Bucs Dugout Talks To Frank Coonelly, Neal Huntington, Paul Maholm
The Pirates held a short interview session for bloggers Friday night at PirateFest. Vlad and I represented Bucs Dugout, and also present were Kevin from Pirates Prospects, Matt from Pittsburgh Lumber Co., Tom from Rum Bunter, and Kristy from Pirates Booty. (There were a couple other people there too, but everything happened really fast so I'm not sure who they were. Sorry about that. If I missed you, let me know in the comments.)
We were told we were going to talk to Neil Walker, Clint Hurdle and Neal Huntington, but it ended up being Huntington, Paul Maholm and Frank Coonelly. It was a pretty loud environment, but I took copious notes, so here it is in bloggy form. I think Vlad will weigh in in the morning, either as an addendum to this post or in a new one.
-P- I think the reason we didn't get to talk to Hurdle was because he spoke to the general audience first, and they loved him, so they had him stay there and meet people. He came across as very dynamic, which is probably a nice change from John Russell, and he had a very visceral vocabulary that included liberal use of words like "butt-thumping." This made Vlad's and my inner 13-year-olds giggle a little bit, but overall, Hurdle wasn't really saying much of substance. That was a shame, because I would have really liked to know what he plans to do with certain players. (He did say he would emphasize pitching inside.)
-P- Later, Coonelly said that Hurdle was "extraordinarily effective" in recruiting players - that he could relate to them as a former player and a former top prospect. (Hurdle evidently played a big role in luring Joe Beimel to the Bucs.)
-P- Huntington told the general audience that the numbers in the Pirate Report story about Pedro Alvarez's weight gain weren't quite right, without denying that Alvarez had gained weight. Later, I pressed Huntington to give an exact number of pounds Alvarez had gained, and Huntington wouldn't give a number, but said that Alvarez had gained "enough that we have concerns." He also said that how long Alvarez remains a third baseman is up to him.
Maholm on Alvarez: "Let the guy play ... there's plenty of people in baseball who aren't the prototypical athlete... He's a good third baseman. He gets to a lot of balls, he has a great arm ... Don't try to bash him for his weight."
-P- The Wil Ledezma situation isn't the biggest deal, but I asked about that since the media hadn't really explained it thoroughly. Essentially, Huntington said the Pirates just wanted a spot on the 40-man roster, and they thought the structure of Ledezma's contract, which will pay him $300,000 even if he isn't in the major leagues, made him a good bet to make it through waivers. Obviously, that didn't happen. Huntington gave a reason why they didn't reclaim him when that opportunity arose; I didn't quite follow it, but basically, I took him to be saying that they just didn't want to have him on the 40-man.
-P- Huntington said Donnie Veal is progressing well in his comeback from Tommy John surgery and that he's "excited" to get going.
-P- There were questions for both Coonelly and Huntington about the Pirates being placed in the lower half of all farm systems this offseason by Baseball America and Keith Law. Huntington said that he did not agree with those sources, that the Pirates graduated a number of top prospects, that there were injuries to other prospects, and that the Pirates' focus was on "developing players who will help the Pittsburgh Pirates win," not on having players put up big numbers in the minors.
Coonelly was downright indignant about it. Like Huntington, he pointed out that the Pirates graduated several top prospects, but he went further, saying that the Pirates' 25-and-under talent compares favorably with that of the Kansas City Royals (!). (The Royals have the best farm system in baseball right now.) He also said that Rudy Owens' statistics and stuff (with a 93-94 MPH fastball and great command, he said) compared favorably to Kyle Drabek, and yet prospect gurus consistently rated Drabek as one of the better prospects in baseball while ignoring Owens. He also suggested the low ratings were possibly partly due to the Pirates not promoting their own prospects enough to Baseball America.
Coonelly seemed particularly fond of Owens in particular, and later said he couldn't believe Owens hadn't been making top 100 prospect lists.
