Everybody wants Clint Barmes

by Roberto on Nov 17, 2011 11:15 AM EST

At least that's what Chris Cwik hears. In the last three years Barmes has generated more than 20 runs above replacement on defense. It's true that most of that has been erased by his offense, as he has produced 35 runs below replacement at the plate. This is all offset by the fact that he mans a premium position and runs well. Fangraphs believes that his value was $8.8 million in 2008, $7.7 million in 2009, $2.5 million in 2010, and $14.1 million in 2011. He's probably due for a major pay day, and the Giants are reportedly after Barmes. Do remember though, that the Giants are going to owe Lincecum north of $20 million next year.

Given Jamey Carroll's two year, $6.5 million deal, it will probably take on the order of $8 million plus over two years to sign Barmes. Good deal? Bad deal? No deal? What do you think?

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Should the Pirates offer Clint Barmes $10 million over two years?

You bet!

67 votes

No way!

62 votes

Let's offer Jose Reyes $100 million over six years.

49 votes

178 votes | Poll has closed

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2yrs/$10MM? Yes. A penny over that? No.

Barmes could end up becoming the subject of a minor bidding war (and would’ve thought that?) and quickly escalate into absurdities like 3yrs/$18MM. This is where signing Ramon Santiago for something like 2 yrs/$5MM would be a good move because it gives the Bucs almost as good a glove and the same SS/2B position flexibility for literally half the price.

Of course they could always go the Marlins route and generate some headlines and first offer Reyes 7 yrs/$105MM before signing whoever they really want.

Jose Tabata is the truth

The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.

by Raybin on Nov 17, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions

Ramon Ramon Ramon

the fact that Barmes is a ‘hot item’ is exactly why it would be stupid. I’m a believer in Santiago and believe that he’s the better and cheaper player.

by Mingy on Nov 17, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions

If defense is that important

And offense is more of a bonus wouldbt ciriaco be at league min be worth more than both of them or maybe im just retarded

by tbote123 on Nov 17, 2011 12:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Barmes and Santiago aren't exactly wizards with the bat

That said, Ciriaco would be a black hole.

Jose Tabata is the truth

The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.

by Raybin on Nov 17, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions

11 votes for Reyes?

by white angus on Nov 17, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions

Was tempted to vote for that myself...

…in the spirit of “Let’s offer it to him & see how fast he declines”

Jose Tabata is the truth

The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.

by Raybin on Nov 17, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions

Reyes will likely take the most lucrative deal — remains to be seen whether it’s on a per-year basis or the total value of the contract.

by bolton on Nov 17, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions

Total value

Hands down. His value could only be higher if he could play 2 straight injury-free seasons (can’t see that happening or him risking it)I can’t see Reyes chancing a 4-5 year deal and getting the Furcal treatment at 33-34. Someone will blink and offer him 7/$140… which isn’t crazy in a world where Mark Ellis makes over $4 million a year.

by SuperBaes on Nov 19, 2011 4:04 AM EST up reply actions

considering the rumors coming out

7/140 would be absurd. I’ve heard 6/90, meaning 5/100 would be far better, and something I’d throw out there.

I’m guessing he settles for something more like 6/100 at the end of the day

by Mr. E on Nov 19, 2011 4:56 AM EST up reply actions

6/120

I feel like we’ll all be floored when someone’s “likely” to get him for 6/120, then all be floored when someone breaks bank and gives him the same money and a 7th year because “he’s young.” Anaheim’s not that crazy? Seattle? Frisco?

by SuperBaes on Nov 19, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions

If they want to have a reasonable chance of achieving the 72 wins from this year again the next,

then they need a quality SS like Barmes. Perhaps overpaying him would not be such a bad idea, nor would it be for Lee. Otherwise, a lineup with few good players might see a wins total back down in the 60s, which will see the attendance #s way down and cost the Nuttings millions anyway.

パトリック

by patthatt on Nov 17, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions

I did a bit more digging

In seven seasons in the minors Ciriaco had a batting average of 0.270 and slugging of 0.352. In nine years in the minors Barmes had a batting average of 0.285 and slugging of 0.420. Four of those nine years were spent in AAA at Colorado Springs, where he hit 0.302 with slugging of 0.449. Unless you believe Barmes is going to field a lot better than Ciriaco, I would expect fairly similar (and fairly weak) batting in 2012 from either.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Nov 17, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions

This should have been a reply to Raybin

Black hole might be extreme, but inspiring longing for the bat of Jack Wilson should be in view.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Nov 17, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions

NINE times?

by Mr. E on Nov 18, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions

Well, make that 8

2000 through 2008, first making AAA in 2003. He spent all of 2006 in the majors, back in the minors for 2007.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Nov 18, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions

I’d sign a veteran to a one-year deal, and see if D’Arnaud or Mercer can emerge as the 2013-2017 starter. If both prospects falter in 2012, then I might look at signing a veteran SS to multi-year deal.

by bolton on Nov 17, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions

Runs well?

This is all offset by the fact that he mans a premium position and runs well

3 SB attempts and 0 triples in each of the last 2 years. Can you imagine Barajas and Barmes batting 7th and 8th? Now maybe you mean that he doesn’t get nailed on the bases, which was a distinct problem with the Bucs this year.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Nov 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions