Pirates Pursuing Nate McLouth, Wilson Betemit
Rob Biertempfel tweets that the Pirates have "moved closer" to signing Wilson Betemit and Nate McLouth, while Dejan Kovacevic quotes a source who says that McLouth and the Pirates are "working on" finishing a deal.
We've already talked about Betemit here. I think the Pirates need a reasonable alternative in the (unfortunately, fairly likely) event that Pedro Alvarez craters, and Betemit looks like a he can be a good bench player even if Alvarez plays well.
As for McLouth, the Pirates really don't have a lot of outfield depth behind Andrew McCutchen, Jose Tabata and Alex Presley. Unfortunately, there isn't much evidence that McLouth can really play anymore. I would hope any deal with McLouth would be of the minor-league variety, and I'll be downright annoyed if they sign McLouth to a major-league deal and then end up non-tendering Garrett Jones to save a couple million bucks. McLouth was well below replacement level in 2010 and only a bit above it in 2011; he hasn't really hit in years, and it isn't as if he has the defense to make up for it. This almost sounds like a big prank Neal Huntington's playing on everyone, where he's going to wait behind cars near PNC Park for people to start talking about how bad McLouth is now, then jump out of nowhere producing tape recordings of the same people talking about McLouth when he was traded.
Or, as WTM puts it:
"NH is an idiot for trading McLouth away!"
"NH is an idiot for getting McLouth back!"
Of course, if it's a minor-league deal, then there's no problem.
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I see some potential for forward advancement with McLouth, just because he bats from the left side and has a history of using PNC’s RF porch to his advantage. That said, I wouldn’t go higher than 1yr/1.5M for him.
Betemit is a sensible fallback if Alvarez is terrible again, but he doesn’t really enthuse me. That’s not to suggest that McLouth does.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
There really aren’t a lot of good third-base options, unfortunately.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Dec 6, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
First thing I would do
Is make McLouth take out those contact lenses.
by maguro on Dec 6, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
[spittake]
…and rec’d.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
from twitter:
@northsidenotch
You know what would be awesome? If the Pirates agreed to a contract with McLouth only so they could tell him he failed their eye exam.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 7, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
This almost sounds like a big prank Neal Huntington’s playing on everyone, where he’s going to wait behind cars near PNC Park for people to start talking about how bad McLouth is now, then jump out of nowhere producing tape recordings of the same people talking about McLouth when he was traded.
I would so love to see this happen.
I’ve voiced my opinion on McLouth being a total waste of time. Will be fairly upset if it is a ML deal of any significant amount of money, especially if it is at the expense of Jones. Obviously Jones isn’t head and shoulders better than Nate, but at least he can play 1B in a pinch if we need it. Also don’t see McLouth’s power output equaling that of Jones and his defense isn’t very good either. So no, I don’t really want to see Nate back in the black and gold this season.
Wow..
this move is a puzzler… Unless, Charlie hit it on the head w/ they would rather not pay Jones and they see this as a potential money saver. If that is the case…. than I agree… I’m annoyed.
I’m a big fan of Nate McLouth. I doubt he’ll get back to his former level though. A lot of people get a kick of seeing a player go downhill after leaving (like they do with Nate) or get mad when they improve after leaving (actually, I tend to do the latter but not the former).
That laser eye surgery really screwed him up. Hopefully, Presley plays well and holds the starting job. But, if Presley struggles, it’s good to have another option. Nate is a good backup plan on the small chance he can get back close to where he was in 2007-09 (speed/power combo, high SB percentage, maybe a little low on average). Also, he can help if Tabata gets hurt again.
Betemit is another player I like. I thought he was better from the left side than the right, which makes it tough to platoon with Alvarez or play him against tough lefties. Fox would be better fit for that. But, Betemit would almost certainly beat out Fox for a roster spot.
Given that we’re likely to be pretty bad next year, the sentimental side of me is kind of happy about the idea of McLouth on the roster.
The analytical half of me is less enthusiastic, but maybe he’s got some bounce-back in him. Stranger things have happened…
by Vlad on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jose Bautista is on line one...
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Perspectives become reality.
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I read that we’re meeting with Jeff Francis’s agents this week, too.
by Vlad on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
After the season Nate had...
I’d be surprised if he got anything over 500K with some incentives mixed in. Safe for us, because if he proves he has fallen off the face of the earth, we’re not out three million. Safe for him, because then he’s getting extra money for doing well.
Plus, he can’t be any worse than Matt Diaz, right?
Could Betemit wind up being the platoon 1B?
Against righties, I mean (if Jones is non-tendered and Lee doesn’t come back). That’s not my hope. But, it seems possible. I’ve been assuming that Jones’ return depended on Lee’s decision up to this point.
If Lee doesn’t come back, then that leaves Pena (or maybe, but unlikely Kotchman) as a free agent target. Could it be Betemit/Evans at 1B? If Betemit can play 3B, then I’d assume he can play 1B.
He could handle 1B
I’m sure NH and CH would like to get someone with a little more power at that position though (I know, I’m stereotyping 1B as a power position).
But if Pedro heats up and we don’t need WB at 3B, I guess he could do at 1B too. He’s played a few games there (65, to be exact), so he could hold his own.
Other headlines I want to see, or
things I want to hear upon getting home from a long day at the office …..
- Jim Jones Providing Free Kool-Aid at Next PTA Meeting
- Giant Meteorite to Hit Earth at 1O:00 (film at 11:00)
- Honey, I’m leaving you for Justin Bieber…..
What does that mean?!
Hmmmm, a dilema
…is the cashing in w/the Inquirer and other rags worth the statutory rape charge?
What does that mean?!
at least
her time with Bieber would be relatively quick
As much as catching the Fever would sucks,
his HARTHT is AWESOME (Hair Above Replacement Tween Heartthrob)
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McLouth and Betemit would add some offense to a nearly non-existent bench in 2011. Short of a full revival from McLouth, I can’t see him being any more than a 4th/5th OF at this point. Betemit…if he’s starting anywhere, we are in trouble defensively at that position. However, I’m sure that he can do better than the 4-44 we got from XP.
I’d expect either signing would be in the $1-2M range. Much more than that, and I would start thinking that they are spending money just to keep MLB/MLBPA happy.
Not to nit-pick
But if they were “spending money to appease MLB/PA happy” they would have tendered Jones already and covered what Betemit and McLouth will be making without wasting a roster spot on McLouth.
Or beyond that . . .
Wouldn’t they have just picked up Maholm’s option?
I think Betemit gets more than that. In fact, given the shallow 3B pool in FA, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he got a two-year deal plus a higher AAV.
by Vlad on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roster Implications
MLB Trade Rumors sez we have 35 on 40-man; team website sez we have 40 players on 40-man roster. Does Betemit play any SS? If we are full-up, do either of these two guys have more compromising pictures of NH than Pedro Ciriaco?
What does that mean?!
Betemit can barely even play third, much less short. He’s one of the few 3Bs out there who isn’t a clear defensive upgrade on Pedro.
by Vlad on Dec 6, 2011 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, but
does he at least have something that we can use to boot Pedro Ciriaco from the roster?
I did not think I had heard of him as a MI back-up type….
What does that mean?!
That is the understatement of the day...
He is much, much worse than Pedro, or just about any other human, at 3B.
Unless they’ve non-tendered about 5 guys and haven’t announced it to the public, our roster should be full. If they are going to open a slot for a Rule V pick, it’s going to have to happen tonight or tomorrow.
You can cut guys loose on the morning of the draft in order to make a pick, if you like.
by Vlad on Dec 7, 2011 7:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Nate gets more than $1.5 MM, on a ML deal,
at his age (30), I’m-a be pissed.
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Wikipedia says he's signed a one year deal.
by sanny manguillen on Dec 6, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions
Actually, it says they signed him to a one-year “teal.” I guess that means his payment is a young duck. That’s probably cheaper than Garrett Jones will be.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Dec 6, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nutting is too cheap to shop at Home Depot
He might offer a half-empty bucket of paint from the Seven Springs company store.
