Giants 3, Pirates 2: Weak Defensive, Offensive Play Late Ruins Good Effort By Charlie Morton, Pirates Bullpen
by Charlie Wilmoth on Apr 27, 2011 12:00 AM EDT
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Charlie Morton had a nice start tonight, striking out six batters and allowing one run in six innings while continuing to pile up ground-ball outs. The Pirates took a 2-1 lead into the seventh thanks to a long solo homer to center by Garrett Jones in the second and an RBI single by Lyle Overbay in the sixth.
It's a shame the bullpen had to take the loss in this one, because they actually pitched pretty well. Chris Resop relieved Morton with two men on and no outs in the seventh and got two foul outs and a strikeout, the last on an epic at-bat against Mike Fontenot that would have ended earlier if the ump hadn't missed a called strike three. Then Evan Meek came on and ... well, okay, he allowed the first two batters to reach, and had to be replaced by Joe Beimel. Beimel and Jose Veras then got three straight batters, only allowing a run on a sacrifice fly. Veras was then filthy in the ninth, striking out the side with some excellent breaking balls. (Clint Hurdle's confidence in Meek doesn't appear to be particularly high right now - don't be surprised to see Resop and Veras start moving up the leverage ladder while Meek moves down.)
The game went into extra innings, and the 10th was bizarre - Nate Schierholtz doubled to start the inning when Matt Diaz charged in too aggressively and missed the ball. Then Darren Ford tried to bunt the runner over, but Lyle Overbay made a great play to get to the ball and throw Schierholtz out at third. Unfortunately, Overbay missed a slightly errant throw by Hanrahan to get Ford on a pickoff attempt, and Ford went all the way around to third. Freddy Sanchez then grounded out to second, and Ford held still until Neil Walker threw to first, at which point he took off. Walker's throw was a bit soft, and Ford beat the throw home. Chalk that last run up to some awful defensive play, and to Ford being really, really fast.
In the meantime, though, the Pirates' offense did nothing. Ronny Cedeno even came to a stop while running from home to first because he believed the ball he had just hit was foul. He was wrong. The Bucs managed only five hits on the night. Oh yeah, and Pedro Alvarez tried to sacrifice bunt in the seventh, when the Pirates were trying to get an insurance run. He popped it up. Awesome.
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Not only that, but after the bunt failed, he sent Cedeno to get caught stealing second. Talk about managing yourself out of an inning…
cedeno's slide was weird...
it really was to the right of the bag, and his leg didnt even look extended. im not one to bash Ronny on here, but his mind is jelly right now.
it was weird
but it wouldn’t have mattered, the throw beat him there
eh
I agree with Bob Walk that, had Cedeno slid directly into the bag, he very well may have beat the tag.
I agree that, if the throw beats the runner, they are typically out. But the throw in question was chest high and a tag had to be laid down from that level. When a tag is coming down and a runner is under, they can get that call.
Instead, Ronny tried some sort of crawling-sideways-reach-for-the-bag-hook-slide. FAIL.
by insane_sanity on Apr 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I said this in the game thread.....
But, someone needs to inform Hurdle that the sacrifice-bunt is an awful play regardless of who he has doing it, but especially the guy with the most power on your team.
It’s really unacceptable.
Re: Meek, I hope you are right that he is being demoted on the leverage-meter. It is deserved and not surprising considering how fortunate (re: lucky) he got last year. Resop and Veras have been much better than Meek, thus far. Their leverage-situations should reflect it.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Apr 27, 2011 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
Hurdle
We knew he was going to do this going in, but they still hired him. The number of sac bunts he had hitters drop in Colorado is insane.
But, he explicitly said he did not like the sacrifice earlier this year......
Words say one thing, actions say another. Disappointing…..
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Apr 27, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont have a problem with it
Pedro gets the damn bunt down we don’t have a problem, hes strugglin at the plate and a left handed pitcher (Affedlt) was throwing, with 2-1 lead in the 7th and guy on 1st base, with Brandon Wood and Jose Tabata coming up, i would bunt too, because there was a good chance Pedro would take two cock shot fast ball down the middle of the plate be in the whole 0-2 then swing at outside pitch roll his wrist over and ground out to 2nd base in which they would turn a double play. Which is kinda what we had anyways when he pop bunts it and Cedeno gets thrown out on the next pitch anyways, so my point is irrelevant. I don’t even know why i talk.
yes, i agree. if pedro got the bunt down, it could have worked out for us.
announcer said that was the first bunt ATTEMPT in pedro’s professional career, but every batter practices bunting on a nearly daily basis.
no one expects Pedro to bunt, so the play may have been a good call.
