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Pirates Sign Dan Meyer

The Pirates have signed pitcher Dan Meyer and assigned him to Indianapolis, Jenifer Langosch writes.

You may remember Meyer as the key player for the Athletics in the Tim Hudson deal many years ago, but his career has been stuck in neutral since then, as he struggled over and over in Class AAA Sacramento. He seemed to improve a bit in 2007 and then had a bit of modest success when he was finally transitioned to relief - he had a decent season in the bigs with the Marlins in 2009. In 2010, though he spent most of the year back in the minors after struggling in a few innings at the big leagues and dealing with a calf injury.

He was released by the Phillies a few days ago. He'll provide minor-league depth, but it wouldn't be a shock if he performed well and earned a callup at some point, particularly given the Pirates' current dearth of good lefty relief pitching.

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Off-Topic: Smizik at his worst?

There are some on here – particularly WTM and Vlad, offhand – that know finances, arbitration, etc more than me by a mile. So, with that being said, I am open to being proven wrong…..

But, I think Smizik may have made his worst point ever about the devils that Coonely and Huntington, in his warped sense of reality. In his latest post of drivel, he cites two moves as evidence supporting his opinion that the Pirates, under Nutting, too often have finances and saving money at the heart of their baseball decisions. The two he cites? Releasing Lastings Milledge and trading Javier Lopez.

Can he possibly be any more stupid or is this a blatant attempt to lie/fabricate that will shortly be thrown back in his face by his ‘readers’? Seriously, wouldn’t us keeping Milledge been less expensive than signing Diaz, who for all intents and purposes, was his replacement? And, secondly, not mentioning any of the return that we got for Lopez – including our LH bat off of our current bench – were we not paying essentially pennies compared to any number of players that we could have given away to save some amount of money more than paying Lopez (re: Doumit, as in taking on some of his salary and essentially dumping him)?

Trading Javier Lopez……..and releasing Lastings Milledge (who was making the minimum, I believe)…….are the best examples Smizik can come up with as evidence that money too often influences baseball decisions? That has to be the most baseless grounds for his near-daily attack on the Fo, is it not?

I am a complete loss…..

If someone has a different take on this, I would love to hear it. But, from the surface, this looks like Smizik has finally (I think he did years ago, fwiw) lost his f’n mind……

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Apr 6, 2011 1:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct.

If the White Sox don’t like what they see from Milledge this year, they can non-tender him without penalty, just as we did.

by Vlad on Apr 6, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob

wishes he was Woody Paige. What a sad, horrible existence

by Mr. E on Apr 6, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like you, I have a limited understanding of baseball’s finances. But I’m going to throw some of my own thoughts in here.

I can’t stress this first point enough: don’t read Smizik unless you want high blood pressure. I’ve since learned that his best works are those that he finds and posts to his not-blog. Since this time, I’ve also realized that I’m just as able to google the Pirates.

If he’s going to cite the non-tendering of Milledge (who Smizik himself had excoriated time and time again) as a financially driven transaction, he surely missed the even lower hanging fruit of the non-tendering of Matt Capps. Capps had certainly performed better during his tenure as a Pirate, yet was let go with no return at all.

He cites the public punishment endured by the Rooneys prior to the Steelers run of Super Bowls. Then by the end of the “article” on the not-blog, he has indicated that hiring Coonelly was the wrong decision. He reached this conclusion after 3 years. So right after saying “don’t rush to judgment,” he rushes to judgment.

He thinks BN, FC, and NH shouldn’t be commended for the money invested in the draft. After all, that’s the easy thing to do. If it’s so easy to do, why doesn’t he mention any of the drafts from the early 00’s? You know, when the Pirates drafted by signability, not potential. Oh wait, that would involve hating on McClatchy, not the Evil Empire (who also employs an even crummier line of newspapers).

Finally, he cites that the Pirates value at $303 million (per Forbes, I’m guessing) but they do not spend near that amount. I take his statement to mean that he thinks they should spend ~$300 million (maybe not, but probably more than $40-$50 million) on player salary. First, there are not enough players in MLB that would help the Pirates reach that salary. Second, that total value has to be used for other expenses aside from player salary. Plain and simple.

