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Gerrit Cole Faces USC

Gerrit Cole has been getting a lot of press lately, with many respected publications and scouts now ranking him as the No. 1 draft prospect ahead of Anthony Rendon of Rice. With Cole now being a very real possibility for the Bucs at first overall in the amateur draft, I wanted to get a first-hand look and see what all of the buzz was about. Three major disclaimers. First, I am not a scout. Second, I watched this game online. And third, all velocity readings came from announcers whenever they decided to report them (I recorded every velocity reading in the inning it was reported).

UCLA played USC last night to open the Pac 10 schedule. Cole began the first inning throwing his two-seam fastball at 93 mph, and it is a very heavy pitch. I believe I saw at least three in the first and the sink on the pitch leads me to believe that he could get by on just a two-seamer. His four-seamer was hitting 95 mph and got him into trouble when he elevated one to USC’s shortstop, who pulled it over the fence in left field. The homer was solidly struck and the shortstop, James Roberts, looks like a player to keep an eye on. 

After the first inning I didn’t see much of the two-seamer, as Cole relied more on the four-seamer, which sat at 95-97, touching 99 MPH twice in the second. The pitch has some movement tailing away from lefties and running into righties. Cole held his velocity late in the game hitting 96 mph after throwing 100 pitches. He threw just over 115 pitches in the game.

Overall, it's easy to see why there is so much hype. Cole throws the ball effortlessly. The ball explodes out of his hand. I really couldn’t tell how hard the pitch was thrown until I heard the pop of the mitt and the announcer would come back with something like: "Whoa! That pitch just hit 99 mph!" Cole is 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds, but he looks bigger on the mound. He has a wide frame and powerful legs; he just has the appearance of a workhorse. 

Cole threw a very good changeup, to my eyes, maintaining his arm speed when throwing it. It ranged from 85-88 but mostly 85. It had a lot of movement and just dove down and away from left-handed hitters. It seemed to generate a swing and miss whenever someone swung at it. If the changeup is not a plus pitch now I think it certainly will be down the road. Cole also threw a wicked curveball that is a plus pitch, in my opinion, but he did have trouble commanding it. The curveball had a lot of bite and I saw one strikeout registered with a USC hitter swinging over the top of it. However, most of the curves I witnessed were thrown for balls, with one of them being a wild pitch.

Cole really struggled last night …well, he struggled for Gerrit Cole. It took him a lot of pitches to get through 6 2/3 innings, and there were four balls hit really hard. Actually, most of the damage done was by Roberts and the slugging first baseman Ricky Oropesa, who is a top draft prospect in his own right. Everyone else seemed overmatched. Oropesa hit Cole hard in every at bat hitting an absolute bomb off him to right-center in the fifth. As hard as Cole was throwing, those two were able to get the bat around on him. I know Cole has been compared to Stephen Strasburg recently, but I don’t recall anyone squaring up on Strasburg like that in college last year, though I only got to see him throw twice. 

Anyway, Cole did not have his best command last night. He fell behind several batters and pitched into five full counts, by my observation. It was very reminiscent of the last time I saw him throw in the College World Series against South Carolina. That said, Cole’s stuff was even more impressive yesterday than it was last year, and as bad as his command was he still battled limiting the damage to four earned runs to get the win. I was actually glad to see him in a game like this, because it showed me he is not the type of pitcher who is going to get rattled and fall apart. There was a moment in the first when he looked agitated after he got squeezed on a full-count ball four and instantly threw the ball down the line on a pickoff attempt (which the first baseman missed), but he got things together and got out of the inning with limited damage. (Cole also has a very good pickoff move, for what it’s worth.)

Cole’s mechanics seemed very fluid, and he repeats his delivery really well. I don’t see any red flags in the delivery.  The only concern for me is how UCLA uses him as they get deep into the season. I was very pleased that Cole was pulled in the seventh, because it looked to me like he was laboring a bit, and he had thrown enough pitches given his lack of command. However, I think Cole being pulled had more to do with Oropesa being up and UCLA having a lefty in the pen than it did with any type of pitch limitation. I should point out that even though Cole’s command wasn’t at its best he only walked three batters (with one hit by pitch), and he did strike out seven batters in 6 2/3.

