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Unfamiliar with Navarro and Goris. Pounders seemed to be behind the other H.S. pitchers as he was not starting, but did put up good peripherals as a multi-inning reliever.

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I thought Pounders had more value

But this is your backup UTIL INF, thats why Betemit was out

by BigB2323 on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

I liked

Pounders, but at the same time, he was nothing special. Probably not even a top 30 prospect, at least in my book.

Basically this can be surmised as “meh”

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yea I understand

but I thought he was a little more shinier than fetching a util player like Navarro, I was thinking more of a lines of Aaron Pribanic and Goris would fetch a player like him.

by BigB2323 on Dec 7, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel

like Pribanic is a penny while Pounders was too pennies, and instead of investing them in penny stock, we just traded them for a nickel or dime.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it’s “Quarter” Pounders.

by bolton on Dec 7, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh

so did we get a wrinkly dollar bill back that won’t go in a vending machine?

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I challenge someone

To read that write-up and not have Ronny Cedeno flashing in their head.

by bosten7 on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

what gave it away lol
But the focus and effort is not always there defensively.

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the exact same thing when I read it.

by biggyv on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like a reasonable deal

Fills a need, and quite frankly, Pounders was a minor leagues reliever who was repeated Low A after struggling to stay healthy. I think he’s got a decent future, but the value probably evens out. I’ve never heard of this Goris fellow, but he seems like basically a lottery ticket at this point.

Based on the 2 minutes I spent reading what I found on Google while on the phone, I’m pleased. I think the guy has fills a better need, can back up at shortstop with average to above average defense

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by glass0941 on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

This is really interesting

Navarro was one of the two prospects included in the Mike Aviles trade from last summer. Over The Monster, the Red Sox SBN site, had this to say about his inclusion:

Really, it’s confusing why the Red Sox would give up a player like Yamaico Navarro in return. He’s shown flashes of brilliance in the minor leagues at times, though he’s looked overmatched at times in his initial exposure to Major League pitching. Kendal Volz, too, has shown potential given his at-times absurd peripherals.

The Red Sox could come out on top of this if neither Navarro or Volz prove to be capable of cutting it in the Major Leagues, but it seems just as likely that they’ve given up as much Major League talent as they’ve received, and have the greater possibility of really regretting the deal down the line.

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by glass0941 on Dec 7, 2011 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Wait

a second. I thought this was some catcher.

If this is true (which it probably isn’t).

Has the tools to be a plus defender at shortstop and third base, also has some experience at second base. Sure glove, above-average arm, excellent fluidity.

We got ourselves a hell of a steal. He put up solid numbers offensively, just turned 24, and he’s obviously controlled for a while. If he is Ronny Cedeno, then declining the option makes sense. I’d trade Pounders and Goris for a few million dollars.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

the better part is, we can take it slow with him. let him backup get some ABs, and if he excels then start him, if not, well we have Barmes, d’Arnaud and some others to fill in. Worst case scenario we lost Pounders in this deal, who at best, is a RP in the majors, not like we can’t find those as NRIs

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Keep him in aaa to get ab’s and let chase d backup?

by tbote123 on Dec 8, 2011 7:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Here's something interesting from Royals Review

Navarro could be the next Ben Zobrist (or the next Andy LaRoche). His walk and K rates (and power) weren’t that bad in the minors.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Ya

I like this guy alot. He reminds me of Stephen Drew, although Zobrist may be more appropriate. Of course, that’s if alot goes right, but I’d rather have those dice to roll than Pounders and Goris.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry to play the role of Debby

But there have been some recent questions about his work ethic as well http://www.kffl.com/article.php/128011/515

But apparently the tools are there and solid, plus the defense rates as above average currently, with plus potential, and some power as well. I’m pleased

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by glass0941 on Dec 7, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So much for the “quiet” winter meetings the Pirates were reportedly going to have.

by Brakeman8 on Dec 7, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

NH is the worst, this FO is the worst, punting doesnt even describe my feelings right now!!!!!! GRRRR ANGRY FACEEEEEE

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This is probably more in line with NH plans

GAAAAH

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by glass0941 on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s how BA described him last summer:

“Navarro controls the strike zone reasonably well and has tremendous bat speed, so he has the ability to hit for solid average with as many as 15-20 homers per season. His strong arm is his best defensive tool, and he also shows some quickness and soft hands. His effort and conditioning waver at times, though he has gotten more consistent in those regards in recent seasons.”

by bolton on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Holy

frik. That’s an above-average SS potentially with 6 years of control we just got for Brooks Pounders and some other dude named Goris.

The dude is young too. As in he just turned 24 young. As in younger by 8 months than Pedro. As in a full year younger than McCuthen.

No reason this guy can’t become Stephen Drew with a decent bit of luck, but he was basically free.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

eh

still punting……..LOL

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more like....

…a triple reverse flea flicker on fourth and long. If it works, it could be awesome. lol

by Brakeman8 on Dec 7, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

haha honestly, if we can score say DLee, Pena or Ike D and get another solid pitcher, we may be in serious business this year

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Still need to see

what happens with Pujols and Fielder. Both leave, I agree. One or both come back, maybe not so much.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya :(

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 7, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

typical

pirates right, its like there not even trying to improve their team or something

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by C Shint on Dec 7, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He sounds good and I like the trade at first, second and third glance. But you have to wonder why the Red Sox and Royals would be so willing to deal him. He could be Josh Rodriguez.

by bolton on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

his defense is still “suspect” and his offense is still “not there” but if its because of lack of effort and willingness id rather take a gamble on him then wait another 3-4 years to see pounders be in our BP

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by C Shint on Dec 8, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Rob Neyer

weighs in.

Though he does call our former player “Pounder.”

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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 7, 2011 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

He also refers to "Pounder" as

“organization depth”. Definitely way too early to pass that kind of judgement on him.

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by glass0941 on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Too early, yes.

“Way” too early? No, IMO.

As pointed out elsewhere, his injury and repetition of a level with so-so results don’t help his case any.

That said, I’m shedding no tears here. Gotta give to get, after all.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 8, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

if a 5+ K/BB ratio means so-so….

by Mr. E on Dec 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

As

a 20 year old at Low A ball, already in the bullpen, with an average fastball, and little projection left

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 8, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's like the 4th time

you acted like 20 is old for low-A

by Mr. E on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So leave off that part of the sentence.
already in the bullpen, with an average fastball, and little projection left

Rings pretty true, no?

I’m not slagging Pounders, by any means.

But as I said, I’m not really bummed out by his being picked, either.

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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 9, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You are so kind to old Rob...

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by cocktailsfor2 on Dec 8, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

From Neyer's article

“But baseball men love the Rule 5 draft because it gives them a chance to scout. And damn it all if baseball men don’t love to scout.”

Sound like anyone we know around here?

by MDBuc on Dec 9, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a Sons of Sam Horn thread

It spans his last couple of years in Boston’s system.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/32792-yamaico-navarro/

Seems they were pretty high on him.

by biggyv on Dec 7, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

my numbers aren't so rosy

His hitting isn’t totally bad, in the Ronnie Cedeno range. His MLEs (from THT Forecasts) the past two years were 241/309/388 307 wOBA & 245/309/364 299 wOBA.

It’s the defense where the numbers become excretory. I have fielding runs of -17, +1, -12, -17. That’s -11 runs/150 G only at SS 2005-2011. 2007 ranked 24th in FRAA in Low A, 29th in 2007 AFL, 23rd in 2010 AA.

SS range at his level, in qualifying seasons, ranked 17, 18, 19, 25 (of 30) Poor
Hands, 12, 15, 18, 27 Fair
DPs started 14, 20, 24 Poor
DPs pivoted 1, 10, 10, 23 Good

DP pivots appears to be only above average for his level tool, as it was said that a strong arm was his asset. Average hands at best, poor range.

by Brian Cartwright on Dec 8, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions  

I would just like to commend you on your exemplary use of the word “excretory”

by Superstar25 on Dec 8, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Heyman says

Ortiz, KRod and K.Johnson only three to accept arb. Doesn’t look good.

by Brakeman8 on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I really want DLee or Pena, idc how it gets done, they just need to get it done, yum saying?

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by C Shint on Dec 8, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I guess we now know the identity of the latest mystery team in the Pujols sweepstakes.

by bolton on Dec 8, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Us?

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Sucks to not get him

but at least we got the pick. Aaron Baker and a few million dollars turned into a supplemental pick.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 8, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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