Agreed....
..I have no problem w/ the bunt call…ALL players should be able to adequately handle the fundamentals of the game and that includes bunting. I’m not saying Pedro should lead the league in bunt attempts but there is nothing wrong with a surprise play now and then…..sometimes it’s execution over talent that wins a game…..
by Marooned Pirate on Apr 27, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagreed
With a runner on first and nobody out, you will score on average .941 runs.
With a runner on second and one out, you will score on average .721 runs.
Even if the sacrifice works, you’ve decreased your average run expectancy.
Even if you are playing for one run there – which you shouldn’t be in the seventh inning – a successful sacrifice decreases your average probability of scoring at least one run from .441 to .418.
Execution matters, but the manager’s job is to put his players in the best position to succeed. Bunting a runner from first to second with a one run lead with nobody out in the seventh inning and a power hitter up – well, that doesn’t cut it in my book.
by DG Lewis on Apr 27, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. The only time, IMO, when a bunt makes sense is a man on second with zero outs in the bottom of the ninth inning during a tie game. That run is the only one that matters, and run expectancy actually increases.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
I don't know if I'd go that far
I could see some other situations where it makes sense, depending on who’s up, who’s on deck, and who you’re playing. Say, down one run, top of the ninth, runner on second and no out, number eight hitter up (so you have a pinch-hitter on deck). But the seventh inning up one run is not the time to play for one run – and bunting a runner from first to second with no out isn’t even playing for one run effectively.
there was a good bunt earlier this season
On April 3, Overbay’s bunt with runners on first and second and no one out in the top of the ninth actually increased the Bucs’ win probability a smidge. (And turned out to be decisive, as it put Walker in position to score on Pedro’s infield single.)
But yeah, it’s almost never the right play, and this particular decision sucked donkey balls.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 27, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree and i will tell you why...
Pedro is facing SF Giants pitching… those numbers will be going down when you face one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.
theres nothing wrong with trying to catch the other team off guard, guys. you keep going by the numbers yet not realizing that those stats are inflated by bad pitching teams
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Pedro is facing SF Giants pitching… those numbers will be going down when you face one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.
Yes, they will. I don’t think it’d be enough for the bunt to have been a good idea, though, given that Pedro’s probably pretty rusty at bunting.
so
add bunting to the long list of things pedro has to work on?
by BurgherKing on Apr 27, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
our hitters practice bunting all the time
it was pedro’s job to get it down, and he didnt. in fact, he looked awful up there doing it. at least keep it down and maybe it bunts foul.
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe they should be practicing hitting instead
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't make sense to me...
wouldn’t the odds of scoring from second with one out go down as well. Same good pitcher whether or not the guy is on first or second.
I can understand what you're saying.....
….and I think I clarified my point in saying i don’t expect Pedro to bunt often however, having a player bunt who is currently struggling to find their stroke is not an out of the world call…….if he laid the bunt down everybody would be cheering about what a bold move it was….
by Marooned Pirate on Apr 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if Cedeno scored and the Bucs won by 1
If he laid the bunt down, then Wood walked, Tabata flied out, and Cutch grounded out (as happened in the game), everyone would still be lambasting Hurdle for wasting an out.
however......
….a hitter goes to the plate with a different mindset (if you will) with a runner on 2nd or 3rd so the actual results you mention may, and note the use of the word may, have been different had Pedro laid down the bunt. It’s early in the season and Hurdle is actually “teaching” his players, something I don’t think they’ve gotten much of at the MLB level. And again, at this point Pedro has hit more mosquitos than balls so it wasn’t an awful call….it just didn’t work this time. The botched attempt here may in fact prove successful later in the year…its a learning process…..part of the teams failures over recent memory, IMO, has been an overall lack of playing solid, fundamental baseball…. I think Hurdle is trying to change that…..
by Marooned Pirate on Apr 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree on the use of sacrifice bunts
but agree 100% in this instance.
wtf was he thinking?
by insane_sanity on Apr 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone see the Doc Halladay/Charlie Morton side-by-side they did on baseball tonight?
Are we living in an alternate universe?
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No, I did not....