-P- Coonelly said the Pirates plan to always be big spenders in the draft. However, both he and Huntington were surprisingly ambivalent, or even somewhat positive, about the introduction of a hard slotting system, which would set prices for draft picks and prevent the Pirates from spending big bucks on late-round picks like Zack Von Rosenberg and Colton Cain. Coonelly said that hard slotting would allow teams to use more of their budgets on actual major league players and not on guys who never make it. He also said the Pirates would find "other inefficiencies to exploit."
Huntington said something similar, saying that if hard slotting were instituted, the Pirates would just focus on other areas where they could "maximize their advantage."
Of course, if there are other inefficiencies to exploit, shouldn't the Pirates just be exploiting them now? Market inefficiencies aren't like steady girlfriends, where you'll be cheating on one if you go out with another one. You can exploit all the inefficiencies you like, as long as you can find them! Maybe they meant that the hard slotting system will present its own inefficiencies, but I doubt it, and it sounded like they were willing to give up without a fight on the Pirates' best hope of being competitive. As Vlad pointed out later, it could just be that they're resigned to the idea of the hard slotting system being instituted.
Coonelly also said there would be no chance of the Pirates going completely bonkers and spending an unprecedented amount of money in the last draft before hard slotting, if such a system were to be put into place.
-P- Huntington said that legally, he isn't allowed to share too many details of the negotiations with draft picks who went unsigned last year, like Dace Kime and Jason Hursh. He said, however, that they were "willing to take some chances" on players who might not sign, and that drafting high-upside players in the later rounds (I assume he meant guys like Jared Lakind and Ryan Hafner) gave the Pirates options in case earlier-round picks like Kime fell through.
-P- Coonelly said he doesn't worry about the talent gap between the blue-chip players currently in the majors (Andrew McCutchen, Pedro Alvarez) and young pitchers like Jameson Taillon, Stetson Allie and Luis Heredia, because the Bucs need to keep churning players through their farm system and can't leave players in the minors forever. He said the current strength of the farm system was pitchers who are nearly ready - Owens, Bryan Morris, Jeff Locke and Justin Wilson.
-P- Coonelly said that placing Heredia in the Gulf Coast League this year would be "pushing it," but that it wouldn't surprise him if Heredia earned a spot there.
-P- Contrary to rumor, Coonelly says, he did not veto the trade of Jason Bay to the Indians for Cliff Lee and others. That deal was discussed, however, and Coonelly says he did express reservations about dealing for Lee at that time, given Lee's poor performance and the possibility that the 2008 Pirates team could be competitive.
-P- Coonelly says he would like to bring the Pirates' minor league affiliates to PNC Park to play games there occasionally.
-P- In the general audience Q+A, Hurdle made it clear that he wanted his starters to work deep into games to keep his bullpen fresh. In the Q+A with bloggers, Maholm said he would be fine with that, because "I'm not a happy camper if I only go six [innings] ... 110-120 pitches is a normal outing."
-P- Regarding the possibility of being traded in the next year, Maholm said, "I want to be with the team that wins here... I have no control over [being traded] ... If [the Pirates] want to approach me about staying, I'm all for it."
-P- Maholm said he did not adjust his pitching style due to the quality of the defense behind him, and said he was basically trying to get grounders no matter what. He did say, however, that he'd like to get more strikeouts this year, and he jokingly said he was embarrassed that a reliever, Joel Hanrahan, got almost as many strikeouts as he did.
There were a few more subjects that came up, and I added details about those in the comments, because I was taking notes when the questions began and thus am not positive I got the entire context of the remarks. So check the comments for more.
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Anyway, we had about ten minutes with Maholm and probably about 15 each with Huntington and Coonelly, so this is most of what we were able to get. Thanks to Matt Nordby from the Pirates, and I think probably also Tom from Rum Bunter, for making this happen.
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"I pressed Huntington to give an exact number of pounds Alvarez had gained, and Huntington wouldn't give a number, but said that Alvarez had gained "enough that we have concerns."
