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New Draft Rules Might Not Be So Bad

I was thinking about the new Collective Bargaining Agreement on the drive back from Wheeling to Columbus tonight, and it's probably time to write something here that officially backs away from the ledge a little bit. When the details of the new CBA started to leak, Pirates fans went nuts, in part because a lot of the new rules regarding the draft seemed directed at teams like the Pirates who have spent heavily in the draft. How can Major League Baseball and the union justify stifling small-market teams who spend in the draft when it won't do nearly enough to stop large-market teams from having major-league payrolls that are many times that of the Pirates? That's what people thought at the time, including me, to a degree. But now that we know a little bit more about what the rules actually will be, it's probably time to calm down a bit.

Now, I'm not arguing here that the new draft rules in the CBA are good for the Bucs. But I'm also not sure they're bad. Consider:

-P- I asked Frank Coonelly point-blank what the draft pool would be next year, when the Pirates pick eighth. He replied that, assuming the Pirates got two compensation picks (for Ryan Doumit and Derrek Lee), the Bucs would be around $10 million. I'm still not quite sure how the math works on that (I had thought it would be somewhat less), but if the Bucs are getting $10 million when they pick eighth, they can work with that. They can also spend five percent more than that without forfeiting draft picks, which means that assuming Coonelly is right, the draft pool would effectively be around $10.5 million.

-P- Jim Callis had a good article (subscribers only, unfortunately) on this a couple days ago. He points out that while the new draft rules will curb the Pirates' spending to a degree, it would curb the spending of a team like the Red Sox a whole lot more. In the past five years, the Red Sox have spent the fifth-most money in the draft, and given the Red Sox's position as one of the better, and richer, major-league teams over that period, that shouldn't happen. Unless the Red Sox suddenly start performing much worse at the major-league level, the new CBA ensures it won't happen again. The Red Sox spent about $11 million in 2011; I'm not sure what their draft pool will be in 2012, but it shouldn't be anywhere near $11 million, even though they'll get an extra pick with the loss of Jonathan Papelbon, and possibly another for Dan Wheeler. And it should definitely be a lot less than $11 million in 2013.

-P- The days of the Tampa Bay Rays picking eleventy billion times before the Pirates make their second pick are now over.

-P- The Bucs won't get to spend $17 million next year like they did in 2011. That's true. But the $17 million they spent in 2011 was never the norm anyway. That was an amount the Pirates spent because they were guessing, correctly, that the new CBA would dramatically change the draft rules, and so they deliberately broke with the implicit collusion that kept draft spending at a reasonable level. It's unlikely that a big-spending team like the Red Sox was happy that the Pirates paid Josh Bell $5 million in the second round, but tough luck for them - now that the rules have changed, the Pirates are protected from the possibility that the Sox will try to one-up them.

I don't think I've ever heard the Pirates say this outright, but there's little doubt in my mind that this is what they were thinking. For example, Coonelly said a couple weeks ago that because the new CBA rules governing Latin American spending don't kick in until July, they're having Rene Gayo try to find players who are eligible to sign before then and who might be deserving of enormous bonuses that the Pirates wouldn't be able to get away with once the new rules kick in. (The Pirates have determined that there aren't many such players out there, regrettably.) But that's exactly what I think they did with the draft. So a typical Coonelly/Huntington draft budget (and of course this depends, to a degree, on where the Pirates are picking and whether they have compensation picks) should be something like $10-12 million, not $17 million. They won't be able to get to $17 million again, but the only reason they did that last year is because they knew it was the one time they could get away with it.

-P- The new rules regarding Latin American spending will be very favorable to the Pirates if they don't dramatically improve at the big-league level.

-P- Beginning in 2013, there will also be a lottery for a handful of extra picks after both the first and second rounds. Those picks will go to losing teams and small-market teams. That's not a huge deal, but it's something.

-P- Of course, if the Pirates start winning, then the draft rules get more problematic for them. This might be the best argument against the idea that the new draft rules are good. There is little doubt in my mind that under the old rules, if the Pirates somehow had a 90-win season and had to pick 23rd in the first round of the draft, Huntington and Coonelly would have found a bunch of guys to give late-round bonuses to, and they would have ended up spending more than their fair share. Now, they won't be able to. If I were a fan of a winning small-market team like the Rays, I would hate the new rules, because they make it harder for a small-market team to sustain its winning ways - the lifeblood of teams like the Rays is the draft, and under the new CBA, the Rays won't be able to get as much out of the draft unless they start losing again. The Pirates, however, aren't a winning small-market team, so for now, the rules aren't as big of a problem.