But, if someone could get a video of it up, that would be sweet.
How awesome would it be if Chuck could become a homelass-man’s version of Doc?
Damn, I can dream….
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Apr 27, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really dreaming too hard
Honestly their career paths are very similar, Morton just got off to a later starts than doc in regards to the mechanical challenges. K’s were up tonight, his only problem is the fear of left handed hitters. And I don’t wanna hear about babip, it becomes irrelevant when Morton rarely gives up hard contact.
gotta love all them broken bats because of Charlie.
and Ive seen the comparison video of morton/halladay. the beginning of their move is different, but once they both turn their backs away from the plate, its almost perfectly mirrored
Brandon Wood hit a hard shot right to the fielder in his second at bat, to go along with a walk and a strikeout. Obviously the Los Angeles numbers are ugly, but I’d be tempted to keep giving him a few starts at shortstop.
by Adam Reynolds on Apr 27, 2011 12:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
and Wood was robbed of a double by Kung Fu Koala
sandoval looks good out there, by the way.
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I literally LOL’ed at “Kung Fu Koala”, which wouldn’t be so bad if I weren’t sitting in the middle of my crowded office right now.
giants played a heavy shift against him all night
kung fu panda was glued to the 3b bag every time he was up
It's all relative.
With the mound being closer to home plate and the Little Leaguers being at the beginning of their development process, the pitches probably seem like they are coming in at 90 mph.
and how often do you see little leaguers bunt? rarely sucessful.
my argument is making less sense by the minute.
We were taught to sac bunt, drag bunt, slug bunt, how to bunt to the left or right side of the field, how to hold the bat at the proper angle to get it down, don’t attempt to bunt a pitch above your hands, don’t wrap your top hand around the handle, don’t take either hand off the bat just slide your hands, etc. When I see guys in MLB who can’t do these things I can’t help but go, “WTF?” We don’t have enough time to cover throws from the outfield and baserunning blunders the Pirates teams of the last 15 years have made. It seems half the guys in the Majors have a ton of talent but can’t play baseball.
because its not as easy as you think it is!
look what happened to freddy sanchez last night. lined up to bunt against morton and nearly got his hands taken off…
guess Freddy needs to work on getting that bat out in front a little better, eh?
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
Watch Freddy’s hands on that bunt attempt. He makes two mistakes, first, he has is top hand exposed to get hit, second, he takes his bottom hand off the bat when he squares, reducing his bat control. I’m not saying that was an easy pitch to bunt, but he did make mistakes on the attempt.
Where do I say it’s easy? How do you know how easy I think it is?
i know, cuz im awesome
dont you pay attention?
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
"can't play baseball"
A few things:
- every MLBer was by far the most talented kid in his town (OK, not nec. in The Woodlands or whatever, but close enough) – they got by on sheer talent into HS, and possibly through HS. Ryan Howard wasn’t being drilled on bunting 3 times a week from age 5 to the minor leagues. They’re coached, obviously, but they’re coached to maximize their skills, not to become well-rounded
- Colleges very much coach & develop for winning now (as someone mentioned in some thread yesterday), which means that they’re not focusing on long term development of fundamentals. Among other things, in a short college season, the “little things” matter a lot less than they do in a 162 game season.
- The minors can be a place for focus on the fine details – the coaches know them very well, and most of them believe strongly that they’re important – but they’re also a place where players start to struggle for the first time in their lives, and they’re not struggling for lack of bunting skills or subtleties of fielding footwork – they’re struggling to make fundamental adjustments, so that’s where most of the coaching and learning are focused.
- A lot of players are, no offense, dumb jocks. They may even have brilliant minds for things like anticipating pitches or reading a pickoff move, but that doesn’t mean that they’re going to be able to absorb everything that’s going on. And since it’s all happening lightning-quick, if the knowledge of how to do exactly X isn’t perfectly ingrained, they’re not going to be able to produce it. Haters like to bitch that Jeter’s famous flip against the A’s wasn’t that big a deal, but part of the reason it happened was that Jeter was able to produce, in the heat of the moment and in a split second, a play that he’d been instructed on and practiced a bit, but that never comes up in games and that wasn’t exactly embedded in his muscle memory
I agree with your points. There is a difference between talent and skill. Many of the players these days seem to lack a lot of skills. That is why I say they have tons of talent but can’t play baseball very well. Knowing which base to throw to in a given situation doesn’t require talent and it’s something everyone can learn.