I don’t know that I saw the next Stephen Strasburg last night but I watched an excellent college pitcher who had been dominant up to that game. I think a David Price comp is probably fairer than one to Strasburg but I do think Cole looks like a frontline starter and potential Cy Young candidate if he remains injury free. To my untrained eye, he has a plus two-seamer, a plus-plus four-seamer, a plus curve and a potential plus changeup. The guy is a beast and I can see why everyone is so excited.

This post is not an endorsement by me for Cole to be selected first by the Bucs. I really like Anthony Rendon and think he too is a future All-Star. But if Cole is selected by the Pirates, things will be very exciting when he and Jameson Taillon anchor the staff in Pittsburgh.

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“I know Cole has been compared to Stephen Strasburg recently, but I don’t recall anyone squaring up on Strasburg like that last year”

Delwyn Young just asked me for your phone number. He sounded pissed.

by Mr. E on Mar 26, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh...

I should have wrote “…in college.”

by Slick1 on Mar 26, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed. Yeah, when I watched Strasburg with SDSU, hitters were clearly just guessing and trying to time their swings.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Mar 26, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a weird way

It’s cool and awful to finally have the first pick. The last two years we have been going YARGH when the Pirates missed out on the “obvious” first pick of Harper and Strasburg. Now this year there are two “obvious” choices, which makes it both cool to be in the situation, but awful that there isn’t just the “one” guy — at least not yet.

by Slizeezyc on Mar 26, 2011 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm slowly fallin for Cole

If he can develop a plus changeup Game Over

by BadAndy on Mar 26, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Excellent

Very informative… Thanks!
Reading the scouting reports on Cole, the only knock was his command. 100+ pitches is a lot and I believe he has thrown 100+ pitches in most of his 2011 starts. I hope he doesn’t get burned out this year. Lincoln threw a ton of pitches in college and ended up with TJ surgery.
Pitching and D wins games!! But, the thought of picking Cole number 1 scares the crap out of me! With the Pirates luck he will blow out his elbow signing his contract!!
  I still believe we need a big bat and a solid defender more than a pitcher!

by Krid on Mar 26, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Nice Post

What site broadcasts the UCLA game? I would really like to start following both Cole and Rendon leading up to the draft.

by rydog2469 on Mar 26, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

CBS Sports.com

You have to pay for a subscription. It’s worth it if you like college baseball because there are not a lot of games televised.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very good changeup

That alone would keep him from being a Brad Lincoln 2, without even getting into the rest of the package.

by Adam Reynolds on Mar 26, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Great report

Purely as a Pirates fan, I don’t have a strong opinion either way regarding the expected Rendon/Cole decision – whatever is deemed to be best for the franchise works for me. However, as a UCLA alumnus, I’m secretly excited at the prospect of a possible future star coming from Westwood and helping the Bucs eventually contend for championships. I don’t usually follow Bruin baseball too much, but I think all of us will be keeping an eye on them this year… every fifth day or so… : )

Thanks for the report!

by bruinbowler on Mar 26, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the report

go with pitching. Rendon may be on the DL more than playing. Pitching win games and you can always trade your ex pitcher down on the farm for bats.
 The draft more that just the #1 pick.

by halloween guy on Mar 26, 2011 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting about your comment's about the

change. I obviously recognize and understand your disclaimer but it seems to clash with a few things Keith Law has said.


Cole came out throwing 92-94 early, mostly two-seamers, with an above-average slider at 86-89 and a plus-plus changeup — I’m talking Clay Buchholz/Johan Santana good — at 84-87. He has great arm speed on the changeup and the action on the pitch is somewhere between the fade on a normal changeup and the bore on a lively fastball. He has tremendous confidence in the pitch, running it in on right-handed batters’ hands, using it 0-0 or doubling up on it.

If he doesn’t have the plus-plus change but a change more akin to what you described I’m not nearly sold on Cole as I would be if he has an elite change-up. Read my reasoning in another post here.


