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Community Projection Review: Chris Snyder And Catchers

DENVER, CO - APRIL 29:  Pitcher Joel Hanrahan #52 and catcher Chris Snyder #19 of the Pittsburgh Pirates celebate their victory over the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field on April 29, 2011 in Denver, Colorado. Hanrahan earned his eighth save of the season as the Pirates defeated the Rockies 3-0.  (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

Player Community ZiPS Actual
Chris Snyder .215/.324/.381 .232/.324/.388, 25% CS .271/.376/.396, 26% CS

There wasn't a single guesser who got particularly close, which perhaps makes some sense, given the sample size - Snyder only played in 34 games.

This just in: Chris Snyder is useful when he hits .271! Unfortunately, he's not very useful when he can't stay on the field. Ryan Doumit picked up 200 at-bats behind the plate and put up an .848 OPS. Between him and Snyder, the Pirates got a reasonable amount of offense from the catcher position (they had a .702 OPS back there, compared to a .700 OPS for all major-league teams), even though the catcher position felt like a colossal mess for most of the year. 

The Pirates used a remarkable eight catchers, including one who didn't appear at all ready for prime time (Dusty Brown), one who wasn't there for any discernible reason (Matt Pagnozzi), and one who had to be praising the heavens for the remarkable number of injuries to players ahead of him (Wyatt Toregas).

(Fun fact: Wyatt Toregas' middle name is Reeder. He also wore extremely cool-looking catching gear in his few appearances with the Bucs. This completes the list of things I care to say about Wyatt Toregas, and probably marks the last time he will be mentioned on Bucs Dugout.)

That leaves Michael McKenry, Jason Jaramillo and Eric Fryer. If neither Doumit nor Snyder come back, those three and Pagnozzi will be the top catchers on the Pirates' depth chart. The Pirates will need to find some creative way to get Doumit or Snyder without paying through the nose for them (they have options on both of them, but neither are particularly favorable), or find some halfway-competent free agent (there aren't many), or make a trade. 

If they don't do any of those things, here's what they've got. McKenry will likely occupy one of the major-league spots. He provided the Pirates with a number of nice moments in 2011, and he was certainly a breath of fresh air after watching Dusty Brown behind the plate, but McKenry's a backup, pure and simple. If you look up "backup catcher" on Urban Dictionary, you will see "Michael McKenry." (Actually, the first thing you see right now is Eli Whiteside. But I just entered a new definition that includes McKenry. For real. Approve it, editors!)

I imagine the other major-league spot would be occupied by Jaramillo, who is out of options. He actually hit a little bit down the stretch this year, but like McKenry, he's not much of a hitter in general, and the Pirates will be giving up a lot at the position if they can't find a better pair than that. 

Personally, if I have to go with the internal options, I'm probably taking Fryer and McKenry, in that order. Not that I think Fryer is any great shakes, but he's the only remaining internal candidate who has any prayer of hitting at all in the long term, so the Pirates might as well figure out what they've got there. Let's hope they don't put themselves in a position where they have to make a decision like that.

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I looked at a list a few days ago (cannot access your link from work) and, assuming Molina and Shoppach have their options picked up, there is next to NOTHING out there.

I think one season of Ivan Rodriguez may be a better option than what we have internally, at least to split duties.

by insane_sanity on Oct 11, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Laird isn't all that bad...would be a bit better than our internal options

about 1.5 mil or so too?

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by Cheap Beer on Oct 11, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's

the list of free agents from MLB Trade Rumors. Doumit and Molina cost about the same – keep the Doumit!!

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Oct 11, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going with any combination of Fryer, JJ, McKenry and Pagnozzi is the first sign that the Pirates have already punted on the 2012 season.

by Brakeman8 on Oct 11, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, claiming Pagnozzi on waivers was a very discouraging sign about the 2012 season in and of itself.

by Vlad on Oct 11, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure he's the JJ replacement

So I don’t see that as much of an omen at all.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Oct 11, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Pagnozzi has one option left, JJ has none. Paggs can be optioned down to AAA to be the catcher-we-call-up-only-in-dire-emergency catcher

What does that mean?!

by Trogluddite on Oct 11, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you could sign a random AAA catcher to a minor league deal, and only add him to the 40-man roster if you need him.

Most of those guys are better players than Pagnozzi, too, so it’d be an upgrade on both flexibility and talent.

by Vlad on Oct 12, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, technically I have three options remaining. So if option status is all that matters, and you don’t mind employing a guy who has no chance whatsoever of performing up to MLB standards, then they should just sign me to be the third catcher. Or call up Gorkys and have him learn how to catch during games. Once you throw quality out the window, you may as well go whole-hog with it…

by Vlad on Oct 12, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ideally

i’d want Doumit and JJ on the team, with McKenry in AAA. I’d also be taking a close look at Snyder’s medicals, since he might be cheap, and if he can stay healthy for 80+ games, it may be worth it on a 2-3M deal.

by BurgherKing on Oct 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Snyder hasn’t reached your benchmark of 80 games in 3 of the last 6 seasons. And with back issues. Two things are unlikely. 1) Snyder staying healthy for an entire season, and 2) Snyder taking a $2-3M deal.

by Thunder on Oct 11, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i m not sure he'll get much more

his staying healthy is of course v unlikely

by BurgherKing on Oct 11, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost forgot about these

I can’t remember what I projected for him or even if I projected because I think I was only able to get about half the team, heh.

But I guess it wasn’t particularly close since you said no one was.

by Schide on Oct 11, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

This completes the list of things I care to say about Wyatt Toregas, and probably marks the last time he will be mentioned on Bucs Dugout.

I must respectfully disagree; we still mention Brian Bixler here, so I’m sure Wyatt will get a shout-out every now and then for years to come.

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by wg1of5 on Oct 11, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s pretty good at Flips

by Mr. E on Oct 13, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a few options

Two suggestions from Pirates Prospects: Ramon Hernandez or Rod Barajas. In both cases the goal was a competent one or two year gig. Anyone else would probably require a trade.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Oct 11, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I think I mentioned Barajas here a while ago, although I could be wrong. I’m not sure Hernandez would sign here.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Oct 11, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be awfully wary...

about signing a 36 year old catcher.

by Thunder on Oct 11, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie

Do you happen to have the numbers from the catching position as a whole for the year, once all of the at-bats to Brown, McKenry, etc are factored in?

Curious how far below the .700 OPS we fall once everyone’s factored in.

Am I right that the .702 is only Doumit and Snyder?

by jlk9697 on Oct 11, 2011 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope, that’s everyone. Both Doumit and Snyder were well above .700.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Oct 11, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ignore hitting for a second - what were the win %s when each catcher started

Let’s assume (and it is not too much of a stretch that this is true) that the differences in offensive production we might receive out of any of our catchers is minimal— Doumit being the possible exception.

I vaguely recall that there were comments about how well McKenry handled pitchers. This got me to thinking that, if the difference in offense is minimal (see above assumption), then which catcher gives us the best chance to win by virtue of his defense and ability to handle the pitching staff?

by whogastim on Oct 12, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus Flores

could be an average C with a cheap trade price.

by Mr. E on Oct 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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