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'Moneyball' A Disappointment

Under normal circumstances, I might not write about Moneyball, since I and SB Nation got advertising money from it. But since I watched that instead of the games tonight (okay, I caught a smidgen of the Brewers' win), and since I don't mind biting the hand that feeds me if it might provoke an interesting discussion, a few words. 

Writing the screenplay for this movie must have been difficult. There's a battle at its heart, but it's mostly an ideological battle, which probably is easier to convey through a book than through film. The way the movie deals with it is mostly to have cameras scan over reams of typewritten numbers, and then have Brad Pitt sit there for a long time and then throw something. The end result is that the film plods, and it's hard to imagine anyone who isn't already familiar with the terms of the battle really caring about it or finding compelling reasons to root for the characters. (Although, evidently, a lot of people must not feel that way.)

In the book upon which the movie is based, Billy Beane is portrayed as charismatic, almost maniacal, but the movie fails to take advantage of opportunities for that charisma to shine through. For example, a scene where he's arguing with his scouts about which ballplayers to sign isn't nearly as funny and sharp as it could be. A scene in which Beane is trying to swing a trade for Ricardo Rincon could have crackled with absurd humor and brisk energy, but it doesn't.

Also, there were a number of scenes that felt like loose ends - we abruptly learn that Chad Bradford is a devout Christian, for example, but then we never hear about it again.

As a drama, Moneyball isn't very good, and focusing much of the movie around the Athletics' long winning streak in 2002 feels like a mistake, since ultimately, the stakes are never much higher than just winning the next baseball game. It's less of a surprise that the movie is unsuccessful as an investigation of a way of thinking about baseball, but if they weren't going to make a Hollywood movie with a rip-roaring plot and a tear-jerking ending, I would have loved to see them go full geek and really explain everything.

One funny thing about both the book and the movie is that anyone with modest critical thinking skills and a basic understanding of the game can see that a lot of the strategies Beane adopts are problematic, to say the least. In the movie, he downplays the importance of defense, but then we see him taking an active interest in Scott Hatteberg's play at first. He rolls his eyes at his scouts' worries that Jeremy Giambi is too much of a party animal, but then trades him for exactly that reason. A big chunk of the movie features Beane gnashing his teeth about a young Carlos Pena, who Beane dumped along with Jeremy Bonderman in a very dubious trade, and who turned out (after several years, but still) to be a very good player.

And then there's the fact that, as everyone knows, Beane was lucky to get great performances from three young starting pitchers. That's not even mentioned in the movie, and I don't think Barry Zito or Mark Mulder are even in it. Tim Hudson is shown giving up runs in this game, but that's it. (Kudos, though, to the filmmakers for - I think? - correctly portraying a number of extremely obscure Royals players in that game, like Luis Ordaz and Kit Pellow.)

Billy Beane was, for a time, the best general manager in baseball, but even then, he was far from perfect. The movie manages to gloss over those imperfections, while at the same time failing to create a compelling good-guys-versus-bad-guys narrative. My brother's girlfriend, who isn't a baseball fan at all, came to see the movie with us, and I felt bad for her. Not even I was having that great a time.

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I pretty much disagree, although I do think they missed a couple of opportunities. I found it to be mostly entertaining and very interesting…although the whole family thing was a bit sappy. I was ok with the highlighting of the three players, because they were the subject of the movie. They were moneyball players. Plus, after watching the Franchise, if I ever see Barry Zito dramatized again I will kill myself.

by bosten7 on Oct 8, 2011 5:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

They made Pena out to be an All Star in the time of that trade while Hatteberg is just riding the bench, but in reality, Hatteberg was DHing and OPS+’ed higher than Pena in the two months before the trade. Not mentioned Chavez or Tejada, you’re MVP winning shortstop, seemed a bit ridiculous.

Thought the stuff with the daughter was very forced and boring. Oh and the song she’s singing didn’t come out until 2008.

by ATribeCalledGreg on Oct 8, 2011 6:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought they way they handled Pena was the weirdest thing about the movie. They ignore the fact that Beane had just acquired him (and was very excited to have him), then they act like he didn’t want him to see the field. They traded for him to give him an opportunity, to have him sit on the bench would have been ridiculous. They then go on to act like he was having a great season, when he really wasn’t. If he was as good as the movie makes him out to be then I’m not really sure why you’d trade him as a rookie. In reality he was actually demoted to the minors before he was traded.

by ElDuce on Oct 8, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Women do like it

I don’t know about your brother’s girlfriend, but I took my wife (who would rather do anything in the world besides watch a baseball game) and she said she really liked it.

