Langosch: Pirates Likely To Start Season With Payroll Over $50 Million
The conclusion to this piece comes out of nowhere, because if the Pirates were above $50 million, that would mean they'd be well over their 2011 payroll of $46 million. With Paul Maholm, Ryan Doumit, Chris Snyder, Derrek Lee and Ryan Ludwick all likely to come off the books, that would be a mild surprise, even given the arbitration raises we already know they'll have to give guys like Joel Hanrahan, Jeff Karstens and Charlie Morton. Nothing else in Langosch's preview of the Pirates' offseason suggests they're particularly likely to make a big splash. A little back-of-the-envelope arithmetic suggests that even if the Bucs pick up Ronny Cedeno's option and take a bunch more guys to arbitration than they're expected to, they'll still probably be at less than $40 million, so if Langosch's guess of over $50 million is going to happen, the Pirates will have to spend $15 million or so in the free agent market or on trades.
Here's a guesstimate based on Cot's Contracts' chart and Tim Dierkes' guesses at arbitration salaries:
Buyouts for Maholm, Doumit, and Snyder: $2 million
Kevin Correia: $3 million
Pedro Alvarez: $2.05 million (includes portion of signing bonus)
Ronny Cedeno: $3 million
Joel Hanrahan: $4 million
Garrett Jones: $2.4 million
Charlie Morton: $2.1 million
Chris Resop: $1.1 million
Evan Meek: $900,000
Jeff Karstens: $2.8 million
Jose Veras: $1.5 million
Jason Grilli: $800,000
Jose Tabata: $750,000
Random smattering of league-minimum players: $7 million
That's $33.4 million, and keep in mind that the Pirates have shown no indication that they're actually going to take that many players to arbitration. If they're actually going to spend $50 million next year, they've got their work cut out for them.
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Nice work Charlie
I have to say I hope they give the money to one really decent player instead of signing Casey Blake for 3 mil, yada yada. Hey on a brighter note we won’t get Dempster, he is graciously exercising his option for 14 mil next season with the Cubbies.
can't blame him there
guaranteeing the Cubs will suck again next season.
Even if they sign Fat Prince.
I agree with Charlie...
2012 payroll is much more likely to be under $40M than it is over $50M. That would be a pretty good indication to me that the Pirates front office honestly thinks the first 100 games of 2011 was a mirage.
$50 million seems logical
Langosch is a pretty good reporter; she doesn’t just throw numbers and rumors out there.
Charlie uses $33.4 million as a baseline. Then, we add in $6 million for a mediocre first baseman, a similar amount for Maholm’s mediocre replacement and $3-to-$4 million for a mediocre starting catcher. Suddenly, the Pirates are near $50 million. Throw in a Wilson Betemit/Casey Blake type as Pedro insurance and the Pirates are over that number.
A serious effort
I think that this does mean FO is going to make a real serious run at Derrick Lee. And with other big name 1B’s out there like Pujols and Fielder, the Pirates might just have a shot to sign him.
I think that this indicates that Pirates are also going to sign some catcher, and probably overpay to get him. Some 5th starter somewhere is going to get a lot of cash to pretend to be the Pirates ace.
by SojourningPirate on Oct 29, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
The over $50 million has to assume new contracts for McCutchen and Walker. A new contract for McDonald could also be a possibility.
by buccobob_houstontx on Oct 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
Albert Pujols
2 years, $80 million
…
ok, not really… but it’s an interesting thought… or at least I think it is…
by Captain Easychord on Oct 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
prine fielder would be a great addition to this ballclub
i just dont want his fat cousin wearing black n yella… would look like a swollen bumble bee on retro jersey night
Maybe Langosch got a big raise
And is just bragging about it.
by ATribeCalledGreg on Oct 29, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions
women have a tendency to do that
as well as hip-hop artists
what about
women who are hip-hop artists?
by BlindSquirrel on Oct 30, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully
it’s cause Cutch is gonna cost an extra few million this year.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 29, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
They might as well use that $17 million
on the draft/international budget.
That would be more worth it than signing the Correias/Overbays/Diazs out there who only come here when there’s completely no other option.
How much can you really spend in the draft though?
We draft 8th this year. The kid who got picked 8th this year signed for $2.9 million. You can overpay every round, but at what point does it just become stupid, especially since you’re not dealing with the elite talent. It’s going to be a lot harder to find steals in the later rounds based on sign-ability issues when we have more teams picking in front of us.
Of course, I have no idea what the international market is like.
by ATribeCalledGreg on Oct 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we finally confirm that Jen knows not of what she speaks?
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
by Kosstic518 on Oct 30, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Grady is this year's version of
Lance Berkman, Josh Hamilton, etc…
Worse case, its simply a buffer until Marte and/or Grossman is ready
We need to maximize value of our surplus – McCutchen could bring in a substantial player

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