News Roundup: Mike Maroth Calls It Quits
Since Pirates news appears to be confined to Caravan stuff right now, here's just a few things from around the big leagues:
-P- Mike Maroth, who last pitched in the big leagues in 2007, is retiring. I'll remember Maroth fondly as an emblem of one of the few teams in the past decade that actually made the Pirates look good. That was the 119-loss 2003 Tigers, for whom Maroth lost 21 games. When a pitcher loses that many games in the modern era, it's usually the fault of circumstance as much as the pitcher himself, and Maroth is no exception. The Tigers had no one else to turn to, and their offense really only had one good hitter in it (Dmitri Young). Meanwhile, at least for the first half of the year, the Pirates had Brian Giles, Jason Kendall, Aramis Ramirez, Reggie Sanders, Matt Stairs, Kenny Lofton and Craig Wilson, which was a murderer's row by 2003 Tigers standards.
Sorry, Mike. You deserved better.
-P- Former Pirate Byung-Hyun Kim has signed with a Japanese team. For a player known in the U.S. primarily for choking in the World Series, flipping off fans, and sleeping, Kim sure is persistent.
-P- Johnny Cueto got a four-year, $27 million extension from the Reds, buying out all three years of arbitration and one year of free agency. This is a good deal for both parties - it averages less than $7 million per year, and Cueto was going to get between $3 million and $4 million in arbitration this year. With continued production over the next few years, he probably would have eclipsed $27 million over the four years total, but not by a ton.
-P- Rocco Baldelli is retiring at age 29. It seems like just recently he was a young phenom, but his career was ruined by an unusual condition that caused him to feel fatigued.
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Nice deal for Cueto and the Reds.
Locks him in at a good price for both sides, as well as buying out a FA year. Too bad for the Reds that Votto couldn’t come to a similar agreement…
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
The difference between a pitcher and a hitter
$27M guaranteed for any pitcher in Cueto’s situation is probably a good deal for the player (and a good gamble for the team). But it is a gamble for the team. Pitching is so fragile.
Votto is so much more of a sure thing that I can understand his not wanting to limit his options.
The Reds also hold a $10M team option for the 5th year (or his second year of free agency).
"I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. I enjoy myself. I can’t imagine being with a better team."
-Joey Votto
by justin007000 on Jan 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
in just 38 IP with the Cardinals, Maroth posted a -2.9 bWAR
which included two appearances against the Pirates (24.30 ERA, 5.40 WHIP, 1.387 opposing batters’ OPS)
Somebody
used to say you had to be a pretty good pitcher to lose 20 games or they wouldn’t keep running you out there. Maroth at least made it to fairly decent there for awhile.
Jose DeLeon was a pretty good pitcher – he’s the closest I’ve ever come to watching a 20-loss pitcher during a 20-loss season.
Voted...
most likely to have a no hitter through six innings and not make it through the 7th.
DeLeon was awesome
He was really dominant when he got called up his first year, pitched a complete game one hitter his third start. I was so psyched that the Pirates had this ace pitcher basically come out of nowhere. Of course, it was only three starts so my excitement was a little premature. We made it a point to see his next start and he got knocked around a bit by Montreal. Still had an excellent rookie year, though.
I wonder if he might have become something special if the Pirates organization hadn’t been so fucked up back then with all the drugs and the trials and everything. He really did have a huge amount of talent but wound up being just another guy.
He got to take a shot at it twice.
Had TWO 19-loss seasons, wrapped around pretty good years of 13-10 and 16-12, but the Pirates (to some extent) and the Cardinals (to a large extent) just couldn’t resist loading lots of innings on him to see what would happen. Please note his ERAs in the years before he lost 19, compare them with the years he lost 19, and then look at the previous year again and note the innings pitched. I know correlation doesn’t mean causation, but still … 244.2 innings?
Thirty years later, I hope we’re WAY smarter than that when it comes to handling talented young pitchers. Then I look at the likes of Dontrelle Willis …
by bucdaddy on Jan 27, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PRocco Baldelli is retiring at age 29. It seems like just recently he was a young phenom, but his career was ruined by an usual condition that caused him to feel fatigued.
Assuming you meant unusual but good read.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 26, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions
No problem
So when am I going to see you in a poker game Charlie, lol
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 26, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I’ve played with your brothers a few times lol. That probably didn’t make much sense.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 27, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I think you live in Charleston, right? If you’re ever in Wheeling, I’m going to be at the Downs a fair amount.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 27, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm up in Morgantown
in law school. I’ll actually be in Wheeling this weekend haha.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jan 27, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
For me that is only after about July 30
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 26, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Story I read
said the Reds have ponied up about $150 million in contracts this offseason to Cueto, Arroyo, Votto and Bruce. Can we expect such largesse from the Nut when we win the division?
Keith Law...
Just read on twitter that he ranked the Pirates farm system as the 21st best out of 30 in Major League Baseball.
That’s a bit disappointing.
But considering...
that they had 3 solid callups in Walker, Tabata and Alvarez last year, not to mention Lincoln almost graduating before melting down, that’s not all that surprising considering. I take less and less stock in these rankings just because they are precisely what they say they are: one person’s subjective ranks of a very high volume of unpredictable prospects.
Interesting, yes. Bothersome, not necessarily.
Byung-Hyun Kim singlehandedly made the 2001 World Series the best ever
Along with Schilling and Johnson, and Rivera blowing it, of course. But those bombs the Yankees hit off him will always be on my mind.

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