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They can also spend five percent more than that without forfeiting draft picks, which means that assuming Coonelly is right, the draft pool would effectively be around $10.5 million.

Really, really don’t want to do that in my opinion. That extra $500,000 costs them the chance of getting picks from other teams that go over. I don’t know what the chance of that is, but I’d rather not sign a guy like Tyler Glasnow or Ryan Hafner, and have the lottery ticket chance of another pick. Who knows, maybe 5 teams go over and that would put the Pirates in a really good spot to add a draft pick.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 27, 2011 12:55 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for putting together a coherent and adreniline free synopsis. I think that it causes me to think that the position I was evolving toward, that the CBA was mildly bad for the Pirates and very bad for future draftees, is either fairly accurate or errs on the pessimistic side.

I would love to know if the Bell family thought through this aspect of what was then rumors about the new CBA. When you consider that Josh got $5 million now, and added a couple years to his pro career by getting on the bus out of high school, he certainly seems to have made a prudent financial choice. Maybe he would have been a #1 pick, but if he hadn’t been, a lot of negotiating leverage seems to have disappered, and the dollars are going to tail off faster than before.

by crusty on Dec 27, 2011 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Jim Callis: Pirates Can Make It Work

He concludes that if the new rules had been in place for 2011 the Pirates could have signed all but one of its first 10 choices. He then goes on to note that the Red Sox

face a starker draft future. The most aggressive high-revenue team in the draft, they paid out $10 million in bonuses in the first 10 rounds of the 2011 draft, even with eighth-rounder Senquez Golson turning down a seven-figure offer to play football and baseball at Mississippi.

The new rules affect big market teams far more than the Pirates in both the draft and the international free agent market.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Dec 27, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you

And this is why I don’t agree:

Of course, if the Pirates start winning, then the draft rules get more problematic for them

So as long as we’re losing, the rules aren’t too bad, but if we begin to win, the rules become an issue? Isn’t that the ultimate goal, to eventually begin to win consistently throughout our window? That’s where my biggest concern comes from, is that while the Pirates don’t get shafted immediately, it will screw them down the line, which makes no sense to me. Why the MLB wouldn’t want true parody is beyond me.

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by glass0941 on Dec 27, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

This is exactly what MLB needs....

…but they need it on all aspects of player acquisition. Find a way to make free agency more even and get a real salary cap and then suddenly you will have more parity.

by Brakeman8 on Dec 27, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree completely

But as the system currently stands, it is disadvantageous to small market teams in a big way. It was a step, just not the one I wanted first.

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by glass0941 on Dec 27, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly why I don’t agree. Of course its worse than the Rays than it is for us, but eventually it will be just as terrible for us as it is for the Rays. The goal eventually is to win, and we won’t be able to sustain it for as long of a period of time with the new CBA in place.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Dec 27, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Quit making sense, bucdaddy.

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

With all due respect...

how is it intelligent to disregard the issues the team will immediately face upon winning (if that ever happens)? Presumably you are hopeful for winning at some point before expiration of the new CBA.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Dec 27, 2011 10:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

You are apparently unfamiliar with my philosophy.

I do not expect to see another winning team in my lifetime. Takes all the pressure off. Of me, at least. I can just enjoy each game as the the tiny, shining, precious jewel it is.

by bucdaddy on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

Charlie’s point is, the new CBA isn’t going to prevent us from getting to the threshold of winning, which would really suck, it’s just going to make it problematic to stay a winner, which will suck, but not as much

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 27, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't really know the pain of watching it crumble helplessly because of the CBA

And that could be significant.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Time to adjust can mitigate the impact

A year ago, many people in the financial community were running around crying doom because the Greeks were going to default; the Euro would collapse, etc., etc.

Here it is, a year later, the Greeks still may default and so may the Italians, but people have had time to adjust to the idea and make their plans. Life goes on; so does baseball.

This is not an endorsement of the changes. Small market/low(er) revenue teams are still disadvantaged.

Lino Donoso

by Lino Donoso on Dec 27, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Greeks will default, their debt has ballooned to ~170% of GDP on a funded level status not including unfunded liabilities, people are fleeing the country, the government is constantly changing, and they are in the middle of a nasty bankrun.

Not to mention literally 100s of other problems.

I get your point, but that isn’t the best analogy.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Dec 27, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe I should have quoted that great philosopher

Little Orphan Annie: “The sun will come up tomorrow!”

