, by the way, is based on both hitting and fielding. To evaluate the latter, I have developed a fielding system which is based on detailed play-by-play data (and yes, it will be updated weekly in-season).

So basically it’s a proprietary system and I have no idea how it works. But from the little I understand of fielding metrics, it’s a better sign to have three really good years than to have one spectacular year (like Nyjer the year we traded him). Given how much noise there is in the signal, more years is better.

The linked article notes that OLIVER’s fielding projections have a really wide spread (and that this makes Mercer look like a big-leaguer even if he can’t hit), but this goes along with a couple of other systems — read this article to see why there’s some reason to think systems like UZR and Total Zone don’t give a wide enough spread. Also for some sweet, sweet Jeter haterade.

(And thanks for the recs, guys.)

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 24, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I can never pass up

some Jeter haterade. Delicious.

by MDBuc on Jan 25, 2011 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they use Total Zone

That’s pretty much all that exists for the minor leagues. I’m not really sure where the average person can get it anymore, though. They used to have it on MinorLeagueSplits, but the site seems to have been pretty much taken down.

by ElDuce on Jan 24, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

Baseball Reference has Total Zone through 2009, and their stats for Mercer aren’t nearly as flashy as the ones Cartwright reports.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 24, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

just too many defensive metrics out there. when MLB-MiLB recognizes only one, then i’ll actually believe it

There are also too many states. Please eliminate three.

P.S. – I am not a crackpot.

by Vlad on Jan 25, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How about...

Arkansas, Alabama and South Carolina?

by Slick1 on Jan 25, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What're the chances

of Hawaii seceeding? They’re all the way out in the middle of the ocean.

by BlindSquirrel on Jan 26, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

With the pre-2010 TZ, D’Arnaud rates as a high-positive SS. Also Josh Harrison grades average at 2B and plus at 3B.

Mercer isn’t bad, but if we’re looking for infielders in 2011, I’d probably pick D’Arnaud at shortstop and Harrison at second base or 3B.

by Adam Reynolds on Jan 25, 2011 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also Josh Harrison grades average at 2B and plus at 3B.

Forgive me if interpret that more as a reason for concern about the accuracy of the system than as an endorsement of Harrison’s glove.

by Vlad on Jan 26, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like it runs high for just about everyone. Probably because it compares to others in the minors or in that league, not compared to major leaguers.

by Adam Reynolds on Jan 26, 2011 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The link in this post seems to contradict the idea of him using vanilla TZ FRAA.

by Vlad on Jan 25, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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