Although I will admit the part that really intrigues me about Cole are the reports about his change-up. I think the fastball is overrated, and while high 90’s – triple digit heat is rare, I look at the two of the best pitchers in the last decade and see Johan Santana and Tim Lincecum, both of which had elite change-ups. The scary thing is, neither of them have the elite velocity Cole (although you could argue Santana had very good velocity for a lefty) possesses.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Mar 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Should clarify a bit...

the change looked like a plus change to me though he didn’t throw too many. I came into the game going on previous reports that had him needing to develop his change but it that it showed plus potential. What I should have said in the post was that the change looks plus to me but if the general scouting community doesn’t think it is now I definitely think it will be. I remember him throwing five or six change ups and they were really good. It definitely is not a show me pitch; he gets outs with it. Anyway, going back to last year this was the first time I thought the changeup was “plus” so I didn’t want to call it that based on having only seen one start this season. Hope that clears things up a bit. And if Law things it’s a plus-plus change I’ll defer to him, he is more of an authority in the area than I am.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I wasn’t calling you out by any means and I appreciate your clarification.

You still didn’t see it as something jaw-dropping and that concerns me (Cole concerns me, not your ability to judge him) because he only excites me if I think he’s going to have a Santana like change-up. I believe that was the main point I was trying to make.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Mar 27, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got it, no offense taken...

Maybe it wasn’t jaw dropping but it was the best changeup I’ve seen from a college pitcher and I watch a lot of college ball. It’s good enough to make him special imo. If it’s plus-plus like Law saw Cole will be an elite pitcher if he stays healthy.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it is plus-plus, I’d like to know why he doesn’t use it more? (not a dig at you — you don’t call his pitches; more of a philosophical question)

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point...

probably because he’s always gotten by on his 4-seamer so that’s the pitch he leans on more than anything.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Well, in the piece MLBTR did talking to him…he references 3 pitches – FB, CH, CV. I found that interesting.

If a plus CH is a tool he has in his arsenal, they’ll use it at the next level — and he’ll need it.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done, Slick.

A+

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Mar 27, 2011 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for sharing

I’m really interested to learn more about Cole as the draft approaches. As of right now I’m leaning towards him over Rendon. Rendon’s injury history scares me and I think Cole can be a dominant pitcher. Excellent write-up by giving everyone a detailed look at Cole and how he pitched against USC. Like you mention Taillon and Cole can be an outstanding tandem for the Pirates.

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by Black&GoldTrain on Mar 27, 2011 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Xclnt report

Thanks very much. I’m starting to like the idea of Cole, though at some point we will need to score some runs.

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by Lino Donoso on Mar 27, 2011 6:13 AM EDT reply actions  

We know both are going to be mega-rich in a few months..

but does anyone think this debate over who’s #1 benefits the Pirates from a negotiating standpoint?

Harper and Stras were the obvious #1’s. I mean, it’s ultimately going to come down to the final 10 minutes before midnight no matter who they select.

Could there be negotiating one player into the #1 spot? Say, if Cole was willing to sign early and Rendon was not (or vice versa).

by jlk9697 on Mar 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

neither is signing early

I’m going to assume Cole is going to be represented by Boras (he was out of HS).

If both are Boras clients, they’re both going to push the deadline. I don’t think he even begins to negotiate until late in the process.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t even matter whether they are Boras clients or not when it comes to when they will sign. MLB will prevent anything over slot from signing until near the deadline anyway. We could say to Boras that we will give your client “x” amount of dollars to sign early and MLB will make us wait anyway.

by Cainyoudigit on Mar 27, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played, Slick1.....

Regardless of whether he pans out, this report was very appreciated and well-researched.

Good stuff….I still hope we pick Rendon, though.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Mar 27, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

saw him a few weeks ago

I watched Cole pitch about 3 weeks ago vs a good San Jose St. team. While there’s no doubt about his stuff, he did struggle a bit, for some reason. His command was OK; maybe he’s tipping pitches somewhat, cause he seems to get hit more than you’d expect. He has a ton of potential

6 and counting

by michaelbro8 on Mar 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

SJS hit him. Then Georgia hit him. Now USC hit him.

He does have significant potential though, and I love the build on the kid.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say he has average command from what I've seen...

and he can get hit when he leaves the ball over the plate. Plus I think he relies on his 4 seamer too much; he could change speeds more often. Though as good as that pitch is I can see why he leans on it. He’s also been let down by some subpar defense this season. From what I saw Friday and from what I’ve read UCLA is not an elite defensive team. All that said he couldn’t have been hit too hard his ERA was 1.69 going into the game against USC.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is interesting – he has 3 games in which he hasn’t given up a run in 9 innings.

