Window shopping: Chris Davis
by GTrain on May 25, 2011 12:50 AM EDT
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So it is getting to be that time of year again where we start looking at minor leaguers, guys in crowded infields and outfields, and once top prospects that may have lost some of their luster, or just enough to no longer be untouchable. Please refrain from railing against trading for other people's garbage because that isn't what this post is for. It's for weighing in on your level of interest in a player, where they might fit in on our team and what you might be willing to pay for him. If the answer to any of these is "zero" so be it, but please keep it on an even keel. I welcome anyone to post one of these using the very catchy feature name I tacked on there, so that it will be obvious what the post is rather than 10 "Dexter Fowler?!?!" and "Lars Anderson the answer at 1st?" threads. Of course I'm way to lazy to do a large number of these but this probably wont be the last. Windowshopping: Chris Davis...after the jump
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Davis has legitimately lost the "1B of the future" spot, first to Justin Smoak, who was traded and now to Mitch Moreland. Even though the Rangers say he is still a part of their future, there isn't really anywhere for him to play now that he is blocked by Moreland, and Michael Young taking AB's at DH. in 2009, he came up for about 2/3 of a season and hit .238 with 21 HR's before crashing to earth last year hitting .192 with 3 HR's in 120 ABs. He has been up and down since the start of last year and in 48 AB's this may hit .250 with 3 HR, though sporting a 5 BB: 17K ratio. While not world beating it is a good sign, but he was recently sent down to make roster room for Hamilton and Cruz.
I will leave it to those more knowledgeable about his periphs and issues to elaborate in the thread. I am cautious of another Jeff Clement, but I believe Davis is better. The Rangers have a need for bullpen help and have been linked to Hammer, though I personally feel that is too much, and probably think Meek is too much as well, but would be happy with Veras for Davis in a sell high scenario. I would much rather have Davis a young power bat with upside, who I feel would give us Overbay's production at a fraction of the price. Also the Buccos could start Wood, Pedro and Davis and power PNC on the wind energy from their massive strikeouts (sorry, cheap shot)
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my opinion of Davis...
underrated fielder, but better at 1B than 3B. hitting wise? pedro alvarez with a chip on his shoulder? doesnt sit and wait like Pedro, literally misses wildly on curve balls.
hes almost on par with Overbay with the glove, and his ability to play 3B helps his value. but just like clement, bowker and hopefully not pedro, his lack of adjusting to major league off speed pitches is a huge crutch.
Mark's probably the best one to ask about Davis..
However, I second almost everything you say here angus.
Imagine everything we hope Pedro Alvarez doesn’t become: Chris Davis
Do we really need a Texas Wind Machine?? He’s all or nothing with the bat. In 925 major league plate appearances, he’s struck out 295 times.
On the positive side...
If we were to acquire Davis and start him, Pedro and Wood at the same time we would probably have enough wind energy to power all of Pittsburgh. This is the next phase of Nutting’s evil plan: load the lineup with free swingers while converting all power sources at PNC to wind power. So far this season he’s making a fortune. And who says Nutting doesn’t know how to execute a plan?
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
SALE REKNEWABLE RESOURCES!!!!one!!!!!eleven!!!
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Holy crap!
I totally did. Sorry. Guess I should have read the whole thing. Damn speed reading techniques.
I give myself a -1 for not being original and another -1 for not reading the post in it’s entirity. That’s a combined -2 for those of you scoring at home.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
2 years ago
I really wanted him.
Now?
DO NOT WANT
Pass on Davis...
If we really must acquire a 1B there are better targets to be had. See Yonder Alonzo in Cincy for one. Besides, Davis is likely to be released soon enough anyway.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
If he’s released, doesn’t hurt to pick him up and have him swing in front of a mirror, does it?
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on May 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
nope
a picture of Jose Bautista above the mirror can’t hurt either.
by BurgherKing on May 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't mean his release is imminent...
but he’s had a couple of legit opportunities he hasn’t taken advantage of yet. He also has a pretty decent hole in his swing. Given that Texas is in win now mode I don’t see Davis getting too many more opportunities. There is also a ton of talent in that system so I think at some point he could be released. I wouldn’t give up anything of value which is what I should have said in the first place.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Yes.
Davis is out of options after this year, and with so many 1B problems across MLB, I’d be very surprised if the Rangers can keep him in AAA next year. His time with the Rangers is coming to an end for sure. The question is who gets him.
His numbers have been pretty decent this year so far (OPS=.800) but he still has that 35% K rate. SSS though…he has 5 PAs against lefties and has 2 hits and a walk.