Lino Donoso

by Lino Donoso on Dec 27, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Eventually things will get fixed, but significant pain will be caused first. The best way about it is a clean severance like Iceland because the longer you draw it out the worst it becomes in the end by an exponential factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932011_Icelandic_financial_crisis

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Dec 27, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty much in agreement with Kosstic here. Just wanted to get that on the record.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Dec 27, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

cocktails

Since we’re talking about the draft, who do you think we should pick next June?

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought this would come out of my mouth

But you’re right. There, I said it. I hate Clemson that much.

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Perspectives become reality.
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by glass0941 on Dec 27, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, my signature is right on the money

and supported by my friend bucdaddy.

After WVU loses, I’ll change it.

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

WVU MUST go 9-4 every … damn … year.

by bucdaddy on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Only until...

they join the Big 12, at which point they go 7-6

by Thunder on Dec 29, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Come to think of it,

do so many of you guys have to come to BD and pimp your own sites in your signature?

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol

It was a joke, although clearly you are upset with me for something. I apologize for whatever I’ve done.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm not upset. I think you're site is informative and you're doing a good job so far.

I just think that it gets old looking at the posts of several that are trying to get permanent advertising for their site. It’s my opinion and nothing more.

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair

enough. I’m always looking for ideas. Do you think it would just be better to have just “Buried Treasure” in my signature and that’s it?

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 27, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not my business. It's Charlie's site.

A WVU loss in the Orange Bowl would make a good start to 2012.

by patthatt on Dec 27, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

tbh I like the sig

because I’m too lazy to check your site regularly and the changing sig reminds me when you have a new post up.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Dec 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

This is how I end up reading the new articles as well. Excellent job so far on the new site BTW McCutchenIsTheTruth.

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by gorillakilla34 on Dec 27, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Mercifully, I have not thought one whit about it.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this understates the effects for two reasons

It’s not all that clear to me that paying a $1 million bonus to a “projectable” high schooler is a good strategy. After all, most players with actual major league skills don’t have any impact in the majors, so the yield from players who don’t (which is what projectable means) is bound to be low.

Second, I agree with Charlie’s comment,

The new rules regarding Latin American spending will be very favorable to the Pirates if they don’t dramatically improve at the big-league level.

but think it understates the impact, because it will help them even if they improve at the major league level. It also reins in the rich teams. For example, the Yankees have been a force on the international market for more than a decade, yielding multiple big leaguers (including two extremely talented ones, Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang), with more on the way.


The Yankees have an edge over every team because of their financial resources. Not just money to spend on signing bonuses, but also to hire more scouts, which means more people in the organization to find diamonds in the rough, more eyeballs to evaluate those players, more people to develop favorable relationships with trainers and with families and more incentive for agents and trainers to prioritize the Yankees when showcasing their players. But ultimately it comes down to good scouting, and the Yankees’ scouts have produced some of the best results on the international market in the last decade and already have some promising ones in the pipeline for the next decade.

The change in the IFA market means that there’s only one area in which small-market teams can’t compete—the MLB free agent market. That’s a major change. If you take a look at who has signed the most IFAs who turn out to be prospects you get Braves, Phillies, Angels, Red Sox, Yankees, Mariners.

Viva Clemente!

by Roberto on Dec 27, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

New draft rules

I can’t really question the fairness of them; there was nothing stopping Boston/New York or any other richer team from taking a player like Bell in the late 1st/comp/early 2nd round and paying him what the Pirates did. If the draft ever became a financial arms race like FA’s are, Pittsburgh would lose 10 times out of 10. I’m just sad that the Pirates found a loophole/inefficiency that they weren’t afraid to exploit that everyone else hadn’t caught up to, yet.

Furthermore, there’s nothing stopping a guy from scaring teams away with ridiculous contract demands like Rick Porcello did in 2007. A team at the bottom of the draft (like the Tigers that year) are welcome to pay a guy an exhorbitant bonus… they’re just less likely to do so now. This year was a bad example, but does MLB honestly think a super-duper stud like Bryce Harper could have been capped by this?

by SuperBaes on Dec 27, 2011 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

The issue continues

to be that one of the few competitive imbalances in baseball that – for whatever reason – teams like the Pirates and Royals actually utilized is now gone. The critical bulk of the inequities – those that the Bucs, etc do not utilize largely because they lack the money to do so – remain.

in a vacuum the draft changes make a lot of sense. Sadly, we are not in a vacuum.

Good day.

by Uncle Nate on Dec 27, 2011 10:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

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