Option #1: It was 14.9 pounds instead of 15.0.
Option #2: It was 7 kilos and they didn’t realize that’s a tad over 15 lbs.
Weighing in at 19 stone
You’re a whole lotta hitter,
A whole lotta hitter,
A whole lotta Pedro
by bucdaddy on Jan 29, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice!!
Cue Angus’ guitar solo
Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.
by Black&GoldTrain on Jan 29, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I play a pretty mean air guitar myself. lol
Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.
by Black&GoldTrain on Jan 31, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hard slotting
That is disappointing if small market teams just give that up.
I hope that there is a bit of a tradeoff. Example: One of the factors determining a draft budget is payroll.
At the same time, hard slotting allows the Pirates to draft the best players. You still have far too many guys fall because of signability, where the agent is essentially manipulating for his client to go to a Red Sox or Yankee organization.
At the same time, hard slotting allows the Pirates to draft the best players.
Huntington said this, as well.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 29, 2011 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
Another consideration
Hard slotting would take leverage away from Boras and other agents who wait until the deadline. There would be no reason for them not to get the guys signed and playing MILB.
Also, hard slotting would actually save the Bucs $ on elite talent. Jameson, as an example, would know what he was getting before the draft. You wouldn’t have a top pick getting $7 million one year and $3 million the next.
draft budget
Example: One of the factors determining a draft budget is payroll.
That would be an interesting idea. Also, if they go with a hard slotting system, they absolutely must fix the compensation rounds. Do not give compensation to teams who sign similar free agents (i.e., if you sign a Type A and lose a Type A, you don’t get compensation).
Here’s some more stuff which I’m putting down here in the comments because I was still tapping out notes to other answers when these answers began, and thus I might have missed the entire context of the remarks:
P Huntington said the Pirates would like to sign young players to long-term contracts, but that it took both sides to make a deal, and it was getting “harder and harder to have those compromises.”
P One reason the Pirates acquired guys like Lyle Overbay and Matt Diaz, Huntington said, was because veteran players can help younger players a lot, and in different ways than a coach can help young players.
P Coonelly said that the Pirates’ long losing streak does affect corporate sponsorship opportunities, but he wasn’t sure exactly how. He pointed out that the Pirates draw more fans over the course of the season that the Penguins or Steelers do [since those teams play far fewer games, obviously], but he said that there were still issues with brand association.
P Coonelly said that as a former employee of Major League Baseball, he has a relationship with the players’ association and that the players’ association was aware of all the Pirates’ investments.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 29, 2011 3:55 AM EST reply actions
As far as corporate sponsorships are concerned, I believe that Coonelly also indicated that the Pirates are able to successfully argue that some of the visitors to PNC Park represent a different segment of the population than those who attend Penguins or Steelers games, and as such add additional value for a prospective sponsor.
The most intelligent segment, right? :)
by TNbucs on Jan 29, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its obviously just one meeting
but it seems the management is a lot less on the ball than though, imo at least
“Coonelly was downright indignant about it. Like Huntington, he pointed out that the Pirates graduated several top prospects, but he went further saying that the Pirates’ 25-and-under talent compares favorably with that of the Kansas City Royals (!). (The Royals have the best farm system in baseball right now.)”
I think Coonelly means if you would add under-25 talents McCutchen, Alvarez, Walker, Tabata, and Lincoln to the Pirates’ organizational rankings (while adding Billy Butler to KC’s ledger), you would eliminate most of the talent difference between the Pittsburgh and Kansas City systems.
I agree with him. If you consider arguably the best center fielder in the majors, along with 3-4 other solid players with potential, then there isn’t the difference in talent level that a prospects-only evaluation would show.
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 7:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This is a great point.
While the Royals have been putzing around with Gil Meche, Jason Kendall, Jose Guillen, Rick Ankiel, Willie Bloomquist and any other number of middling FA acquisitions, the Pirates have moved up all of their top players already and have them gaining experience at the MLB level.