Or a ticket to a Teal Wicks concert redeemable for 1 year?
Edit was made by a Verizon IP address in the 15122 area code. That’s West Mifflin, right?
by Vlad on Dec 6, 2011 8:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that the home
zip code of Nate, his agent, Neal Huntington, or Pirates21/evenmeek/insert other screen names here?
What does that mean?!
Pi$$ Poor Owners
Here we go again. Getting rid of the good players just so the owners can make more money. Thanks for making the Pirates WINNERS!
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Where do I even begin on this one?
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Two comments on BD in 2 years...
and this is one of them.
See you in 2013.
Gah.
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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be all for resigning McLouth. Just so we can start seeing a ton of misspellings of his name again in the comments.
Ahh, the good old days.
I made most of my life decisions at a Foghat concert... I stand by them.
by Chester J Lampwick on Dec 6, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Well McCutchen’s replaced McLouth in that area too haha. I’ll take McCutcheon over McClouth any day of the week.
by Akshay R on Dec 6, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good compliments to pujols
I so think the Pirates are the new 10 year mystery team!
I could feel his muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm. ~~ Mike Tyson
Win-win for the Cubs
Either land Pujols or put the screws to the Cardinals.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Actually...
the Angels are in the mix as well. Cubs evidently are in the running, just not with 10 years.
Yeah, now Nutting's too cheap
To buy new uniforms. Don’t be surprised if NH picks up a few Wilsons and brings back Caesar Cedeno and Bill “Spaceman” Lee as coaches this off-season.
Agree with the comment
but damn you for making it: “… in the (unfortunately, fairly likely) event that Pedro Alvarez craters”. I had really hoped and expected that Pedro would have been a cornerstone piece when we drafted him. But that is looking less and less likely at this point. Teams like the Pirates just CANNOT afford to miss with the #1 pick in the draft. And it looks like we may have. Not faulting Neal for the pick because it was a fairly obvious one. I’m more bemoaning the Pirates continuing run of shitty luck.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
He wasn’t the number one pick in the draft.
by thecheeseisblue on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
remembered that after. sure felt like it though. I’m still holding out a good bit of hope for the guy. Hope he starts out well because if he doesn’t I can see the kid becoming a whipping boy in this town.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Oh and about resigning Nate
I’m okay with it as long as it doesn’t mean that Jones is non-tendered. I could see Littlefield making that move but Neal is more rational than Littlefield.
I hope.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
I don’t think Jones is going to be non-tendered because he’s going to end up at first. Lee isn’t going to have any problem finding another team—supposedly the Indians are now interested—and they don’t even seem interested in Pena. They have to hang onto Jones as the fallback option at first. He can’t go anywhere unless and until they sign Lee.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Dec 6, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Losing out on kinda Lee sucks
It’s like getting shot down by a homely chick at a bar and having her turn around and leave with a guy with a goiter on his neck.
"Don Mossi was the complete five-tool ugly player. He could run ugly, hit ugly, throw ugly, field ugly and ugly for power.
Mclouth for a 1yr/$1MM would be fine by me
Good 4th OF at this stage; can fill in if someone gets injured. Betemit is a good bat off the bench; tolerable fill in if Pedro goes down/tanks unbelievably. Good depth moves.
I find it very difficult to complain about depth signings, particularly when last year the depth was Xavier Paul and Brandon Wood.
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
Completely agree
Essentially what the Pirates are saying with these moves is that Betemit is a better option than J-Hay to back up 3B and McLouth is better than Paul to backup the OF. The starting positions were addressed by hoping/thinking/expecting that Presley will be better than the Diaz-Jones platoon and 2012 Pedro will be better than the 2011 Pedro. If I had to guess, I think the Pirates currently see their opening day roster as:
RF-Tabata
LF-Presley
CF-Cutch
1B-TBD
2B-Walker
3B-Pedro
C-Barajas
SS-Barmes
BENCH
C-Fort (bats right)
3B-Betemit (switch)
4th OF-McLouth (bats left)
1B/5th OF-Jones (bats left)
MI-TBD
Just a thought…
by KentuckyPirate on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
if harrison keeps working on his D, he could be the surprise MI
if not, go ahead and pencil in Ciriaco for now
pencil in Ciriaco for now
In invisible ink.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Dec 7, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hate to admit it
but I think Ciriaco is the leader right now. I’m kinda hoping that d’Arnaud can show that he can handle the spot because I don’t want another 24 man roster and I don’t think Harrison can handle shortstop. If he is defensively capable then J-Hay could be fit the role nicely.