I thank you for helping me procrastinate in my higher education, but please (next time) help me spend it another way other than reading this man.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Apr 6, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poop, my line about crummy newspapers was referring to McClatchy, not the Evil Empire. McClatchy Newspapers occasionally have articles permeate the Virginia Tech newspaper. Trust me, they’re awful.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Apr 6, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cost efficency

Actually, Milledge was eligible for arbitration last winter, and would have made around $1M. That’s not a lot of money. But if you hit a tree, 2 minimum salary backup corner OFs will fall. So why pay double the price for the same result ?

Lopez was also eligible for arbitration last winter and signed for $2.4M. For a lefty specialist, that’s a lot of money (even if the market for relievers is going crazy lately). NH has shown twice that he can build a decent bullpen on the cheap.
Is our bullpen short on lefties ? For now yes, but Biemel is expected back soon, so that should help. And again, he will not be paid $2.4M.

In both cases, NH tried to get the same quality for the same or lower price. We should love this.

 
IMHO, in general, people (GMs, writers, fans) like to rely on recognizable names.
In the Pirates’ case, that’s why local guys still refer to Nady, Jack Wilson, Freddy and McLouth as exemples and wouldn’t have traded them unless it was for Pujols and a PTBNL. They were all average MLB players*, but they were our players.
And, I think, that’s why GMs tend to keep on signing guys like Melky Cabrera, Francoeur, Church or Atkins. They may not be better than a marginal AAA prospect, but they’re recognizable names.

  • The comparison was not made to argue the actual WAR of these players

by From France on Apr 6, 2011 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

Milledge himself is now basically a minimum salary backup corner OF. I think his major league salary (on what was originally a minor league deal, no less) is $500,000. The Pirates should have paid him more than double market value just because.

by ElDuce on Apr 6, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smizik was down on the Dotel trade, too

He seems to think that highly paid veteran relief pitchers are “the new market inefficiency”.

by maguro on Apr 6, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

can we just all agree on Smizik's column's stupidity?

and leave it at that? I mean, I m sure getting tired of bashing the same mindless column…

by BurgherKing on Apr 6, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Can he possibly be any more stupid or is this a blatant attempt to lie/fabricate that will shortly be thrown back in his face by his ‘readers’?

This will not explode in Bobbo’s face.

His “readers” / followers are way too busy patting him on the back and tonguing his arse.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Apr 6, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Image

I did not need that image in my head of anyone doing anything to Smiz’s butt.

by Slizeezyc on Apr 6, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, then - my work here is done.

Hi-yo, Silver!

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Apr 6, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Analyzing a Smizik column is like analyzing the downsides of a city having no garbage pickup.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Apr 6, 2011 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

There were a few good parts of the Smizik piece:

For example:

Nutting has been described by his many critics as some sort of evil force whose sole purpose in owning the Pirates is to bleed profits from the team. The charges against him come from basically two groups:

*True Pirates fans angered by the team’s 18 consecutive losing seasons and reaching out for the most convenient target. That would be Nutting, whose family has been associated with the team for 15 of those seasons. It’s understandable fans would blame the owner. For years, Steelers fans blamed the Rooney family for the fairly consistent losing prior to 1972. However, the notion the Nutting family should be held accountable for all the sins of this franchise for the past 18 years or even 15 years is beyond ridiculous.

*Internet bullies who use their anonymity to make the most outlandish charges against Nutting, few of which they are able to substantiate.

and

It’s not so much Nutting’s inability to sign big-time free agents that is holding back the Pirates. The team is not in a position to add such players at this stage of its current development, nor would such players be easily attainable by a team like the Pirates, even for the right money.

Not enough of that to make it a good piece, of course, but we are talking about Smizik here. You kind of have to grade on a curve.

by Vlad on Apr 6, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree it is worthless to argue with a Smizik piece.....

I simply had to make this post because I thought it was the height of his absurdity…..as absurd as that may sound.

by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Apr 6, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The ne plus ultra, as it were?

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Apr 6, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, if I may comment on Charlie's post...

I was skimming along, not making much of the move, ’til I got the lefty part. May not mean anything, but I certainly like any move that adds players between Moskos and the 2011 bullpen.

by JRoth95 on Apr 6, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

You, sir,

are the voice of reason.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Apr 6, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey look!

Another former Marlins reliever! And another former 1st-round, majorly-hyped pick!

by Tuckshop25 on Apr 6, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

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