Stark reporting on CBA deal

by Thunder on Nov 18, 2011 6:47 PM EST

Jayson Stark is reporting on some of the expected details in the new CBA that is expected to be announced on Tuesday.

1) Minimum salaries will increase from $480,000 to $500,000.

2) Super Twos will remain. In fact, the percentage of eligible players will increase from 17% to over 20%.

3) The last date to tender contracts will move up 10 days to December 2.

4) Teams will have to determine whether they make a qualifying offer for a free agent at a one-year guaranteed salary based on a formula. That number is likely to be upwards of $12 million, making it highly doubtful teams would use it on players who aren't superstars. If the player rejects the offer and signs with another team, the signing team loses its spot in the first round of the amateur draft and moves to the end. Teams will no longer lose a pick for signing a premium free agent.

5) There will also be changes in the amount of money clubs will spend on drafted players, getting rid of the current slotting system and giving each team a pool of money to spend on its draft picks. There will be penalties for exceeding the threshold, which would range from 75-100 percent for each dollar over the line.

Points 4 and 5 are the ones likely to most affect the Pirates. There would be no significant disadvantage to signing a Type A, other than falling back in the 1st round. The draft money pool would definitely affect the Pirates, but the question will be what the threshholds are. Keep in mind that these points aren't official, but were passed from a well placed source to Jim Bowden.

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RE: Item 5

No doubt that this will hurt the Pirates or any other team trying to rebuild through the draft. One way can normalize it will be to allow lower drafting teams a bigger dollar pool or come up with some type of formula to allow a team that has sucked for the last 3-5 years to spend whatever they want.

Doubt this will happen though because the Lords who run the game have proven time and again that they can give a shat about the Pittsburghs of the world.

"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.

by Pagliaroni on Nov 18, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions

I really hate these motherfuckers.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Nov 18, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs

Yep. Hey, "Bud" -

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 18, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions

Wonder if everybody gets to spend the same amount of money on the draft

That’d remove most of the advantages of getting a high draft pick. Teams at the very top of the draft would either have blow their entire allottment on a top talent or go for a signability guy if they also want to sign some talented players later in the draft.

by maguro on Nov 18, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions

Presumably

they aren’t that incredibly douchey or stupid and that amount that is able to be spent will scale.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 18, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions

I'd assume...

teams with poorer records would have a larger pool of money. But then, you know what happens when one assumes.

by Thunder on Nov 18, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions

You make a "Selig" out of "u" and "me"

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by Raybin on Nov 18, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

/start rant

I should just get the hell off of BD tonite because the more I think of this the more pissed off I get. Baseball has been whored out to the networks whose main concern is seeing that most if not all of the teams in the post season are major market teams. I have always felt that teams like the Pirates had at least a GLIMMER of hope for a BRIEF slice of time if they did everything right and had some luck. It seems like Baseball is doing all that it can to eliminate abberations like the Rays. It’s OK with them that teams like the Rays are competitive because they can always point to them and say “the economics of the game are not as bad as people say”. Baseball’s worst nightmare however would be a five year run of the Rays in the World Series.

/end rant

"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.

by Pagliaroni on Nov 18, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions

You know what bugs me?

MLB has a fucked up economic structure, but it’s not exactly anybody’s fault. The single biggest reason is the non-centralized broadcast revenue, a system that grew up before broadcast revenue was that big a deal. It’s an historical accident. Then there’s the union, which takes bargaining positions that tend to help the high revenue teams. MLB can’t help that. It has to compromise to get a labor deal.

But this horseshit is a self-inflicted wound. The butthead used car salesman (I’ll bet he was a big one for odometer tampering) saw a way to save what amounts to some pennies in the grand scheme of things, and he couldn’t keep his filthy hands off one of the few areas in which all teams can compete on something resembling an equal footing. Nobody forced Bud into this. The union didn’t want it. No economic circumstances dictated it. And it’s not even going to save anybody any fucking money. The savings will just go into payroll. The small market teams will spend it—hell, they’ll probably be forced to by the new minimum payroll provisions—on third-tier FAs, which for them is a counterproductive activity.

This wasn’t a case where MLB had to compromise for a labor deal, or settle disputes between big and small market owners, or overcome historical accidents. All Bud had to do was leave it the fuck alone, but instead he just set out on purpose to make the game worse.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Nov 18, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

Most Comissioners

seem to have been either evil or idiots. Bud, of course, is an evil idiot.

by crusty on Nov 18, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions

And a used car salesman

Don’t leave that out.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Nov 18, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions

The used car salesmen are so embarrassed

by maguro on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions

When I was a law clerk back in some other century, in federal court in Alabama, the US Attorney’s office there conducted a sting operation to catch used car dealers who were tampering with odometers. They ended up indicting about half the used car dealers in the state. It was my judge’s turn to do the criminal docket, so he was doing arraignments for about two days and then spent about a week taking guilty pleas. (In minor cases, arraignments and guilty pleas don’t take much time, so that’s a lot.)

I think about that when I think of Bud.

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by WTM on Nov 18, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions

The thing that makes even less sense to me

is why the small market teams didn’t fight this tooth-and-nail. It just kind of seems they went along in the fetal position when Bud pushed on this.

by NastyNate82 on Nov 19, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions

We don't know if they did or didn't...

But most assuredly, we wouldn’t have enough votes to stop it, I’d wager.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Nov 19, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions

You're most definitely right...

by NastyNate82 on Nov 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions

They get their payola

MLB has a system that guarantees them a profit. Plus, Bud controls the central fund, which is a huge revenue pile that he can distribute however he pleases. The small markets don’t dare act up.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Nov 19, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions

With Pete Rozelle being the lone exception to the rule obviously.

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by Bradley James McEachern on Nov 20, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions

"If the player rejects the offer and signs with another team, the signing team loses its spot in the first round of the amateur draft and moves to the end. Teams will no longer lose a pick for signing a premium free agent."

That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

by Mr. E on Nov 18, 2011 10:47 PM EST reply actions

On the bright side

It won’t be as big a deterrent for the Bucs to sign a type A guy now. Not that they ever will/can, but at least the hit isn’t quite so big.

by pskell02 on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions

Agreed...

The team that wins the world series now has NO reason not to go after any FA they want.

by goodtymes31 on Nov 19, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions

We need to see more details

But the Pirates could be fucked permanently.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Nov 19, 2011 9:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions

Per Ken Rosenthal...

Evidently…starting next offseason…there is NO WAY to lose a draft pick by signing a free agent. The only penalty is as noted above…if one signs a free agent above the threshold (the $12M noted above), the signing team has their first round pick move to the end of the first round.

And if I am reading things correctly, the only way a team gets compensation is if the FA they lose gets signed over that threshold. No Elias rankings next season, all based on salary. Still unclear whether the Type B’s THIS offseason will still get comps.

by Thunder on Nov 19, 2011 6:27 PM EST reply actions

Does this mean...

the better your record the lower the penalty for signing a top FA? Crazy system. I guess it was kind of that way now anyway, but under the new system the penalty would essentially be nothing if you were picking 30th already.

by ElDuce on Nov 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions