The Altoona Curve: A Guess At The Roster
Here's what the Altoona Curve could look like this year. Thanks, as always, to WTM and his depth chart.
CATCHER
Altoona's 2011 catcher will almost certainly be Tony Sanchez, although Eric Fryer should play some too. Fryer will play 2011 at 25, but he shouldn't be completely dismissed as a prospect - he had a strong year both offensively and defensively in 2010, so hopefully the Pirates can find some time for him between catcher and the outfield.
FIRST BASE
This will probably be Calvin Anderson. I don't see why the Pirates would send Matt Hague back to Altoona, and if their first baseman isn't Anderson or Hague, I don't know who it would be, although I suppose Miles Durham is a possibility.
MIDDLE INFIELD
This is tricky, because the Bucs have about a thousand middle infielders and third basemen who could play at Indianapolis. Hopefully Brock Holt, who hit brilliantly at Bradenton last year but missed about half the season due to injury, will take the shortstop job. (He sounds like he's healthy now.) As for the second base job, it wouldn't be surprising to see the Pirates send Jim Negrych back - Negrych isn't really a prospect, or at any rate, he's less of one than five or six other middle infielders at Indianapolis. The Bucs could also decide to send Chase D'Arnaud back to play the middle infield. While the Pirates' usual approach is to promote prospects fairly aggressively, D'Arnaud's numbers at Altoona were mediocre last year, and sending him back could help ease headaches over who's going to play at Indianapolis. Shelby Ford could stick as a utility player at Altoona if he plays at all this year.
THIRD BASE
The Pirates evidently like Jeremy Farrell, but Farrell will play 2011 at age 24, so this presents a good opportunity for the Bucs to make him the starter at Altoona to see what they've got.
OUTFIELD
Quincy Latimore should take one spot, and Starling Marte will probably take another. The third could be occupied by Robbie Grossman, but it's also possible the Pirates could send him back to Bradenton, since he's very young and can afford to take some time to make sure strikeouts won't eat him alive at Class AA. If Grossman is in Class A+, it would be nice to see Fryer get a fair amount of playing time in the outfield. It's also possible the Pirates could send Gorkys Hernandez or Andrew Lambo back to Class AA, but they've really had enough time there, so I imagine they'll go to Indianapolis. The backup outfielders could be Anthony Norman, Miles Durham, and/or Brad Chalk.
STARTING PITCHING
Starting pitching shouldn't be one of the Curve's strong suits. Brian Leach and Aaron Pribanic, two marginal prospects, are good bets to be in the rotation. The Pirates could send new acquisition Aaron Thompson to Indianapolis, but with a huge number of legitimate starting pitching prospects there, the Bucs could just send him to Altoona, which would be fine - he hasn't really mastered Class AA anyway.
The next two rotation candidates could be Nate Baker and Tim Alderson. We talked about Baker a fair amount in the comments section to yesterday's thread, where some people thought he'd be at Bradenton. That could be, but my rationale for thinking he'd be in Altoona is that the Pirates tend to be more aggressive with early-round picks and college draftees, and Baker is both. Also, the rotation is pretty thin at Altoona. It's true that Baker has worse stuff than Justin Wilson, so the Pirates' aggressive promotions of Wilson may not be exactly what they do with Baker, but that's the closest comparison we've got.
As for Alderson, well, your guess is as good as mine. Anywhere from Altoona to extended spring training wouldn't surprise me. Well, actually, Altoona would be a pleasant surprise, since it would suggest the Pirates have faith that he's getting back on track.
Given the uncertainty at the back of the Curve's rotation, and given that Jeff Locke only had ten starts at Class AA, it wouldn't be a shock if the Pirates sent him back there. Given his stellar performance in those AA starts, though, I don't think another promotion would be too aggressive. Locke, for his part, sounds like he thinks he's going to Indianapolis, for whatever that's worth:
(By the way, the Marauders' YouTube channel, from which this interview is taken, is really cool.)
It also wouldn't be a shock to see Jared Hughes back in the Curve's rotation, even though his future, if he has one, is in the bullpen.
UPDATE: I forgot about Nathan Adcock. Adcock was selected by the Royals in the Rule 5 draft, but I think the chances of him sticking with them are pretty remote. If he doesn't, he'll probably be in Altoona's rotation.
RELIEF
The makeup of the bullpen is hard to determine right now, as much probably depends on how the logjam of NRIs and marginal prospects at Indianapolis shakes out. Michael Colla, Tyler Cox, Ramon Aguero and Tom Boleska all look like good bets. Diego Moreno and Casey Erickson will probably be there as well. Michael Dubee is an organizational player, or close to it, so while he could probably handle Class AAA, he looks likely to head back to Altoona. Noah Krol is also a possibility, although he could wind up back at Bradenton. Depending on how the situation at Indianapolis goes, we could see Jared Hughes or Anthony Claggett in relief roles as well.
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Morris and McPherson
I wouldn’t be surprised to see McPherson pushed up to AA in spite of not having much time in A+.
I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Morris start in AA, and be there for a month or so. I’d like to see the walks and hits come down for Morris a bit, although he was probably fatigued by the end of last season. I also think we might see Adcock back here at some point next season, although there’s a chance he may be able to hold down a spot in the Royals pen.
by BurgherKing on Feb 3, 2011 2:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you completely
i just cant see owens/wilson/morris & locke ALL starting the season in Indy. dont get me wrong, it would be great to see, but i just dont think thats going to happen….
besides, the way FC talks about Owens, he may bypass AAA alltogether
the way FC talks about Owens, he may bypass AAA alltogether
I dont buy that for a second. There is no way on earth he will start the year in Pittsburgh. They may take the risk of making him a super-2 if he turns out to be really really good, but that’s about it.
i think ive made it clear that i agree with ya, BK
if i had money to bet, owens will be in Indy…
im just saying that FC, or even NH for that matter, have never talked about having a prospect bypass AAA for the show. sure, they will answer a question about it, but FC’s obvious glee with Owens and that statement about breaking with the pirates shouldnt be overlooked.
if owens is fantastic in spring, does he really become the #5 in the rotation???
if owens is fantastic in spring, does he really become the #5 in the rotation???
If he looks like he can handle it, sure, why not?
I have no problem with using spring training performance to help shape your roster. You just need to make sure that you’re using a dispassionate, scouting-type assessment of the player when doing so (i.e. Random Reliever X gained some extra juice on his FB this offseason, so we should give him serious consideration for a spot in the pen), rather than just touting guys because they put up good numbers in a few spring games (i.e. Random Reliever X pitched ten scoreless innings against highly-variable levels of competition this spring, so we should give him serious consideration for a spot in the pen).
Really?
How long would he have to be in AAA for us to get the extra year of control? I can’t imagine two weeks of Rudy Owens in 2011 is worth no control of frOwens in 2017.
This season is 182 days long from Opening Day (March 31, for 12 teams). 173 days constitutes a full season of service time. So…by April 10th…the Pirates would be able to bring him up and not lose control of him for the 2017 season. If they would be trying to avoid Super Two status…probably looking somewhere in the range of June 1st, which would be 121 days of service time to the end of the season. Of course, Super Two status could be irrelevant (gone) by this time next year if a new CBA is worked out.
All this assumes that Owens pitches well enough to earn the promotion. If I were the Pirates, and wanted to bring him up that quick…I’d have him pitch Indy’s opener on April 7th…then call him up for the 1st game of the Brewers series on April 12th.
Personally, I don’t think the Pirates will bring him up before June, no matter how well he pitches.
Of course,
this also assumes that a new CBA doesn’t change the amount of service time required to reach free agency.
Also
even if he blows the doors off of spring training, so long as at least one of the other candidates for the 5th spot in the rotation look like they can pitch adequately, it’d make sense to give them the first crack at it.
If Morton or Lincoln look decent, might as well throw them out there for a sink or swim April/May. Maybe that’s a little harsh for Lincoln, but he ain’t all that young. If all goes well, Morton/Lincoln actually pitch well and Owens can rack up numbers in AAA for the first 2 months of the year to prove that he’s absolutely ready. If they sink, then we’d have to re-visit our options at the point it’s clear a change has to be made.
I’d be absolutely shocked if all 5 our of projected starters are 1. healthy and 2. effective enough to keep their spot by June 15. So wherever the attrition occurs (injury or ineffectiveness), there should be a spot for him, and he should have the confidence of knowing he just tore it up at Indy.
Also, I haven’t seen the Pirates schedule, but I know that most teams have a decent amount of off-days in April. It wouldn’t make sense to have him up in April and have him accrue service time when the 5th spot will probably be skipped once or twice anyway.
Re: 5th starter
Looking at the schedule, it actually appears that the off-days don’t set up a chance to skip the 5th starter until 4 times through. So even if they give the job to a non-Owens starter and that person blows terribly, Owens shouldn’t step in to replace them until after the skipped start, so likely early May. Of course it wouldn’t be surprising if a game or two were postponed, which would change the whole thing anyway…
Adcock and McPherson
I agree. I don’t think Adcock is going to be in KC very long, and I don’t think McPherson is going to be in Bradenton too long, either, especially if the Pirates want to push college guys aggressively.
I love these posts, and one thing that strikes me as I think about these minor league rosters is how much depth there is in the system. Obviously, the logjam of starters at WV/SC is cool, and in the upper minors there’s a logjam almost everywhere. This season is going to be really important for a lot of our prospects, as 40-man space is going to be limited next year and the Pirates are going to have to make a lot of decisions over the summer about who they’re committed to long-term.
I respect the rankings of Law and BA and other sources like that, but 19th or 21st or whatever, I’m very happy with our minor league system right now.
I forgot about Adcock. You’re right. I think the Pirates are going to get him back before Spring Training is even over.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 3, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think theres a good chance Adcock stays with KC. he may end up as their "veal"
KC is going to be atrocious this year. the rotation is, on paper, worse than the last few seasons. the bullpen, other than soria, isnt much better. i think adcock can be hidden.
i hope not, but i think theres a chance.
I think the rotation will have Burres or other emergency starters, unfortunately.
by Adam Reynolds on Feb 3, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Altoona?
I suspect Gallagher’s done enough to start in Indy. I expect Indy to have a rotation with Lincoln, Gallagher, Owens, Wilson, Locke/Morris…
did I forget someone else in the mix for AAA starts?
Cesar Valdez and Fernando Nieve, although I can’t imagine either would be a high priority.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Feb 3, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
ah yes
i doubt they both start though… maybe one of them, although its possible both are asked to pitch out of the pen.
they view Hart as more of a reliever
at least, last month they did:
Because Hart missed most of 2010, he’s going to be competing for a spot in the bullpen, not the rotation. The right-hander has a better chance of making the Opening Day roster this way.
Owens/Wilson SHOULD start at Indy
Its more than 50/50 likely that Locke/Morris will start at Altoona til midseason.
Lincoln, with one option left, will start at Indy.
Its possible Crotta/Hughes will be at Indy as well.
I see Grossman at Bradenton with a solid OF core of Lattimore/Marte/Latimore at Altoona with Lambo and Sanchez bein in Indy by July.
I think D’Arnaud will start at Altoona with Ciriaco at Indy and Holt (due to his injury) remaining at Bradenton.
by BadAndy on Feb 3, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can't wait for the AAA version
The infield logjam in Indy could be crazy. Harrison, mercer, ciriaco, fields, marte, Atkins, Clement, Pearce, wimberly, and negrych. Lots of options
by 2010 will be the year on Feb 3, 2011 8:45 PM EST reply actions
negrych and mercer will likely not be at Indy… at least one of fields, marte, atkins and wimberley will likely be in Pittsburgh.
Aside from Harrison and maybe Pearce, I dont think there’s others that are particularly worth fretting over.
Not likely to be Marte
If I may quote John Sickels
Another bust, .218/.277/.358 in 838 at-bats over six seasons. Will show flashes but just never puts everything together.
John was gracious enough not to mention that Marte is an indifferent fielder.
Viva Clemente!
clement and atkins may not even make the squad.
negrych will probably be back in altoona. d’arnaud im predicting will be also. i believe the infield for Indy will be Pearce, Wimberly, Ciriaco, Marte. Harrison will play everywhere. Fields will be in the OF. I think Friday will be one of the backups.
My guess ...
we see Fields in Pittsburgh and Marte in indy. I suspect Atkins will retire if he doesn’t make the team or get added to someone’s roster.
I hope you’re right. I find Fields very intriguing and Marte maybe a little intriguing. I want absolutely no part of Atkins. But if he has an out clause and the others don’t, NH might keep him just to avoid losing him. He’s the only minor league signing they made that I really wish they hadn’t made.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
by WTM on Feb 4, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Atkins is ghastly
Him missing the roster and opting out of his deal is probably the best possible scenario for us.
The biggest story in Altoona may be the strikeouts. The projected rotation will be low on K/9. Baker and Leach were at 6.4, Thompson was 6.3 at Double-A, Alderson was 5.9 between two levels, and Pribanic was incredibly low for a stater at 4.1. Can these players maintain this or add a bit extra? I’d still probably pick Baker to have a major league career, since he’s a lefty and can get the ground ball.
In the outfield, Starling Marte and Quincy Latimore struck out more than 26%. Rob Grossman was up over 25%, and he needs to add some power to be viable, as well. If Grossman adds pop and the Ks don’t eat him up, he’ll have the best career of the three prospects.
by Adam Reynolds on Feb 4, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Another +1..
nothing would make me happier than to see this guy hit at AA while seeing his defense develop as expected.
Off topic on a winter day,
but I like the SBNation article about “lousy announcers” with the pic of Miller and Morgan.
Man, am I happy Joe Morgan is not on the ESPN team this year.
does this sound backwards?
I’d like to see Morris, D’Arnaud, and Lambo start at AA rather than AAA because they have more ability than some of the others that they are competing with. I’d like to see them have at least a half-season of success before moving up to AAA because they have more upside and potential long-term value.
It will be an interesting season at AA and AAA for the Pirates.
no, its possible
I’d like Lambo at AAA though. He’s spent enough time at AA that unless there’s something very specific the Bucs feel would benefit from 2 weeks to a month at AA, I’d hope that being in AAA and 1 level away from the majors will spur him on a bit to focus and get his game in shape…

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