Then he’s got starts vs SJS, GA and USC where he’s given up 3+ ER in <= 7 innings. In the SJS and GA games he had big innings that ended his outings. In his outing vs. SJS he walked 1 and hit 3. He only walked 1 vs. GA, but also surrendered a 2B and HR in his big inning. In his outing vs. USC he walked 3 and hit 1, while surrendering another HR.

He started out shot out of a canon. All I’m saying is he’s come down to earth since then. He is still an incredible talent and I’d have no problem taking him at #1 — the same is true of Rendon. I hope both guys turn it on and make it a difficult decision!

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points...

He is definitely not untouchable. I thought it was interesting that Law made the Strasburg comp but like I said above I don’t remember Strasburg getting hit hard at all. I don’t have any alarms going off with Cole or anything but he isn’t Strasburg IMO and that comp should probably end.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

This kid is a totally different story. He was a 1st rd draft pick…out of HS — his success HAS carried over to the D1 level, and he has shown signs he can dominate at that level. I’m not reading anything about mechanical flaws (that we are about Strasburg), either. If he has the pitches in his arsenal, but just isn’t using it properly…that can be worked on.

And for the record, Virginia beat Strasburg 5-1 for his only loss. He was taken yard, but struck out 15 in 7 innings.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words...

Strasburg got beat by the best competition he faced.

by NastyNate82 on Mar 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but that kind of shows that no matter how good your stuff is, you can get beat by the good D-I programs (i.e. Virginia). In the games Cole lost this year, he still struck out lots of guys.

by NastyNate82 on Mar 27, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

with metal bats. This should not be forgotten when comparing the two.

by Mr. E on Mar 28, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

there isn't an overwhelming
  1. choose this year like the past 2 years. maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea for the pirates to look long and hard at some of the top high school players.

by srman on Mar 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree...

It’s Cole or Rendon then everyone else. That said the front office will scout a whole bunch of potential candidates including HS players. There are a couple of good ones: Bubba Startling, Fransisco Lindor and Dylan Bundy are a few generating a lot of interest. They are probably the three best. None of them are in the same class as Cole or Rendon right now though Bubba Starling’s upside is supposed to be pretty darn high.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

beat me to it

The fact that there isn’t a clear #1…is because it’s down to Rendon or Cole.

Now, that said, Purke hasn’t pitched due to blister problems — he’s a potential #1..from the left side. The kid at Virginia is dealing this year too.

I’ve heard awesome things about Bubba Starling, but I think that if the pick isn’t Rendon or Cole…there are going to be some pissed off Pirate fans.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purke's pitched...

and he’s kind of been a bit of a mess since coming back. His mechanics are out of whack and he’s topping out at 91 mph. Law said recently that right now he’s not even the top lefty in the draft let alone the top player.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

just late feb. and early march Cole wasn’t even rated #2 in some rankings. you forgot about Archie Bradley who is a highly regarded high school pitcher and football player just like Starling.alot of the top players both in high school and college are rated very close,not much separation between 1 to 8.

by srman on Mar 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue that a player that can help the ML club in 1 year, with either the ceiling of a glove/bat 3B or #1 starter, holds more value for a team such as the Pirates than a HS player.

The fact that Rendon or Cole could be in Pittsburgh by late 2012 would trump a HS player….FOR THE PIRATES.

So while Cole wasn’t even #2 in some rankings….Rendon was #1 in almost every one.

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with the Cole not #2 argument...