Personally, I think it’s difficult any time you read the book first and then go watch the movie. Chronicles of Narnia were my favorite books as a kid; my children love the movies — I think they are the worst things ever made. Movies are rarely going to be able to translate all of the thoughts, tension and emotions of a book.

Aaron Sorkin is just a fabulous writer of dialogue, and that came out in the movie.

I do agree with you that there were … loose ends? … maybe “extraneous scenes” is the better phrase. What was the point of Bradford offering to pray for Billy when nothing else in the movie suggests Beane has an opinion one way or another about religion? And, while the daughter helped get the movie away from baseball for a few moments (for people like my wife), she did almost nothing to advance the plot. Jonah Keri suggests that Mark Shapiro doesn’t pay attention to his ideas, but they put a long scene in the beginning in which Shapiro looks like he won’t wipe his own ass without Keri telling him “OK”.

My only other pet peeve was that Jonah Keri was pretty terrible in this flick. It’s one thing for him to portray the character as a good ’ole fashioned nerd. But they also portrayed him as weak willed wimp, too.

Huh…maybe I didn’t like the film after all. I think my positive opinion of it is basically because I could watch a movie about the phone book if Sorkin wrote the script. The guy is a damn good writer.

by Fat Jimmy on Oct 8, 2011 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

“Personally, I think it’s difficult any time you read the book first and then go watch the movie.”

Yep. Nearly the only times I’ve liked a movie more than the book on which it was based have been cases where I didn’t like the book.

by Vlad on Oct 8, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

do you mean Jonah Hill?

Jonah Keri wrote that book about the Tampa Bay Rays which aspires to be the new Moneyball; Jonah Hill is the guy from Superbad who plays a character based on Paul dePodesta in the movie (but less, ah, athletic).

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Oct 8, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly don’t think scenes or characters need to advance the plot to justify their inclusion. In fact I’m generally much more interested in scenes that don’t but rather contribute something in terms of tone, behavior, or character.

I liked Brad Pitt’s performance (it had a nice restless intensity) but I felt like the film straddled the line between simply being a portrait of Billy Beane the man and the archetypes of a feel good sports movie (the former being much more interesting to me) and as such never was quite successful as either.

by rj.reynolds on Oct 8, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not the only one who didn't like it...

“Just like Chicago baseball: Anticipating the best, and not surprised when nothing happens.”

Scroll down & click on the link that says "Moneyball – it’s the first review.

I don’t plan to see it, so I’m not one to comment on the film itself.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Oct 8, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

but at least she had Brad Pitt to gaze at. What do WE have?

by bucdaddy on Oct 8, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

OK,

jokes aside: I haven’t seen the movie (though I’m off next week and have thought about catching a matinee), but from what I’ve read, it seems they’re trying to make Beane a misunderstood nice-guy hero, humanizing him with the daughter angle and such. My favorite parts of the book (that I remember from reading it three, four years ago) were when Beane was being a real bastard, manipulating and hosing the likes of (IIRC) Omar Minaya in trades. He came off as a ruthless son of a bitch (and at the time I wondered if a lot of the hostility the book generated among the MLB community wasn’t precisely because it made some GMs look like fools), as a good GM should, and if he isn’t portrayed as a ruthless son of a bitch in the movie, then I don’t think I want any part of it. I want my GM to be conscience-free (are you listening, NH?) and willing to cut a deal and cut a player and cut a fellow GM to win ballgames. I want Hannibal Lecter in that job if he wins a World Series.

by bucdaddy on Oct 8, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Nutting and his unbutton collars?

Pittsburgh Sports: Creating sports history and legends since 1887.

by Bradley James McEachern on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a really good baseball movie in the making

once the McCourts situation ever gets resolved. An ugly divorce + the pillage and plunder of one of the great businesses (sports or otherwise) in history. All it lacks (so far) is a murder and a pennant, but I’m not sure those are necessary.

I’d see one about Leo Durocher too. And I think there’s an excellent movie to be made about Gus Greenlee, Cumberland Posey and black baseball in the 1930s, centered on Pittsburgh.

Guess what I’m saying is, there were probably better baseball/movie projects to try to foist on a mass public.

by bucdaddy on Oct 8, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, there are plenty of more interesting

baseball movies which could have appealed to a bigger audience, and told a story of significant achievement by the main character/team. At 47 million dollars, Moneyball was a smaller budget film with a huge star,. so it’s relatively easy for this film to turn a profit.

The A’s of the 70s would be a fun movie, or Game 7 of the 1960 World Series would also entertaining. ESPN used to do movies, not so much anymore.

by SteelStealth on Oct 8, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did those 30 for 30 documentaries

Those were entertaining, espically the one on the Wayne Gretzky trade and the connection between the LA Raiders and gangsta rap.

Pittsburgh Sports: Creating sports history and legends since 1887.

by Bradley James McEachern on Oct 8, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A life story of Nyger Morgan made as a cartoon would be worth watching

with Chris Rock as his Tony Plush voice-over and Urkel as the Nyger voice-over. with narration by Morgan Freeman

by Central*Scrutinizer on Oct 9, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll check out a movie

but it take a black and gold one to move me.

Get me the hell away from this PG

All these Smizik views are beneath me.

Burn, Hollywood, burn!

by bucdaddy on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Ya know...

I thought that Moneyball might be bad when I noticed that Roger Ebert gave it four stars. Usually when he gives a movie four stars, that tells me that it might appeal to really old boring guys, but probably not to me.

You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu

by IAPiratesFan on Oct 8, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you had unrealistic expectations.

Movies are never as good as books, obviously. This movie had a tough task being marketable enough for people that aren’t total baseball geeks and still staying somewhat true to the book, which is clearly written for only baseball geeks.

Apparently The Blind Side was much more of a stretch than Moneyball was, but I never read the football book so I’m just going off of what I’ve heard.

Look, some things were weird. I loved watching sabermetrics on screen, while my mom loved seeing the 20 game winning streak come to fruition. As we both know, that streak is/was totally meaningless, but the majority of people watching the movie don’t know that.

Billy Beane’s decision to stay and try and win with the small market A’s over the riches of Boston also played out well for Hollywood crowds. Of course they don’t realize Beane hasn’t gotten anywhere near the level of success he had with the Big 3 pitching, but that’s okay.

by jlk9697 on Oct 9, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Now that I've seen it....

It’s not horrible, but it’s not great either. I would say it’s a pretty average movie. Could have done without the scenes with his daughter, his ex and her new guy. Also the end where the movie tells us that the Red Sox won the 2004 World Series using Beane’s methods was silly. Last I checked, the 2004 Red Sox had the 2nd highest payroll in baseball. If any World Series winning team was like the 2002 Oakland Athletics, it was the 2003 Florida Marlins.

Although I did get some chills watching Hatteberg walk up to the plate, it was kind of fun knowing what was going to happen at that point.

You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu

by IAPiratesFan on Oct 14, 2011 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Just saw it

It was factual enough for me to be entertaining. Is Billy Beane’s daughter Lenka? Has Nike+ secretly been around for years? Does it really matter who didn’t slide when Jeter made that idiotic flip play?
Whenever one reads an article, watches a show or movie about a subject they know, about which they are passionate about, the errors stand out. But maybe we miss the forest from the trees? For example, The King’s Speech, I knew nothing about the subject matter, but really enjoyed the movie. However, to many (and rightly so) it is filled with ridiculousness and what should be gamebreaking flaws.
The main thrust of Moneyball is a charismatic, but flawed, character standing up to entrenched, stoneheaded and very flawed thinking. It’s a story about taking a chance on probability and statistics. And yet Beane is also portrayed as intensely superstitious. He is building a house upon numbers, and yet will not watch a game because he feels (as many of us do, no matter how rational), that we someone can impact the outcome of a game based on what we do.
Baseball is religion, and it will always be a loose end.

by vherub on Oct 16, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

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