It’s sort of like the reverse-Littlefield, where he populated the minors with has-beens and minor-league never-will-bes in an effort to make it seem like the Pirates’ minors were productive. In this instance, the Royals are taking time (maybe too much) in working their players through their system, so there are guys slaughtering overmatched opponents and putting up eye-catching stats when they should be in the majors but are being blocked by veterans with unmovable contracts.
I don’t know if that’s fair, though. None of their top guys were ready last season, and they didn’t go hog wild with free agents thus season.
There’s a lot of good things going on in KC, but there’s plenty in this organization too!
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i totally agree
the Royals have promoted no top talent in the last 2 seasons while the pirates have brought up 5. if tabata, alvarez and lincoln were still prospects, the pirates would rank much higher. not as high as the royals, but better than law’s 21.
and part of me is glad that some of our talent is getting looked over. i feel bad for owens, because he deserves the attention, but if the team comes together over the next 2 to 3 years, it will be fun reading how the experts didnt see “us” coming.
No need to feel bad for Owens.
Minor league accolades and presence on top prospects lists don’t help you one bit towards having success in MLB. When a guy comes up and has success, he’s going to get what he deserves no matter what was said earlier.
by MarkInDallas on Jan 29, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think Coonelly means if you would add under-25 talents McCutchen, Alvarez, Walker, Tabata, and Lincoln to the Pirates’ organizational rankings (while adding Billy Butler to KC’s ledger), you would eliminate most of the talent difference between the Pittsburgh and Kansas City systems.
Yes, this is what he was saying.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jan 29, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I just wanted to add the visualization, since that’s a better comparison of talent in the system than Law’s BS.
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like the idea of pitchers going a little deeper in games....
Hurdle also mentioned the same thing on Stan Savran’s radio show. He said the expectation for starters is to go around 125 pitches. He mentioned that he doesn’t sound the alarm, just because a pitcher hits 100 pitches. And reiterated what he’s said elsewhere about using the bullpen how you WANT to as opposed how you HAVE to.
I sure hope JMac and the AA guys (when the get there) are the exception to this. That sounds awful risky for young arms.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. I’m sure there are ways to reduce their pitching load other ways (i.e. less pitches thrown during their sides between starts).
Plus, I assume Hurdle is talking about ideally. If a guy is struggling, then he’ll get yanked anyway. It’s not like any of these pitchers is going to consistently go 125 pitches every game.
Yeah.
I assumed that he meant if they’re doing well and for example, they’re at 103 pitches at the end of the 7th, maybe have them go out and pitch the 8th as well.
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Just to put the 125 pitch start in perspective however...
there were a grand total of EIGHT major league pitchers that had more than 2 starts where they threw 122 pitches or more during the 2010 season.
Ubaldo Jimenez…7
Justin Verlander…6
Ryan Dempster…5
Matt Cain…4
Edwin Jackson, Felix Hernandez, John Lackey and Brett Myers…3
In 2009 there were 5…in 2008 there were 2 (Sabathia and Lincecum did it in both years). You have to go back to 2004 to find more than what was done in 2010.
Bottom line…if we have multiple pitchers throwing multiple games of 125 pitches or more, we will be the exception to the rule in the majors.
by Thunder on Jan 29, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I asked Huntington about the draft, and he specifically mentioned that Rendon wasn’t quite in Strasburg’s class. He did say he liked him a lot, but he brought up the injury concern. I brought up Purke and Cole and he said he liked them a lot, too, and said “Thankfully, it’s January 28th. We don’t have to make decisions yet.”
B-D was well-represented in the open chat. The person who asked about Steve Pearce had to be a reader here. Hurdle said he liked Steve a lot from the mini-camps.
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We were heading backstage when that happened, and I only caught Pearce's name.
What was the question, and what was the response?
The question was whether they would use a platoon for Overbay. Hurdle’s answer was that he liked Overbay’s professionalism, and essentially his early-season performance vs. LHP would determine whether he’d start later.