by KentuckyPirate on Dec 7, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal sez it's official
http://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/144259710802071552
1 year deal pending physical, no financial terms disclosed yet
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
The return of Nate McLouth.
May God have mercy upon us all.
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Isn’t there where we’re supposed to be anyway?
by thecheeseisblue on Dec 7, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, nice
Would’ve replied to this sooner, but I just rolled off the lady two houses down. Glad her husband goes to work early.
I mean……what? Who said that?
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
I can see Smizik's headline already
NH admits mistake: Resigns McLouth
by pskell02 on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha.
OMG! Sail the Pirates! This team is a joke. Nutting is cheap.
(Just putting in the BFD and Nutting Hostage Comments for ya).
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Dec 6, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
It just wouldn’t be complete without BFD and Nutting Hostage joining the party. I don’t know why I keep reading that blog, people need to stop posting those links :p
It's funny.
Did you see my post from this morning?
You gotta aim high to fail so big. - Trace Beaulieu
by IAPiratesFan on Dec 7, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Must have missed it
Only made it through 20 or so comments before I had to close the laptop down. Would have gone through a window otherwise.
Just think . . .
Nate has gone through an amazing and instantaneous transformation.
Up until about half an hour ago, he was ALL STAR AND GOLD GLOVER Nate McLouth.
Now he’s Atlanta reject Nate McLouth.
Occupy MLB! Down with Seligula!
by WTM on Dec 6, 2011 11:17 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I'd rec this 5 times if I could
Jose Tabata is the truth
The following is a list of everything Darren McFadden is bad at: 1) Giving birth. End of list.
I told
my friend once that McLouth was overrated defensively and simply just not that good in the field and he looked at me incredulously and said “Tell that to the Gold Glove on his mantle.”
/facepalm
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
(crickets chirping)
Lets get the band back together!!!! Fuk yeah!!!! Snell, Duke, Ollie, Joggin’ Ronny!!!!!!
DO THIS!!!!!
Let Nate Rot!
I thought Nate blasted the Buccos and claimed the team didn’t adequately address his eye issues. He praised the Braves organization while lambasting our organization and proclaimed he would have a great year. The fact is he was a one year wonder and is nothing more than a fourth outfielder on a shitty team. Don’t take him back, let him find another sucker team to take him. He blasted the franchise, sucked as a Brave, so the hell with him!
He’s not a one-year wonder: he was good in 2007, 2008, and 2009.
3 > 1.
by Vlad on Dec 7, 2011 7:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's my prediction on the statement by NH once the signing is official
“Nate is quality team first player we enjoyed having here a couple years ago, which is why we gave him the contract extension we did. We look forward to having Nate come in here for us to compete for a job in the spring and hopefully get back the confidence he had here in this time with the club. Nate obviously struggled in his time in Atlanta, getting out of his comfort zone and pressing too much. We strongly believe he has a good chance to bounce back and once again be a quality player at the major league level. We look for Nate to give us quality at bats from the bench and potentially earn his way into an increased role. While we certainly aren’t done trying to piece together our offense for the upcoming season, we feel Nate brings great depth to our ball club.”
-listened to way too many of NH’s interviews
If a Jim Bowden tweet is to be believed...
we signed Betemit and are still trying to get Lee.
@JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN
Pirates after signing Nate McLouth and Wilson Betemit today…continue their serious pursuit of Derrek Lee for 1B
If I had to guess...
these signings won’t become official until AFTER the Rule V draft on Thursday. Probably about the same time they announce anyone that is getting non-tendered (if that happens).

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