I wouldn’t give up anything close to Hanrahan for him. That would be crazy. He could be a throw in on another deal if we were going to trade Overbay and you wanted to platoon Davis and Pearce to see how that might go. Seems like moving Garrett Jones to 1B might b a better thing to do for the Pirates.
by MarkInDallas on May 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Toronto had trouble trading Overbay for 2 years…I don’t see where we are going to have success doing it.
Toronto also had a much more expensive contract with Overbay.
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by Stealing First Base on May 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s released, doesn’t hurt to pick him up and have him swing in front of a mirror, does it?
Only insofar as it prevents you from giving the playing time to other, better players.
I'm not high on the guy,
I was being facetious. It’s unlikely the Pirates could store him in Indy until he finds his swing (I think). Otherwise, he’d be taking ABs from Overbay, which some people here probably wouldn’t complain too much about until he let them down.
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-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on May 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
At first base?
Like…?
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by Stealing First Base on May 25, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Presley and Bowker are outfielders. Pearce, I agree, but clearly the organization has some sort of vendetta against him. Maybe he drinks too much Pepsi.
I’m not saying that Davis is a good option. I’m just saying that we don’t exactly have a wealth of better options either.
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by Stealing First Base on May 26, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm, enough
Pearce is not being screwed over. thats ridiculous. and Bowker is a 1Bman who can almost play OF.
I looked yonder
but didn’t see Alonzo.
…are you sure he’s in Cincy?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Alonzo is in Lousyville (Louisville) hitting .313/.376/.509 with 5 HR, 23 RBI in 42 games.
check out Davis' numbers in AAA
just sayin
by white angus on May 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh...
you mean the 24 AB with 10 hits and 10 strikeouts. He strikes out about every 3rd AB no matter where he plays.
career .330 average with a .966 OPS in AAA, thunder
better than anyone that the Pirates have had in years, if you go by the numbers.
Guys who K a lot in the minors don’t project as well when moved up to the majors as guys with the same raw OPS who don’t K a lot. And of course, Davis’s upper-minors numbers have generally come in good hitting environments.
.330 and .966 is still excellent
not every player gets those numbers playing for Oklahoma City.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If you take that line, account for the park effects, and then apply the necessary discount for Davis’s K rate, there isn’t all that much left on his batting line, particularly given that he’s a 1B/DH without significant fielding or baserunning value.
then you have to take out park effects for everyone who has played in the PCL
but Davis is a good fielding 1Bman.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
then you have to take out park effects for everyone who has played in the PCL
Yes, you do. You account for park effects for any player who plays at any level.
Now
Vlad, why are you trying to stir up trouble with your reasonable and logical thoughts and ideas…
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lolol
i know Vlad is correct, but hitting 330 in AAA is still very very good no matter the ballparks.
the reason hes not hitting in the majors is not the ballpark because Arlington is very hitter friendly. its because of MLB pitching, plain and simple.
its the reason why Wood has struggled. Wood hit 100xbhs in one season in the low minors. it doesnt matter if its in a hitter friendly park, its still impressive. if it wasnt, lots of better players would be doing the same thing. Wood struggles against MLB pitching, thats all.
and thats almost impossible to overcome.
the reason hes not hitting in the majors is not the ballpark because Arlington is very hitter friendly. its because of MLB pitching, plain and simple.
Correct. When hitters have an extremely high K rate in the minors, that’s usually an indication of a significant weakness in their skill profile, which MLB pitchers are then able to exploit. A hole in the swing, an inability to spot or lay off good breaking stuff, etc.
We’re using different terms to talk about the same thing here.
Other guys who mash in AAA:
Jeff Clement
Brandon Wood
And they both have the same problem as Johnson.
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by Stealing First Base on May 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. At some point the FO is going to have to stop saying we need to K less and just go after guys that K less.
by MarkInDallas on May 25, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd been looking at Yonder the last week or so
They’re playing him in the outfield in Louisville right now, and there are conflicting reports to over whether he’s adequate or bad. If he can’t make the transition to outfielder, is he a potential target with Votto cemented at first?
http://www.rakesofmallow.com
Are there really conflicting reports...
from everything I’ve read he isn’t passable at all which would make him a trade candidate. Only question is what do we have that the Reds would want?
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Well, I think the one positive report I read was from the Bats' website
So not that conflicting.
Well, they just sent Edinson down, are they a Maholm candidate? And with Chapman’s issues, maybe a reliever? Toss in Gorkys so Starling has a spot at AAA this summer?
http://www.rakesofmallow.com
I wouldn't trade Gorkys for that
Move him to a corner, it’s not like anyone else is there other than Presley.