Then the same questioner asked “what about Steve Pearce”, and Hurdle’s answer was that he liked Pearce a lot from the camps, and his role would be a bat off the bench and spot starts at first base and in the outfield.
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The question was whether they would use a platoon for Overbay. Hurdle’s answer was that he liked Overbay’s professionalism, and essentially his early-season performance vs. LHP would determine whether he’d start later.
Then the same questioner asked “what about Steve Pearce”, and Hurdle’s answer was that he liked Pearce a lot from the camps, and his role would be a bat off the bench and spot starts at first base and in the outfield.
by Adam Reynolds on Jan 29, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That sounds like a pretty good session
There are obviously a lot of things that are going to be danced around.
I thought the comment about “not promoting” to BA was intriguing.
how can you guys focus on NH, FC and PM...
…when you have Kristy from PirateBooty hanging with you??? holy cap’n-distraction, batman!!!
by white angus on Jan 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If it was me...
I’d know that I don’t have any chance with her, so why get distracted over that?
And she’s blonde anyways….
by IAPiratesFan on Jan 29, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Kristy's site-bookmarked.
IAPiratesFan: You’re too hard on yourself again and the new season hasn’t even started yet.
It must be the snow and the cold.
whiteangus:
Charlie and Vlad were there as professionals to get us the scoop from NH/FC/ and the players. They wouldn’t allow themselves to get sidetracked with juvenile thoughts.
This guy
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Jan 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
juvenile? sorry for saying what men really think.
baseball, babes and beer. if thats juvenile, then send my azz to the principals office.
Distraction
I was a journalist for nearly nine year.
I think I was a good professional.
But yet I sometimes got distracted.
Now if I could just type better ...
or proofread before I post.
Reporter Job Evaluation
- Bernie6 is reasonably professional and only occasionally distracted by hot women who walk past his interview subjects.
- Bernie6 types poorly
- Bernie6 refuses to proofread his own work
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JRoth
I haven’t worked as a full-time journalist since 1996.
But my biggest issue is that I post too quickly. (I actually type 90 words per minute. Spelling is a problem though.)
I guess that’s a combination of my children distracting me, laziness and viewing a blog differently than a magazine article. I’d proofread and fact-check those articles for hours.
Regardless, thank you for a fair evaluation.
FYI: The problem isn’t when “hot women” walk by during interviews. It’s when you interview hot women.
“So, uh, um, gosh, you’re pretty. I mean, how do you feel about your parents dying in that freak accident with the Garden Weasel?”
Good post ...
I always enjoy when someone mocks a broadcast journalist.
Print journalists would never be so unprofessional.
Completely off subject, JRoth ...
but the problem is that you don’t know where to look when interviewing a woman who is really hot.
If you look at her eyes, you come across as a creep.
If you look anywhere else at her, you come across as a creep.
And if you look away, you seem like a 12-year-old at his first dance.
she's a hottie
I will testify to that.
by BadAndy on Jan 30, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Comments about Owens
is exactly what I’ve been seeing and saying….he’s head and shoulders over Morris and the others as of right now…he throws just as hard as Morris when I watched them and his command and consistent delivery…his delivery doesn’t change w/ different pitches…Morris’s curveball is winged a bit…w/ in a few innings, I could recognize a curve before it left his hand…if I can, I feel most teams can too.
My comments that Owens is probably ready now…I know they’ll start him at AAA but he’s quite polished…as I mentioned a year ago, if he ever matured and added a couple MPH’s, he’d be the one who could be a top of rotation type…T Glavine type.
Tabata = a tube of toothpaste
This was the wisdom from Clint Hurdle. He was asked about the reports that Tabata had put on some muscle this off-season. His response was that he was hoping Jose would bulk up but not to the point of losing flexibility or speed. “It’s like a tube of toothpaste. If you want a big blast of power right now, you squeeze hard from the middle. We’re going to squeeze from the bottom, though, to make sure we get everything we can out of him.”
