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After having watched Gerrit Cole on Friday, I wanted to take a look at Anthony Rendon today. Unfortunately, Rendon was in the lineup once again as the DH, batting fourth. After having spent the last week playing third, he was limited to DH duties this weekend, which means the shoulder is still bothering him. This will be a real concern if it carries further into the season.  Anyway, I did watch the entire game and saw all of Rendon’s at bats. Once again I would like to remind everyone that I am not a scout and that I watched the game online. I did not have the benefit of video playback, either, so my analysis of Rendon’s swing will be limited.

Rice faced the University of Central Florida today, capping off this Conference USA opening weekend series. Today’s game was the rubber match, as UCF won Friday 7-2 and Rice took Saturday’s game 6-2. Unfortunately for the Owls, they lost the game today 5-4 dropping their season record to 16-11 and most likely knocking them out of the top 25.

Coming into Sunday, Rendon was 1-for-4 with six walks in the series. With Rendon having been walked 33 times this season, I was curious to find out if he was being pitched around due to the relative weakness of the rest of Rice’s lineup. Well, I cannot speak for the rest of the season but he was not pitched around today. UCF pitchers went right at him and Rendon finished the game going 3-for-5 with a double, one run scored and no walks.  

6-foot-7 junior Ray Hanson started for the Knights today. For such a tall kid, Hanson did not bring the velocity I expected. I didn’t get any gun readings today, but his fastball was straight and didn’t really overpower anyone. Hanson went right after Rendon in his first at bat in the bottom of the second. Rendon took a fastball on the outside corner to go down 0-1. He took the second pitch for a ball and fouled off the third, quickly putting him in the hole 1-2. Rendon then took the next pitch for a called strike three on the outside corner. 

In the bottom of the fourth, Rendon came to the plate with a runner on first and one out. He uncharacteristically (from what I have read in other reports) swung at a first-pitch fastball on the outer half of the plate and sharply lined the ball up the middle for a base hit. Rendon then attempted to steal second on a full count ball four and promptly stole third because no one was paying attention. It was a very smart and aggressive play, and is evidence of Rendon’s high baseball IQ. He later scored, and Rice broke through for three runs knocking Hanson out of the game. I should point out that in his limited work Hanson was pretty unimpressive. I only saw a couple of average to below average changeups and one terrible curveball.

Rendon showed off his hit tool again in the bottom of the fifth when he turned on a fastball off of lefty Chris Atkins, drilling the ball well over the third baseman’s head down the line in left field for a double. One thing I noticed in that at bat was how fast Rendon gets his hands through the hit zone. It was quite impressive.

In the bottom of the seventh, Rendon faced another lefty, Joe Rogers. Again, I didn’t get any velocity readings today, but Rogers looked like he was throwing hard, at least harder than the other Knights pitchers. Down in the count 1-2 once again, Rendon displayed an excellent two-strike approach taking a pitch low and away, just out of the zone, up the middle for a hard groundball base hit. Given that Rendon takes so many pitches, I was glad to see that he has a very sound two-strike approach where he looks to hit the ball where it’s pitched rather than trying to turn on everything. He has an excellent, and very advanced, approach at the plate. 

In the bottom of the ninth, Rendon ended the game when he bounced out to the shortstop.

In all of Rendon's at bats but one, he took the first pitch, and in two of them they were strikes. As stated above, he has an excellent two-strike approach, displaying a consistent ability to go with the pitch. This approach allows him to be selective early in the count and is a likely reason he draws so many walks. He displayed a lot of confidence hitting behind in the count.  It is evident to me that he has a plus hit tool. Unfortunately, this was really the only tool I could observe today. Nothing Rendon hit today had any loft, so I wasn’t able to gauge how much power was there. I really wanted to see him get a chance to launch a ball, because his three home runs on the year is a bit of a concern.

I have heard a lot about Rendon’s complicated swing and timing mechanisms. I didn’t observe anything too complicated, but he does have an open stance in which he brings his front foot in as the pitcher is about to throw the ball (this must be the timing mechanism). Rendon is very balanced when he is in his “ready position.” His shoulders are parallel to the ground and his weight is properly loaded on his back foot, which enables him to stay back on breaking pitches. He has extremely quick wrists and excellent arm extension. He explodes through the zone and can easily cover both sides of the plate. Rendon was not off-balance in any of his plate appearances. He did not look fooled nor did he lunge at any pitches. Knights pitchers did not challenge Rendon inside much today, which seems like a missed opportunity, because if there is any weakness at all in Rendon’s open stance, I would think it would be inside.

I would like to see more of Rendon, especially in the field, but he was far and away the best player present, even when he’s just the DH. If he is playing hurt now I cannot wait to see him healthy. I would like to reiterate that Rendon was not pitched around today, which indicates to me that all of the bases on balls he's received may be in part due to his excellent approach at the plate and discipline. Again, I can confirm that he has a plus hit tool. His aggressive approach on the bases also indicated that his ankle must not be in terrible shape.

Rendon is the number one or number two draft prospect this year in large part due to last year’s monster season. Nothing I saw today convinces me that his draft status should change much, if at all. I don’t think he forgot how to hit for power; I am convinced it’s a product of the shoulder injury. Rice announcers indicate that they and members of Rice’s staff believe the same thing. Even if the plus power does not return I think he will still be a player with average power and a very high on-base percentage. That's still really valuable, especially if he is able to play above-average defense. The only real question is how well, and how long, Rendon can play in the field down the road. The three injuries he's endured are all thought to be flukes, but three injuries in two years is a trend to me. That said, if these are fluke injuries and Rendon can return to the field, I definitely can see a potential all-star third baseman.

This post is not meant as an endorsement by me for the Pirates to draft Rendon. It's to early in the season for me to make that call. But the Pirates could sorely use his on base abilities in the middle of their lineup.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

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I hope and pray that rendon stays healthy and turns into what people have said he could be… but he just seems so injury prone, the ankle what twice and now his shoulder this year, he just doesnt seem very durable.

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by Bobby Hill on Mar 27, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

i m starting to have doubts about Rendon now. (Not so much in the context of the #1 pick, as his ability as a player and whether it will be limited because of the injuries)

by BurgherKing on Mar 27, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

and no one is mentioning that his power drop could be because of the new bats

but judging from what Slick said about his skills, they are undeniably above average

by white angus on Mar 28, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d disagree — in almost every Rendon post someone brings up the new bats and their affect on his power.

As you stated though, Rendon has an advanced approach at the plate.

Per Jim Callis (2/21/11): “I would still take him over Harper, as much as I love Harper,” Callis said last week. “I still think Rendon beats him to the big leagues — not that it’s really a consideration — but he’s also proven himself against premier competition. He plays a more premium position now that Harper has moved to the outfield. I don’t buy that Harper’s a longtime centerfielder. No one touches Harper’s power but Rendon is no slouch.”

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the Callis quote. I couldn’t remember who said this on Rocco’s show last year.

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by BostonBuc on Mar 29, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another great job of reporting

I am still on the bandwagon on drafting him first overall. Making solid contact to me is the key when nursing an injury. From your report he doesn’t appear to have changed his mechanics due to the shoulder problem. The power IMO is still there, I just think he is not seeing the quality pitches to hit. Teams are keeping the ball on the outer have of the plate to prevent him from pulling the ball.. They don’t want Rendon beating them, knowing the rest of Rice’s line up is weakened by key injuries.
The major ankle injuries are my main concern! But you mentioned him stealing bases so that’s great news. Shoulder injuries take time to heal and even though he is hitting DH those muscle groups are not getting time to completely heal… Only rest will do that! And with Boras as his advisor, he will not be signing early, so he will have plenty of time to rest and rehab it!

by Krid on Mar 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The thing about the ankle that doesn't bother me as much as it probably should

Is that while the injuries were both to the same ankle, one was a break and one was a ligament tear. They seem like two fluke-type things, as I can’t remember smaller guys (there’s the Sam Bowie and Bill Walton examples, obviously) having chronic foot problems. Obviously any further injury to that foot would be a giant red flag, but if he’s stealing bases with ease, it makes me feel a lot better about it. The shoulder isn’t a real concern unless it lingers into spring.

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by CW on Mar 27, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally

I’m still on board with Rendon, but its great we seemingly have legitimate choices.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Mar 28, 2011 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

on 3-25

Rendon did play 3rd base. Over the weekend,during the Texas- Oklahoma St games the announcers were talking how the change in bats this year,hitting is down in all categories.Wonder if the change in bats also is having some affect on Rendon at this stage of the season.

by srman on Mar 28, 2011 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Great job!

I’d still go with Rendon with the first pick. Even if he’s ‘only’ a 20-homer per year hitter and not the >30-homer per year hitter we may have wanted, that’s not a debit the Pirates can’t live with.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 28, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Rendon

So…“only” a 20-homer per year hitter and a plus glove at 3B.

Remember, the > 30 HR guy will be at 1B.

Not bad at the corners…with this deep draft, could we draft some potential “stud” HS arms in the 2nd-8th rounds? Remember…with TB having 12 picks, they can’t just go draft 12 studs — they’d have to budget for it. I see them either 1.) drafting some kids that they may deem unsignable…only to get the picks next year and spread the draft $$$ over 2 seasons, or 2.) going with signability…which could force a nice arm to us in the 2nd round.

No one seems to be talking about the issues TB could have with the draft this year — are they going to shell out $10m+? Or are they going to pick some guys they KNOW they can’t sign…to get the comp pick next year? Any thoughts?

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts

they’ll spend a good bit, but they’ll also look to find talent that’s underrated, and that can be had for slot or thereabouts. Not with all picks of course, but I’d expect them to sign about 9-10 of the 12 picks at least…

by BurgherKing on Mar 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I agree with you — hasn’t the talk been that this year’s draft is quite deep while next year’s draft is not?

I would love for them to draft “underrated”, signable talent. That could lend to some higher-bonus babies making their way to us with our #2 pick (albeit at #60+ or whatever).

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

uh- not sure if this was clear

but when i said “they”, i was talking about Tampa Bay.

I dont expect the Bucs to go cheap either, and its easier for them since by pick 3, they are around (past?) a 100 picks; but I’d like to see them find some talent/sign guys from the early rounds (1-10), unlike last year.

by BurgherKing on Mar 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

misunderstanding

Burgher: I was referring to TB also — if 10 of those 60 picks before Pittsburgh’s 2nd round pick were “signable” players going to TB…then maybe a “higher-bonus demand”, high ceiling player fall to us in the 2nd round.

I’d just hate for TB, from the Pirates perspective, to go out and draft the best available talent…and put forth a $20m budget to sign them all. I think that TB having that many picks could lend to something nice falling to us in the 2nd round.

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

good glove, 20hr, good obp? That sounds ok, but I’d rather have an ace pitcher at #1.1 if this is the case and try to teach Walker to take a walk after sliding him to 3B.

by Mr. E on Mar 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

If you figure out how to teach players to take walks…please apply with the FO. You’d be worth your weight in gold…even if the price wasn’t inflated. There are a ton of players in our system that could your insight.

While you’re at it, if you can convert Walker into a 3B with a plus glove…again, your value just continues to escalate! Could you work some of that magic with Alvarez?

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker

Walker was a pretty good 3rd basemen at AAA and probably better than Alvarez, the problem is Alvarez can’t play 2nd base and no one else in the system is a better player than Walker at 2nd base.
Rendon could very well end up with stats similiar to Walker if Walker did not have to bat 2nd in the order.

by leadoff on Mar 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I said "try"

I.E. I’m ok even if Walker does not learn to walk more. If that is what Rendon will turn into then I think a no.1 pitcher has more value.

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your comparison is not apples-to-apples.

If you’d like to apply the ceiling of #1 to Cole, then please apply a reasonable ceiling to Rendon as well.

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know what his ceiling is, I was saying if he truly isn’t the power guy we thought he was. How is that not a reasonable ceiling for him?

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets look at it this way...

I’d argue a higher ceiling than you are on Rendon, but regardless…if Rendon or Cole were to be the pick, basically Pirates fans could say “good pick”.

If neither pans out if we pick them, at least they picked one of the top 2 or 3 players in the entire draft.

by insane_sanity on Mar 29, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

but what if rendon is NOT a 20hr guy? what if hes just meh?

for the record, i like rendon and wont complain a bit if he is drafted. i just dont see the big hubbub just yet when the draft is still a few months away

by white angus on Mar 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say

we just draft Bubba Starling and end the debate.

by insane_sanity on Mar 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starling won't sign

Bubba is going to play OB for the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Don’t take that hope away from me.

by SojourningPirate on Apr 5, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The big hubbub began nearly two years ago. It persists in Pittsburgh because the Pirates haven’t had a multiyear top-of-the-shelf hitter since Giles had in his prime years in Pittsburgh. Before that we’d have to go back to Bonds. So….

Of course, if Kendall hadn’t gotten hurt, Guillen hadn’t lost his mind, the dumbass FO hadn’t given Aram to the Cubs, we’d have had a few players who could also have made the grade. Bay did it, but only for one year. Rendon allegedly projects to a .330/.430/.550 hitter. What’s not to like?

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are laughing. Why?