One is that I don’t really think it’s true. People have had Rendon and Cole as 1 and 2 going back to the College World Series last year. The only difference between then and now was that Purke was mentioned quite often in the same breath as Cole.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 examples i can give off the top of my head

Keith Law had Cole #3 on 2-18 and the USA Today had him #3 on 3-9.Purke wasn’t #2

by srman on Mar 28, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree...

because everything I’ve read has Rendon and Cole as the clear #1.1 and 1.2. I didn’t forget about Bradley I just don’t think he’s as good as the other three who I don’t think are close to Cole and Rendon. It’s no big deal, lot’s of people have lots of opinions.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradley

He seems pretty good, but not in Cole or Rendon’s class, at this stage. If anyone would be a wild-card to break into one of those two spots, I would think it would be Starling.
Does anyone know of under-the-radar types or guys you like who might fall to the Bucs later in the draft? I know that type of thing is impossible to forecast at this stage (as in, who would have thought they’d get Allie), but who else do you guys like who might fit that category? I kind of like Jack Armstrong Jr, but he’s risky.

by NastyNate82 on Mar 27, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you are looking at players

who had blood relatives play in the majors,Christian Lopes. if not, Jose Fernandez.

by srman on Mar 28, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Law

compared Dylan Bundy to Taillon.

by srman on Mar 28, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Media hype concerning Strasburg and Cole

I have watched Strasburg and Cole pitch on video feeds, that’s is like comparing Roy Halladay to Ryan Dempster. One is elite and the other solid.

Cole is a good pitcher but he is not close to a Strasburg, he appears hittable at the college level and remember they are using the new bats this year. Those bats will hurt Rendons numbers but inflate Coles.

If Rendon is healthy, he’s the pick. I have to say even Springer’s numbers look pedistal this year.

by daddioyeah on Mar 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think anyone is truly saying cole is like strasburg

we’re saying that, just like strasburg, you cant overlook an arm that can reach triple digits. thats why we drafted Taillon, and why we need to look long and hard at Cole.

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

expecting a college pitcher to be "perfect" is ridiculous.

theres going to be games where he gets hit. and hard too. its going to happen.
the reason why Cole needs to be watched is because his arm could be something special.

look at taillon. with his arm, he should have dominated every game in high school. but he didnt. yet he was drafted because of his potential.

same thing should be said about Cole.

by white angus on Mar 27, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

my point

is that NO player is perfect.

A majority of what you read talks down Rendon, and Cole up. No one is perfect.

If there was a “perfect” player to enter the draft…it’d end up being a year when the Pirates pick #2 :P

by insane_sanity on Mar 27, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol... very good point

dammit, if we only had that chance to draft beckham

by white angus on Mar 28, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

that era

has him ranked only 90th in all of d1 baseball

by srman on Mar 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't worry too much about the ERA right now...

at this point in the season that’s one of the least important numbers to focus on imo.

by Slick1 on Mar 27, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

UCLA and other california schools play against better teams than most of the rest of the country

just because his era is too high for your tastes doesnt make him less of a pitcher. check out his BAA and his WHIP.

by white angus on Mar 27, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus,

How much do the numbers really matter? They should be taken into account, but its all about looking forward or “projecting” what a guy can be. Bullington had good numbers and we all see how that turned out.

by NastyNate82 on Mar 27, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

hold up

Bullington also “projected” out as a #3….yet when you read BA’s “report” on him (which Vlad posted a while back) he sounded all of that and then some.

The interesting part of it is that “projecting” a player is the hardest part. People can bash the Bullington pick, but in that draft (when signability was an issue) Bullington wasn’t the worst pick that could have been made. He is a pick that didn’t work out.

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i totally agree

but the biggest problem is that none of the other top picks have panned out. i dont want to bash Paul, but if Maholm is your success story its time to write a new book

by white angus on Mar 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mean to bash the Bullington pick (or didn’t intend to). What I’m saying is that just because a guy has gaudy college numbers doesn’t mean that he’s a fantastic pitcher.

by NastyNate82 on Mar 28, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy Davis rushed for 2,000 yards 2 years in a row! in D1 football. Stats matter a lot in college.

by Mr. E on Mar 28, 2011 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic. Davis was never a prospect, stats mean little on an amateur level.

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! I coulda been the Catholic Karl Malone if my only competition was 16yr old jewish kids.

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Davis was never a prospect…

Never an elite prospect, maybe, but he was a high third-round pick out of school (62nd overall). Teams don’t pick guys that high if they don’t think they have a shot of being pretty good players.

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, just for reference...

…Davis went two picks after Darren Sharper, and three in front of Dexter Coakley. That’s not “nobody” territory.

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

not worried

just responding to your comment about his era.

by srman on Mar 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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