No other toiletries were referenced, sadly.
Hmmmm
I LOL’ed …I wonder if we can refer to Tabata as a “straight razor”, now.
His bat speed and now strength should push last year’s surprising slugging percentage farther up. He may never hit a lot of home runs but, he does seem to have the capacity for 40+ doubles, with some of them clearing the bases. We’ll see if he can follow Cutch in demolishing the sophomore jinx.
by Larry Harrell on Jan 29, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nice thing about Tabata at #2
If Cutch is on 1st, he’ll score on a double (practically) every time. Nice way to start a game, a BB, a 2B, and a run is in with a runner on second for Pedro or Neil.
+1
To having minor league games at PNC. I’d love to see WV or indy without driving 4 hours, not to mention bradenton.
by johnnycuff on Jan 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My favorite parts were the enthusiasm over Owens and the report on Hurdle’s “recruiting.” I have to assume the player he mentioned who should have signed here but got away was De La Rosa.
I know there were alot of people who didn't want him
but he’s a signing that helps fix a big problem…he moves the rest of our rotation down a spot…aka helps the whole rotation out.
I feel the fact of not pitching at Colorado full time would allow him to really improve w/ consistency…almost every pitcher there says the biggest problem is the big difference in feel and movement when comparing home and away…that in itself hurts your consistency and performance on the road…having him not dealing w/ that issue should allow him to get his consistency down….the key IMO was DLR is a bat missing lefty…which is a pretty good fit at PNC and the buc’s D. We basically spent 12 mil on back end starters (do we have enough already) and an old 1B who may or may not be an upgrade.
On Hurdle
Here’s another thing I’m wondering about Hurdle’s personality – will his enthusiasm alone make the team better? Here’s my logic, tell me if you agree or if you think professionals are somewhat immune to this stuff.
When you’re a kid and you think something is hilarious, you do it non-stop. Your parents probably laugh the first time or two, but eventually give you that annoyed eye-roll and ignore you until you stop. Now, let’s say you’re Andrew McCutchen. If you’ve ever seen him at Piratefest, you can tell he’s a pretty big goof. I think that shows on the field also. If he’s running around in the locker room and joking around and such, and John Russell is sitting in the corner just rolling his eyes and pretending he’s somewhere else, doesn’t that kind of put a damper on the enthusiasm?
My main point is that, on a team of young, rising stars, might it be better to have someone with a lot of enthusiasm who’s just as likely to be running around making jokes than it would be to have Buzz Killington at the helm? I feel like Hurdle’s energy could help let this team thrive as much as if not more than any platooning or baserunning decisions could.
watching the team in the second half last season...
i noticed a more relaxed atmosphere in the dugout. tabata seems to be the one having the most fun.
i dont think Hurdle being more enthusiastic will help the team nor do i think he will hinder. better pitching is the key, and winning is contagious.
Minor league teams playing at PNC Park
would be nice in theory but….
1. Only if they charge the minor league ticket prices at PNC
2. They do something about parking around the park for the minor league game.
3. Perhaps a small meet and greet hours before the game?
Because i know going to Altoona to watch a game isn’t expensive….and parking last time i was there was $2 lol.
I don't know about parking
But I totally agree on the tickets. I think the goal is to shoot for admissions to cover costs (with as simple and cheap a structure as possible – $10 for field level tix and $5 everywhere else, or similar), and hope you sell enough $6 beers to make a little cash. But honestly, the primary goals are A. get your MiLers a tiny taste of MLB life (for real prospects it’s even more valuable) and B. create some buzz in town. In some ways it’s the inverse of the Winter Classic – bringing prospects to the fans for them to see first hand, and showing off the prospects in an unusual setting. Hell, throw in some MiL-style inter-inning entertainment (Frisbee-catching dogs?), and you get to draw a unique demographic mix (basically hardcore fans who want to see prospects + cheapskates).

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