Rendon is not limited to having just a sweet stroke. He also has great pitch recognition skills and a solid approach at the plate. If Freddie Sanchez could hit .340, I see no reason that someone with a great swing, a great eye and a disciplined approach to hitting cannot hit .around 330 during his peak. Rendon has two of God’s gifts that hitters would want to have and old player skills. As a draft pick, Rendon’s comparable players who were recently drafted are guys like Harper, Cabrera, Young, Upton, Hamilton. If he flounders or becomes a middling player, well, that’s just the way it goes. If his propensity to suffer injuries derails his career, well….

You’ll need a lot more than LOL — read: nothing — to get me to back off my position on Rendon.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

freddie did it ONCE. and im sure with a high BABIP or whatever the metrics are...

and im not trying back you off of Rendon. im not trying to change anyone’s mind. but asking a guy to hit 330 when its a rare occurance these days is asking alot.

youre putting rendon in a category with Ichiro, miguel cabrera, pujols. thats more like wishful thinking.

i hope youre right though.

oh, and im still LOLing.

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t vouch for .330, but the comparisons I’ve seen say (ceiling) Longoria with less power, Ryan Zimmerman with less glove.

So he hits .280-.300 with 20-22 HR and solid RBI numbers, all with a plus glove at 3B. Wouldn’t that make him a positional rarity…one of only, say, 3 or 4 in all of the ML?

by insane_sanity on Mar 29, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not trying to diss Rendon here. I like his game alot. his swing is beautiful and his glove is legit.

but his injuries are also legit. they are not hammy pulls, or blisters, or turf toe, or caused by playing pickup basketball. ankles and shoulders are the real deal. hes a tough kid though, i’ll always respect him for that.

but expecting Rendon to put up zimmerman/longoria type of numbers is just wishful thinking, just as much as Cole putting up Strasburg numbers.
and im not saying Cole should be picked first overall. and i know Cole could get injured. but so could rendon.

either pick will be a good pick.

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

As long as we pick the best player (we feel) is available, that’s fine. I don’t want them picking some guy starting for Pitt this season due to “signability”.

by insane_sanity on Mar 29, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My problem with this is

that sounds exactly like Neil Walker if we moved him to 3B.

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, no...

Neil Walker won’t have OBP’s over .400. That’s a huge difference between the too. Taking nothing away from Walker; he is fine player hopefully developing into something more but he does not possess Rendon’s on base abilities. And it’s a pretty big gap.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

7 hitters had a .400 OBP last year.

If he’s hitting in the .280-.300 range with 15-25 HR power I doubt pitchers will be avoiding him enough to ob .400. Yes, he will OBP higher than Walker but 20 or 30 points seems more likely and that’s only if Walker doesn’t improve. To me, I’d rather have a Lincecum, Sabathia, Josh Johnson than a Neil Walker with a better eye at 1.1, especially when you already have NW.

by Mr. E on Mar 29, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get your point but disagree...

he has terrific control of the strike zone. IMO, if he’s in the .280-.300 range you’ll list his OBP will be over .400. I’d be willing to bet on that. His approach at the plate is extremely advanced and is way ahead of where Walker was at the same age. Plus you are really underestimanting the importance of OBP. I think Rendon will be a real high wOBA guy while I think Walker will struggle tp stay in the .340 – .360 range (which is pretty good). I think Rendon could be in the .340 – .360 his first season. That’s how disciplined he is at the plate.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he will OBP higher than Walker but 20 or 30 points seems more likely and that’s only if Walker doesn’t improve.

Rendon already has 33 BB this year, in only 27 games. That puts him only one behind Walker’s total in 110 ML games last year.

Just sayin’…

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rendon is also facing college pitchers, not major leaguers. and not even minor league pitchers

you have to expect Rendon’s numbers, including walks, to go down once he goes pro

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker is also a lot further along in his professional career...

And yeah I would expect Rendon’s numbers to go down too but right now you are talking about a guy carrying a plus .500 OBP for the last year and a half.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is anyone NOT expecting that?

The point is, he should have crazy-good discipline and a very high OBP, not “we can expect him to post more walks than games played when he gets to MLB”.

by tobynotjason on Mar 30, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

cmon man, lots of players had good contact rates in college

many of them walked more than they struck out. anyone expecting Rendon to have a very high OBP may end up feeling duped.

by white angus on Mar 31, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying that you don't think...

he will be a high OBP guy? Exactly what are you basing this on?

by Slick1 on Mar 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i said "may end up"...

i like rendon, im just playing devil’s advocate over here…

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by white angus on Mar 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think what Mr. E is saying is that unless Rendon shows that he can really hurt with power, ML pitchers aren’t going to let him walk that much. Of course, I think depending on where he is on the 15-25 range, that’s plenty power!

by BurgherKing on Mar 29, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the only hitter on that team

what an assinine statement.