How many times did we have to see Jason Bay throw the ball to the wrong base allowing runners to move up and eventually score because of a bad decision on where to throw the ball? I believe teams like the Pirates should focus on playing good fundamental baseball when you can’t afford to field an All-Star at every position.
I could do it
And I was awful. Honestly, the only thing I could do at the plate was bunt, but I was good at it – good enough to make hits, and I wasn’t fast either (this was true all the way up through age 11, maybe older – it wasn’t against 7-y.o.s who couldn’t throw the ball to first).
That said, there’s 2 reasons that I think far too many major leaguers are bad at it: there’s a fair amount of touch involved, which is hard to develop when you’re doing drills twice a year in ST plus for like 3 pitches every day in BP, and not knowing what the pitch is going to be I think plays with their heads – you’ll see guys try to bunt pitches that they’d know to lay off of if they were swinging, but I think there’s an element of, “Coach said I gotta bunt on this pitch.”
wood showed a good arm and nice footwork at SS last night, but wasnt really challenged out there
and it looks like Ronny is playing himself out of a job. i have no idea whats going on in his brain. anyone see how red Hurdle was talking to him in the dugout?
and the fact that Ronny C kept walkin away from him
only made Hurdle even more redder
Wood, in only 2 games, appears to have more patience and strength then Cedeno ever had.
Sink or swim Wood needs to be the starting SS. Cedeno’s days as a Pirate are almost numbered.
the more pressure for Ronny, the more mistakes he makes.
i believe you are correct.
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
with the pedro bunt, i think that most people here are looking at with 20-20 hindsight vision. Most mlb competent players can put down a normal, effective bunt. Assuming he does this simple task, theyve got a guy on 2nd and had a good shot at bringing in an insurance run. so 9/10 times thats a good move. Certainly not Hurdle’s fault to think that Alvarez could bunt, i mean he should at least be able to do that.
Pedro probably hasn't been asked to bunt since he was in Little League
The manager needs to recognize this and strategize accordingly.
this is ridiculous
if the manager wants you to bunt over, you fricken do it. it has nothing to do with not bunting since little league. they practice bunting ALL THE TIME!!!
we were facing the Giants, guys. great pitching over there, ya know? its not like we’re facing the Dbacks or, egads, the Pirates pitchers. We all knew going into the game that Cain and their pen would be seriously stingy. so what the hell is wrong with using a power bat to move a guy over?
you cant put stats on this. you cant say that you have a better chance to score runs by swinging away without considering the pitching staff youre facing.
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
“We all knew going into the game that Cain and their pen would be seriously stingy. so what the hell is wrong with using a power bat to move a guy over?”
Because if you’re facing stingy pitchers you — pardon my shouting — DO NOT WANT TO GIVE AWAY FREE OUTS.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m looking at it and wondering whe the hell a power hitter is bunting in the first place.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Apr 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See above
Assuming he does this simple task, the Pirates have reduced their chance of scoring at least one run, and reduced the expected number of runs scored, so 9/10 times that’s a horrible move.
Subject to circumstance-specific revision, of course.
That’s the percentage for a generic pitcher/batter/runner. The calculation shifts a bit if you customize it for the specific individuals concerned. (Though not in Hurdle’s favor, I wouldn’t think. How much time does Pedro spend practicing his bunting?)
Agreed
although as others have noted, Pedro is more likely than many to GIDP, so at least bunting avoids that possibility.
Plus lefty on lefty
That may have been the bigger factor. So far this year, Pedro looks like a pitcher when he’s up against a LHP.
I like stats but...
sometimes they lie IMO. With a one run lead late in the game if I have option A) runner on second with one out, or option B) runner on first, no outs and a “power hitter” who hits a lot of ground balls, I take option A.
Awful lot of apologists for Hurdle here.
You never have a guy like Pedro bunt. It’s completely indefensible..
Also Pedro probably never bunted even in Little League. He’s was probably the biggest, baddest, most feared kid in his little league.. No coach with a kid like Pedro would ever waste an at bat having him bunt.
