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Langosch: Pirates Likely To Start Season With Payroll Over $50 Million

The conclusion to this piece comes out of nowhere, because if the Pirates were above $50 million, that would mean they'd be well over their 2011 payroll of $46 million. With Paul Maholm, Ryan Doumit, Chris Snyder, Derrek Lee and Ryan Ludwick all likely to come off the books, that would be a mild surprise, even given the arbitration raises we already know they'll have to give guys like Joel Hanrahan, Jeff Karstens and Charlie Morton. Nothing else in Langosch's preview of the Pirates' offseason suggests they're particularly likely to make a big splash. A little back-of-the-envelope arithmetic suggests that even if the Bucs pick up Ronny Cedeno's option and take a bunch more guys to arbitration than they're expected to, they'll still probably be at less than $40 million, so if Langosch's guess of over $50 million is going to happen, the Pirates will have to spend $15 million or so in the free agent market or on trades.

Here's a guesstimate based on Cot's Contracts' chart and Tim Dierkes' guesses at arbitration salaries:

Buyouts for Maholm, Doumit, and Snyder: $2 million

Kevin Correia: $3 million

Pedro Alvarez: $2.05 million (includes portion of signing bonus)

Ronny Cedeno: $3 million

Joel Hanrahan: $4 million

Garrett Jones: $2.4 million

Charlie Morton: $2.1 million

Chris Resop: $1.1 million

Evan Meek: $900,000

Jeff Karstens: $2.8 million

Jose Veras: $1.5 million

Jason Grilli: $800,000

Jose Tabata: $750,000

Random smattering of league-minimum players: $7 million

That's $33.4 million, and keep in mind that the Pirates have shown no indication that they're actually going to take that many players to arbitration. If they're actually going to spend $50 million next year, they've got their work cut out for them.

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It’s gonna take a bunch of Overbays and Correias to get over $50M.

What’s the marginal cost of a loss, anyway?

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Oct 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice work Charlie

I have to say I hope they give the money to one really decent player instead of signing Casey Blake for 3 mil, yada yada. Hey on a brighter note we won’t get Dempster, he is graciously exercising his option for 14 mil next season with the Cubbies.

by pineapplepete on Oct 29, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

can't blame him there

guaranteeing the Cubs will suck again next season.

Even if they sign Fat Prince.

by BadAndy on Oct 30, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Charlie...

2012 payroll is much more likely to be under $40M than it is over $50M. That would be a pretty good indication to me that the Pirates front office honestly thinks the first 100 games of 2011 was a mirage.

by Thunder on Oct 29, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It appears as though Ms. Langosch is just looking at the final number from 2011, and adding in arbitration raises, completely ignoring all the options we will decline. For whatever reason…

by Mr. E on Oct 29, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

$50 million seems logical

Langosch is a pretty good reporter; she doesn’t just throw numbers and rumors out there.

Charlie uses $33.4 million as a baseline. Then, we add in $6 million for a mediocre first baseman, a similar amount for Maholm’s mediocre replacement and $3-to-$4 million for a mediocre starting catcher. Suddenly, the Pirates are near $50 million. Throw in a Wilson Betemit/Casey Blake type as Pedro insurance and the Pirates are over that number.

by bolton on Oct 29, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

A serious effort

I think that this does mean FO is going to make a real serious run at Derrick Lee. And with other big name 1B’s out there like Pujols and Fielder, the Pirates might just have a shot to sign him.
I think that this indicates that Pirates are also going to sign some catcher, and probably overpay to get him. Some 5th starter somewhere is going to get a lot of cash to pretend to be the Pirates ace.

by SojourningPirate on Oct 29, 2011 9:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The over $50 million has to assume new contracts for McCutchen and Walker. A new contract for McDonald could also be a possibility.

by buccobob_houstontx on Oct 29, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert Pujols

2 years, $80 million

ok, not really… but it’s an interesting thought… or at least I think it is…

by Captain Easychord on Oct 29, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

how about prine fielder

1 year 50 million? thats what it would take too, sadly

by bbautista24 on Oct 31, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

prine fielder would be a great addition to this ballclub

i just dont want his fat cousin wearing black n yella… would look like a swollen bumble bee on retro jersey night

by white angus on Oct 31, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

it’s cause Cutch is gonna cost an extra few million this year.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 29, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

They might as well use that $17 million

on the draft/international budget.

That would be more worth it than signing the Correias/Overbays/Diazs out there who only come here when there’s completely no other option.

by BadAndy on Oct 30, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

How much can you really spend in the draft though?

We draft 8th this year. The kid who got picked 8th this year signed for $2.9 million. You can overpay every round, but at what point does it just become stupid, especially since you’re not dealing with the elite talent. It’s going to be a lot harder to find steals in the later rounds based on sign-ability issues when we have more teams picking in front of us.

Of course, I have no idea what the international market is like.

by ATribeCalledGreg on Oct 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won’t matter anyway, because it sounds like the new CBA will cap spending in both areas.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Oct 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can we finally confirm that Jen knows not of what she speaks?

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Oct 30, 2011 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What has she got wrong in the past? Many doubted her on the Maholm scoop, but NH and Coonelly later said they were indeed leaning against the option.

by bolton on Oct 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grady is this year's version of

Lance Berkman, Josh Hamilton, etc…

Worse case, its simply a buffer until Marte and/or Grossman is ready

We need to maximize value of our surplus – McCutchen could bring in a substantial player

by bmcferren on Oct 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

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