What college pitcher will throw to him with that piss poor line up around him?

Throwing up 33 BB’s already as a fact that he’ll OBP .400 in the bigs?

Sounds like a huntington assinine thought

by daddioyeah on Mar 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn't pitched around...

in the game documented above if you bothered to read the recap. That’s at least three pitchers right there. That was the whole point of doing this thread. It is very possible that Rendon’s high OBP is the result of skill and not a shit team around him. His team was much better offensively last season and he had an OBP over .500. How do you explain that?

by Slick1 on Mar 30, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't.

Trolls hit and run.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Mar 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pssst...

…it’s “asinine.”

See, when there’s that red squiggly line underneath something you’ve typed, you should pay attention to it.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Mar 31, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is nothing wishful about my thinking. Rendon has profiled as just that kind of hitter.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with angus on this one

Projecting a guy who’s still in college to hit .330 in MLB is absolutely LOL-worthy. You cannot be serious.

by maguro on Mar 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m serious. Laugh if you want. Rendon profiles as a best in a generation hitter coming out of college. That may turn out to be hype or injuries may ruin his career, but Rendon has not be portrayed as a good major league player. He’s been portrayed as an impact player, one that lacks the whiff tendencies that have diminished the careers of other touted players.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree that he’s capable of .330/.430.550, but that is more a best case scenario than a likely outcome. You’re basically saying a college junior projects to be a hall of famer, which is way overstating the case, IMO.

by maguro on Mar 29, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols looked like a HOFer right from the get go. He was how old when he first came north with the Cards?

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not comparing Pujols to Rendon save for the fact that we know Pujols was always a great hitter and showed that at a young age. What that means in terms of statistical output is unclear. But no one doubts that Rendon can hit. Comparing Rendon to Neil Walker is more of a stretch than comparing him to Pujols. I say that and I’ve always been a Walker believer.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand there’s Matt Wieters. Sometimes guys live up to the hype, sometimes they don’t.

by maguro on Mar 29, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true that some well-regarded prospects fail to match the expectations others have of them. Knowing that point does not tell us anything useful about Rendon, though. The majority of the best major league players who were drafted were taken in the top of the first round of the draft. That is also a relevant statistic to keep in mind.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, if you want to think Rendon is certain to be a superstar, go right ahead. I think I’ll just wait a little longer, thanks.

by maguro on Mar 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never said he’s certain to be a superstar. Not in this thread or any other.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 30, 2011 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are a few guys for whom it'll be true.

And it’s a more plausible claim for a #1 overall pick than it would be for just about anybody else.

But it’s definitely an aggressive forecast.

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. There are superb hitters in MLB. Many of them were top of the first round draft picks. Rendon has the kind of stroke and hitting approach which suggests that he too will become a hitter of this kind.

I would not say that it’s an aggressive forecast so much as one that considers his peak years in light of the praise he has been given. My forecast expresses my hope that Rendon is as good as the prospect wonks have claimed him to be.

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Mar 29, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he forgot how to hit for power; I am convinced it’s a product of the shoulder injury.

Very true, but don’t forget the switch in bat standards for college that began this season. Those new BBCOR’s aren’t nearly as live as the old BESR’s, and that’s affecting everyone’s power in college, Rendon included.

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by wg1of5 on Mar 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

they are making a big deal out of

the changing of the bats.the stats say that scoring is down almost 2 runs a game throughout college this year.hitting and almost all power numbers are down.

by srman on Mar 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

part 2

http://projectprospect.com/article/2010/07/23/anthony-rendon-scouting-report-part-ii

I believe the best thing for the Pirates is if the best player in the country is a bat (Rendon) and not an arm (Cole).

by my dixie wrecked on Mar 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, that's part of it

Also, the injury rate is so much higher for pitchers than position players. Not many injuries to position players are career threatening but those types of injuries happen to pitchers all of the time.
And let’s be honest, for the Pirates to succeed, just about everything has to fall their way. Missing on a #1 pick would be devastating for this franchise. It has been devastating for this franchise. Everyone talks about Rendon’s injury history all of the time and frankly that seems isolated and doesn’t concern me even close to as much as the thought that Cole could break at any time and be out for what, basically 18- 24 months? Or in other words, 2 of his 6 years on the Bucs- if he’s ever the same. The chance to grab a game changing talent doesn’t come around very often and if their ceilings are roughly the same, I’d always want a bat at pick 1-1.

by my dixie wrecked on Mar 28, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yet Rendon, right now, is having injuries and not Cole.

look, if Strasburg or Prior were available with the #1 pick, you would do it. I know Mauer was picked before Prior, but the Twins selected him for signability over Prior.

and yes, pitchers get hurt. either its their shoulder, or their elbow, or a line drive back into their pucker. it happens.