He may be a good teacher and motivator, but Hurdle is fast proving himself to be a jack ass when it comes to the nuts and bolts of managing.
by BarryJT on Apr 27, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
never bunt alvarez plus get that joke of a player Cedeno out of here.
sorry charlie, I know he’s your bud but Wood needs to play daily.
by jackiegleason on Apr 27, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
you guys are completely wrong tonight.
and calling Hurdle a jackass is just juvenile. dude knows more about the game than all of us… except me, cuz im awesome.
by white angus on Apr 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you are,
Juvenile that is not awesome, but what am I?
And the dude doesn’t know more than all of us, because most of us know it’s completely stupid to ever have Pedro try to bunt.
I was encouraged...
…that Morton did such a good job of keeping his new fastball in the zone, without losing its motion. It’s just one game, but it looked like he’s developing a better feel for the pitch.
Whygavs had an article about Morton’s PitchFX — couldn’t even identify his pitch that was average 86-88, called it a splitter.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
Sorry, terrible grammar there.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
by ryebr3ad on Apr 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's done an excellent job
mixing in four seamers lately as well
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Yeah, uh, during the GDT somebody posted that Freddy Sanchez was a little bent about his time in Pittsburgh.
So the question I ask is: is he schizophrenic?
“People sometimes try to pin me down on that,” he said by phone from San Francisco the other day. “But I’d never say anything bad about Pittsburgh because I’d never think it. People here say to me all the time, ‘Oh, you had to have been glad to get out of there. It had to be terrible.’ The way the Pirates and the fans treated me … I had a great experience there.”
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
I never heard Freddy Sanchez say anything negative about the Pirates
Maybe someone had him confused with Nate McLouth.
or Nyjer Morgan
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 27, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Got it.
theres actually an article about freddy winning a world series ring, and he flat out says he would still play for pittsburgh if they didnt screw him over.
by JJDURNEY88 on Apr 26, 2011 6:14 PM MST reply actions
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I will NEVER forget the standing O at the All-Star game.
Priceless.
by insane_sanity on Apr 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Veras has a nasty slider
this game showed that we still haven’t developed that killer instinct to put teams away we have the chance to.
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Did anyone see the Baseball Tonight segment on Morton last night?
They showed a side by side comparison, mechanically, of him and Roy Halladay. It was actually was eerily similar
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supposedly
don’t know what to read into it though, having Halladay’s action and pitching like him or anywhere close is a different thing altogether…
/debbiedowner
by BurgherKing on Apr 27, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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by WVPiratesfan on Apr 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a whole lot, sure
But it was nice to see someone from the Pirates get something positive said about him. Mostly because I can’t think of anything negative to say about Roy Halladay as a pitcher. If he develops his mentality and toughness on the mound though, then we’re talkin
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
BTW, how uncanny is the Cain/Morton parallel?
I had noticed pregame that the records and ERA lined up (3-1, ERAs within 0.15 of each other), and the radio guys noted that both of them had had 3 strong starts then struggled in their last outings. Then last night they go out and throw practically the same pitch count (62/97 Cain, 59/96 Morton), same number of IP, hits, and Ks. Oh, and they both got no decisions.
Doesn’t mean anything, but kind of wild
Can anyone
that saw the end of the game comment on Hanrahan’s pick-off throw to 1B?
Does “Unfortunately, Overbay missed a slightly errant throw by Hanrahan to get Ford on a pickoff attempt, and Ford went all the way around to third” tell the whole story?
BTW…Ford was F’N fast!!! We see McCutchen every day…but that little shit was MOVING!
This is why MLB - TV is such a deal.
I honestly don’t know what else is available/what replays, highlights, etc – but the archived games are start to finish.
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by victor frankenstein on Apr 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol - game was on TV, I just went to bed -- mlb.tv is sweet though
The throw was def into the runner at 1B.
Wow, did Walker lolly-gag that play. He had time to pump Ford back, and still have a play at 1B. I’d say Maz needs to work with him on this…but this was something he should have already known. IF in and everything….
Yeah, OK
Having watched it now, 2 things:
1. For Overbay to get that throw would’ve required a bit of luck IMO – it’s thrown towards the runner’s rib cage, and so Lyle needs to basically snap his glove into the right spot in a split second – there’s no room for any kind of sweep or scoop, and it’s a long(ish) reach.
2. Clearly Walker threw too soft, but I still think it takes a near-perfect throw from Overbay to get Ford even if Walker snaps his throw – the guy was just that fast.
Also, a third thing – almost nobody else could have made 3rd on the error. It was a close(ish) play as it was, and the guy was blazing. Gutsy play.
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