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Why the Pirates won the Nate McLouth - Gorkys Hernandez trade

I just read Charlie's post about Why the Pirates won the Joel Hanrahan - Nyjer Morgan trade and was putting together a comment. The comment rambled on and on (like I do when I'm talking), so I decided to make it it's own FanPost. Basically, I'm supporting Charlie's premise of Neal Huntington making a good move and not really getting a lot of love for it.

*All WAR numbers in this article are from BBRef

On June 4, 2009, the Pirates dealt Nate McLouth to the Atlanta Braves for Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton, and Jeff Locke. That Pirates team finished 62-99 (missing the magical 100 loss mark by the grace of a rainout of an ultimately inconsequential game). Those Braves finished 86-76; good for 3rd in the NL East, 7 games back of Philly and 6 games behind the wild card-winning Rockies. This ESPN article calls the trade "a move to beef up Atlanta's offense in hopes of contending in the NL East."

Like Morgan, Nate the Great was in the prime of his career (he was 27 at the time of the trade and didn't turn 28 until after the season. McLouth wasn't terrible in 2009 for Atlanta: he did post a 1.5 oWAR for them in 84 games. His defense, however, sunk his value for his Atlanta career. dWAR's of -0.7, -1.2, and 0.0 dropped his overall WAR numbers to 0.8, -1.4, and 0.8 for a grand total of 0.2 over the 2 1/2 seasons he spent there.

Charlie Morton threw 97 innings for the Pirates in 2009 and posted a 0.7 WAR. Then, in an effort to out-suck McLouth, he put up a -2.5 WAR in 2010, but then bounced back with a 2.3 WAR in 2011 for a total of 0.5 WAR overall. That alone out-values McLouth's tenure in Atlanta (though pitcher WAR vs. batter WAR is shaky at best). Jeff Locke posted a -0.2 WAR over 16.2 innings in 2011, his only time with the MLB club. Gorkys Hernandez has not made his debut for the Pirates, yet.

Recapping: just comparing their MLB WAR, Atlanta got 0.2 WAR out of this deal while Pittsburgh saw 0.3 WAR. Incredibly undwhelming numbers. Atlanta paid McLouth $12+ million (not sure how 2009 was split) for those numbers. Ironically, Pittsburgh countered that by signing Nate as a free agent this offseason for 1 year and $1.75 million (which I think if a gross overpayment, but it's not $12 million, so I suppose it's a minimal risk). He's still technically in his "prime," but Atlanta got his 27-29 seasons when he should have been at maximum value.

Morton is just now in the middle of that range. He just turned 28 and had a much improved season in 2011, showing some flashes of serious potential. Jeff Locke just turned 24. He struggled in his cup of coffee last year, but he's a lefty who's averaged over 8 K/9 and about 3 1/2 K/BB in 6 MiLB seasons. The Baseball Prospectus list from a week ago (BD link) puts Locke at #12 in the Pirates system. Gorkys Hernandez, considered the centerpiece of this deal (#62 prospect before 2009 according to BA), hasn't reached the majors, yet, but appears at #19 on that Baseball Prospectus list, has some speed, by all accounts plays good defense, and is still only 24-years-old.

The numbers aren't as high as they were in the Hanrahan-Morgan deal, but the result is the same. Atlanta only got McLouth, who is no longer with the club and cannot put up any more numbers for them. Pittsburgh got some young players with talent who have showcased some of that talent and remain as assets to potentially acquire more talent (especially Hernandez, who seems very unlikely to ever play regularly in Pittsburgh at this point). Pittsburgh has already banked more WAR than Atlanta did, and at a massively cheaper price. I know that vet-acquired-for-playoff-run is often the recipe for a hindsight-lopsided trade, but the Braves didn't exactly get Doyle Alexander's crazy 3.9 WAR from 1987.

If I can pile on: the earlier linked ESPN article from 2009 says "With the trade, Pittsburgh cleared a spot for one of its best prospects, 2005 first-round pick Andrew McCuthen." All he's done is drop an 11.5 WAR since taking over for Nate McLouth. Pittsburgh thoroughly fleeced Atlanta, getting back 1/300 of its pride from Black Wednesday.

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That's Allstargoldglovernate McLouth.

Oh, wait, he’s back with us now, so it’s Crappynate McLouth. Or McClouth.

Hard to keep these things straight.

Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!

by WTM on Dec 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions  

Dude

has soooo many names.

Good post. Although I always considered Morton more the centerpiece of the deal. It’d probably be more accurate to just say we got three equal pieces, which was what was sweet about the deal at the time.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nate Mc Awesome

is my favorite.

Makes me miss Rocco, hope he’s back doing post or pre game this year.

by Wizard of Woz on Dec 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If Nate is overpaid at $1.75M…then NH must have been really nuts to sign Matt Diaz for 2 years/$4M last winter.

by Thunder on Dec 22, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

He was!!!

(No mention of Lyle Overbay)

by SuperBaes on Dec 23, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll go to my grave believing NH should have gotten more for McLouth.

But in hindsight, it certainly has worked out pretty well for us.

by epoc on Dec 22, 2011 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

IIRC

I remember understanding that Hernandez was very highly thought of; he was the #69 prospect (BA, stated above) in the preseason. This year, that would have been Jake Odorizzi (RHP, Royals). Bigger names right above him: Devin Mesoraco (64), Danny Espinosa (66), Anthony Ranaudo (67), Danny Duffy (68). Bigger names right below him: Jarred Cosart (70), Jake McGee (71), Yonder Alson (73), Jurickson Profar (74), Anthony Rizzo (75). Stetson Allie is #79. I’d like to acquire any of those guys, especially +2 more.

by SuperBaes on Dec 23, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Disclaimer

I just looked again at how good McLouth actually was in 2008 and how well he was doing when he got dealt in 2009. 4.6 WAR (BBRef) in 2008 and 1.7 WAR in 45 games in 2009. He never had even 1/3 of that 2008 value another season in his career (still could, but seems exceptionally doubtful).

by SuperBaes on Dec 23, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And

the strong possibility of it being an absolute fluke (which it was) drove down his value. I was thrilled with the return at the time.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 23, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Like what?

How much more should Huntington have gotten?

You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu

by IAPiratesFan on Dec 23, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

NH took advantage of a guy who played way over his head for a year and got more out of him than he was actually worth

by theatrain on Dec 24, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Im pretty sure neal did get a lot of love

For this move. this trade was an obvious win even when the deal was made but I was higher on gorkys as well

by tbote123 on Dec 23, 2011 8:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I was in Pittsburgh when it happened...

And all I remember was the local guys complaining about another star being traded away. I don’t recall hearing a lot about it and it didn’t seem to get much pub (that I saw, at least) when Morton was succeeding last year.

by SuperBaes on Dec 23, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The McLouth deal has worked out well thus far.

Now let’s hope for a decent season from him, Morton and something at the big-league level from Locke and Hernandez.

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

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