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

do you think the Nats have regrets signing strasburg? not yet they dont.

he wont be back to “normal” for a long while, but everyone knows the risks for pitchers. Cole can throw triple digits. so can taillon and allie. but they were picked and the selections were applauded, yes???

dont just say Cole is an injury waiting to happen. either he is top pick worthy or not, and FUTURE chance of injury shouldnt even be in the thought process

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you think the Nats have regrets signing strasburg? not yet they dont.

You’re right, but that’s only because there wasnt another talent in the same stratosphere as Strasburg.

either he is top pick worthy or not, and FUTURE chance of injury shouldnt even be in the thought process

He is, but so are others (well, probably singular in this case). And future chance of injury should absolutely be in the thought process.

by BurgherKing on Mar 29, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think what he means is...

How is future injury risk a bigger detractor for Cole than the current and past injuries of Tendon? Col may get hurt yet Rendon has 3 times.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

But the question was why hiters are preferable to pitchers in general. In this specific case, Cole may be a lesser injury risk than Rendon, but usually that is not the case.

by maguro on Mar 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In general...

agree with what you said 100%. I guess I lost that as the thread grew.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yet Cole may never get hurt.

and Rendon may have shoulder issues that move him over to first base, and his ankles could be a problem as well.

we’re assuming that since Cole is a pitcher that he has a better shot of getting hurt. i give you this… thats probably true. but it doesnt mean he will.

by white angus on Mar 29, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh...

I’m going around in circles. I did make that point in the post just above that Maguro just responded to. When analyzing on a 1-1 basis (Rendon to Cole) Rendon’t injuries have to factor in and even up the injury risk between the two a bit.

by Slick1 on Mar 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

and yet, Cole may get hurt with his first pitch as a bucco and rendon may stay healthy his entire career.

or rendon could get hurt with his first jog down to first and cole may never get hurt his entire career.

we can play this guessing game all day, in the end, all we have to look at is the video and the stat sheet.

We have to unify and watch our flag ascend!

by C Shint on Mar 30, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cole is not a strasburg or a Prior

so quit the fricken dumbass comparison about if they were available at 1, they would be taken so that means Cole should be taken.

dumb dumb and dumber

by daddioyeah on Mar 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in his defense...

Keith Law is the one that made the comparison to Strasburg and he gets paid to analyze these players for a living. Not really sure what your point is with your last couple of posts other than to dumbass people.

by Slick1 on Mar 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't figure out

whether you’re BFD / JaketheSnake or one of the other trolls… your style (misspelling, random forgetting to use capital letters, lame cursing, etc. ) is like one of them, but I can’t put my finger on it…

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Mar 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake the Snake...

he always ends on something insulting and condescending.

by Slick1 on Mar 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

historically, most college pitchers dont top out at 99mph

Some of the ones who do, though, turn out like Todd Van Poppel, or Roger Salkeld, or Jason Neighborgall. Pure velocity is not in and of itself a guarantee of future stardom, or a get-out-of-injury-free card.

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rendon

I don’t know if there is a stat that tells us how many times Rendon has it the ball to the warning track, that would be the only way I can figure out how to tell if the bats are his home run hitting problem, in other words, how much distance is Rendon losing with the new bats? It sounds to me like he is more of a line drive, spray the ball around type hitter and if the pitch to hit out is there, he might go for it.
He still looks like the pick of the liter in this draft to me, but the thought of Taillon and Cole in the same rotation is certainly intriguing.

by leadoff on Mar 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

if rendon IS more of a line drive guy, then the majority of pirate fans are in for a rude awakening.

they assume hes a legitimate power threat. plus with PNC’s vast left field, and rendon batting right handed, the HR numbers will not be anything to write home about.

since PNC park has opened, which right handed batter has hit the most dingers at home?

by white angus on Mar 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure that would do it.

The new bats have a smaller sweet spot, so some of the “just missed” contact would be horizontal misses just off the center of percussion, which wouldn’t end up on the track.

by Vlad on Mar 29, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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