Former #Pirates C Ryan Doumit has received multiple offers & expects to sign by end of November. He's getting married this weekend.
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Doumit viewed as a combo C, corner OF, DH guy by some clubs. He's looking for 1-year deal after hitting .303 in 77 games this year.
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We really, really want him to sign in the next 2 weeks, right?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if he signs before November 23ish (not positive of the date), then we get the free draft pick without the risk of offering him arbitration, right? That would be nice…
You'd
think someone would have caught wind of this before!
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 11, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like the Rays did.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
Genius!
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by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 11, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
and if the FO gets wind of the offers being above the Arb rate, I would think they will offer. It doesn’t hurt the signing team to sign a Type B early, so there is no reason for them to wait, unless they are considering an offer less than the Arb number. Until that deadline passes, the player can use the possibility of Abr as leverage, especially if it is likely that the team will offer. I imagine the offers are bigger than the $6 mil or so that we expect Doumit to get, so I don’t see this being held up.
by Wizard of Woz on Nov 11, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
You can find the
key off-season dates here. I was wondering myself how that works, since free agents can and do sign before the deadline for their old teams offering them arbitration.
What does that mean?!
Doumit viewed as a combo C, corner OF, DH guy by some clubs.
So apparently some other clubs are run by complete idiots if they think Doumit is a potential corner OF. He was pretty bad in RF for the Pirates, and that is with it being the smallest part of the yard; in a normal-sized OF, he’s going to be a bigger butcher than Sweeney Todd.
It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.
Yeah. He has a good arm, but overall that’s a really bad idea.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Nov 11, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
A team could stick him out there for 20-30 games when they have an extreme ground-baller on the mound. An AL team will get a very good value in Doumit, as long as he’s not the primary catcher or the regular corner OF.
Sure...
…with a Brandon Webb-type pitcher on the mound and an Andrew McCutchen-type in CF, Doumit could probably survive 20-30 games in the OF, although I would be worried about him tripping over a sprinkler head and tearing his ACL or some such madness.
It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.
I guess Boston won't be so intens this year
Missing Papelbon’s torrid heatr and all
http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/nick50.htm
/collects save
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The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
If I'm NH...
…I’m on the phone with the Red Sox this afternoon. My conversation starts with, “So, how do you feel about Joel Hanrahan?”
It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.
Which is why I would trade Hanrahan
Teams crazy-overpay for closers, so NH may be able to fill some holes by taking advantage of the Red Sox’ desperation to not fall further behind the Yankees and Rays.
It's just my two cents. Could be worth more, could be worth nothing.
After Bard's epic September collapse...
…they may be leery of handing that over to him.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Don't laugh
but I would not mind giving Lars a chance to play 1B. He has to be better than Overbay.
by pineapplepete on Nov 11, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
no just my stupid lotto numbers
i have played for 5 years, what a waste
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
yes, he does
No, he doesn’t. His 2012 ZiPS calls for an 83 OPS+, and Overbay’s 2011 was good for an 85.
yes he does
because your cyrstal ball doesn’t take into account Overbay cost $5 mil and Lars would cost $432,000.
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
come on Vlad
just admit you’re wrong for once. Just once. His 2012 Zips calls for an 83 OPS? So that’s it? It’s not possible for him to do any better? So come on Vlad, for prosperity, I’m begging you as a Bucs fan, just at least say there is a possibility you may be wrong.
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
why should Vlad admit he's wrong?
He didn’t say it wasn’t possible for Lars to do better than Overbay, he said Lars might not do better than Overbay (or, precisely, he denied that Lars has to be better than Overbay).
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Nov 12, 2011 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
because Vlad just can't help but throwing
his 2 cents in. I was just saying Lars has to be better than Overbay. He’s alot cheaper and younger and Overbay has proven he can’t play anymore. Of course Lars might get a chance someday and really suck in the Big Leagues, but come on, does he really need to respond with his negative, annoying, hey I’m an editor for Bucsdugout so I know more than you crap.
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
You are welcome to ignore his comments,
you know?
I am beginning to notice primetime / pirates21 similarities…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 12, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I was just saying Lars has to be better than Overbay
And I was disagreeing, because you were wrong.
Lars is both younger and cheaper than Overbay… but neither of those is the same as “better”. Last year, Lars put up a .262/.340/.428 in the more hitter-friendly of the two AAA leagues. That’s not a good performance at all. And in 2009, he was awful: .233/.328/.345 in AA.
He’s got some promise, and he may well end up at some point as a clearly better player than Overbay was last year. But as of right now, he’s not there yet.
There’s a possibility I’m wrong about lots of stuff – but not this. Lars doesn’t come with some kind of guarantee. He’s got about a 50% chance of being better than Overbay was last year. He very well might might be better, but he doesn’t “have to”.
by Vlad on Nov 12, 2011 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
That was prosperous!
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 12, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Lars doesn't come with a quarantee?
I wasn’t aware of that. Never mind. My bad.
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Particularly as it says he's *looking* for a 1 year deal...
…and not just going to have to settle for one
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Maybe he thinks
his hitting will improve as a DH. His playing time definitely should, and if he shows he can hit from the DH, and be a backup C, he will be more valuable then he is now. Still surprising though. Heck of a gamble.
by Wizard of Woz on Nov 11, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they're referring to his marriage
makes more sense
by Central*Scrutinizer on Nov 12, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I am just happy Doumit is finally out of Pittsburgh. This guy never lived up to expectations. Doubtful he will be a starter anywhere.
Who wants to bet that they announce an injury to Doumit during the honeymoon
I’m guessing either a ruptured testicle or penis contusion with a sever sprain.
Oh come on!
He’d do two chicks at the same time.
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by IAPiratesFan on Nov 11, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A sever
sprain sounds terrible, even worse than a severe sprain.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 11, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
breaks his finger
trying to open a condom
by pineapplepete on Nov 11, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
You don't need one of those if you're married, right?
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Nov 11, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
depends on how quickly you want kids
and whether you’re using any other form of contraception.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Nov 11, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Doumit would probably just dribble one
back to the mound
by pineapplepete on Nov 11, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
So
basically if we don’t end up with a pick from Doumit the FO are full of morons. While anything is possible, I should be breathing easy right?
Overall, there’s at least a decent chance we end up with 2 picks right now, from both Doumit and Lee, or they come back.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 11, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
This
is a question. Validate my thoughts someone!
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 11, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
While anything is possible, I should be breathing easy right?
Sure, if that’s what floats your boat, go for it.
So
reassuring Vlad.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 11, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
the 1 year part in the comments certainly makes me wonder
it sounds like he would consider arb in tht case
if he wants a one year deal to re-establish/increase his value
accepting arbitration from the pirates would be silly, since the best he could do here is split time with barajas. not exactly the best way to boost your value, playing in 80 games in the NL.
Marlins apparently have made significant offers to Pujols AND reyes
wow, now we’re going to be singled out as cheaper than the marlins… egads.
Why does it surprise anyone...
that the Marlins are going after Pujols and Reyes?? Strong Latino community, new stadium, an owner who CAN (notice I didn’t say will) put the money out there.
I mentioned a month ago that I expected the Marlins to be a darkhorse candidate to sign Pujols.
Even at $50M…the Pirates would likely have the lowest payroll in the majors in 2012…and that number would be the 3rd highest Opening Day payroll since the Pirates moved into PNC Park. And they would have to sign a significant free agent or two to get there.
I'd have to think
that if Doumit has an offer that would give him a lot of playing time somewhere, and the Bucs offer him arb, he wouldn’t take it just to screw with them.
Right? Right?
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Nov 11, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions
At Least Four Years Late
The Pirates should have traded Doumit at least four years ago when it was obvious that he was very poor defensively behind the plate. Doumit’s future was only in the American League where he could DH and catch a game or two a week in a pinch. And they probably could have gotten something decent for him in return because, when healthy, he can swing the bat pretty well from both sides..
But how any of you can be excited about getting a draft pick in the event Doumit signs with another team is very bewildering to me, especially since the Pirates, under this regime, have a very poor track record in the draft. Now don’t start telling me about all of our future studs who are going to be top of the rotation starting pitchers. Let’s see where they all are in two or three years.
"...very bewildering to me, especially since the Pirates, under this regime, have a very poor track record in the draft."
…nearly as bewildering as your statement is to me…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 11, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
the problem with trading Doumit over the years
is he always got hurt right before the trade deadline. Broken wrist, concussion, and this years injury.
by pineapplepete on Nov 12, 2011 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
Um; I think the exitement is for getting something instead of nothing....
but since this FO has built the farm system from worst in the major to one that’s ranked around # 10 on average, their draft records not bad at all.
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According To What "Experts"?
Do you really believe anything you read about “the best farm systems”? Right now, most organizations have about 150 total players in their farms systems. On average, maybe 10 of those players in each organization will ever set foot on a major league field, and that may be for just a cup of coffee. So please don’t believe everything you read from people that are trying to make a living touting minor league “prospects”..
holy non sequitur Batman!
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Nov 11, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Criminy...
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 11, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really believe anything you read about "the best farm systems"?
Out of curiosity: can you list all the teams whose farm systems you see as being better than ours?
by Vlad on Nov 12, 2011 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ooo
oo..
In no particular order. Definitely
Rays
Blue Jays
Rangers
Royals
Braves
Padres
Maybe
Seattle
Nationals
St Louis
Arizona
I guess you could argue for the Reds at well. We are definitively in the top 15, and I’d say we are a top 10 farm system.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 12, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone
know this specific detail? Do we basically retroactively offer him arb that he just can’t accept. Basically, is there anyway we can essentially screw up and “deny” the pick. Or is it automatic. I want to know if NH can basically fail beyond belief and how I should prepare myself for the nuclear fallout.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 12, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions
if Doumit signs elsewhere
it’s automatic for all practical purposes (to the extent I understand this). I am sure there’s something NH has to do formally, but if that gets screwed up, go ahead and ask for his head!
by BurgherKing on Nov 13, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
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