As for who they would want? Well, I’m of the opinion that literally every contender is almost always looking to boost their bullpen, and the Pirates have alot of that. So there’s that possibility. They’re probably set long term at just about every position around the diamond, but they could probably use Pauly. Although I’m eyeing the Yanks as a possible destination for Maholm.
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Obviously
they move Votto to RF to make his value skyrocket for me in my keeper fantasy league. Alonso (not Alonzo) is interesting. He hit well out of college, struggled last year, and has seemingly bounced back. He won’t be anything super special, but hes a solid player with a bit of potential that’s close to the ML and should succeed there. However, if he can play RF, he stays in Cincy, and if he can’t, I don’t really see the need for him and Pedro.
Plus, I’d much rather talk to Texas and look for Profar (noooooooooo thank you on Chris Davis) and friends in a package.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Id take Davis as part of the package
Profar and a maybe the return of Tanner Sheppers???? lol
No.
I do not want Tanner Scheppers. Not only would it be PR suicide for this team, he’s hurt, and quite frankly, I don’t know that he’ll ever be right. No.
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Gorky is a nobody
a no pop no average Of’er and you wouldn’t part with him to get a possible REAL 1B?
Move him to a corner? Now that is funny!!
About Davis, his weakness is the breaking ball along with bouts of losing the strike zone.
Many in Texas feel it’s a mental thing as when he is at AAA, he’s much more relaxed and patient. He still K’s alot but many believed he was the next Adam Dunn.
Guys who can hit .250 with 35 plus dingers will produce alot of runs.
He is a very good 1B by the way.
by jackiegleason on May 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Angus, you...
never miss a beat, never miss a beat…NEVER MISS A BEAT, NEVER MISS A BEAT!
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
That was good
the guys a 240’s slap hitting OF’er, sounds about perfect for a corner OF’er.
A guy like that makes your old LF’er Morgan look like Babe ruth
by jackiegleason on May 25, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have seen him, too.
Odd that comment, eh? Coming as it does from an anonymous internet poster.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
you want “your” team to trade the next Adam Dunn to “our” team, the team you love to deride at every opportuinty. The next Adam Dunn for a releif pitcher seems like a really bad move for “your” Rangers.
by Wizard of Woz on May 26, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If they fail to get Reyes
and don’t like Furcal, Cedeno would honestly be an upgrade for them. I’d start at Maholm + Veras with Cedeno an option for Yonder and friends.
and don’t like Furcal, Cedeno would honestly be an upgrade for them.
If they want to make a change at short, they can just bring up Zack Cozart from AAA. Good glove, and enough speed and power to provide decent offensive value in spite of some BA issues.
cedeno would be an upgrade for them???
i thought Ronny was the worst SS in baseball… the worst in baseball history, even!!
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Ian Stewart?
The Rockies just lost De La Rosa, would Paul Maholm for Ian Stewart make sense?
According to Rosenthal (in an impossible-to-link video blog), we checked in on the price on Stewart last week. Not a particularly serious inquiry, just seeing whether the Rockies felt like cutting bait and selling low.
I could really see the Pirates tryin to obtain him
Former played for Clint…used to be a top line prospect…power potential. Def feels like a Neal Huntington target.
Josh Fields called… says please take Stewart of the Rocks’ hands
Actually, Fields is in Milwaukee now. Brewers claimed him on waivers yesterday.
fo realz??
thats what i get for not checkin the transactions sheets
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction:
The Brewers apparently did NOT claim Fields. The initial point of origin on the report, MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy, apparently confused Wilson with Fields, and then ESPN spread the story all over the place.
he confused Wilson with Fields?
yeah, they sound almost identical… another writer jumping the gun so he can be FIRST on a story…
I’ve advocated getting Davis all year. He’s going to rot in Texas, and he could be a perfectly solid 2 WAR first baseman for very little cost.
No to Ian Stewart. We already have Brandon Wood.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
"We already have Brandon Wood."
…you say that like it’s a good thing.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 25, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean it like that, trust me.
We don’t need two horrible third basemen who can’t do anything but pelt meatballs.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
by Suffering Buc on May 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
phew.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 25, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No to Ian Stewart. We already have Brandon Wood.
Totally different players. For instance, Stewart can hit like a major league-caliber player, while Wood can’t.
Also, Stewart’s left-handed.
yea Stewart and Davis both have shown they can put up numbers at the Major league level
While Brandon Wood has never hit above 250.
If you stuck Stewart at SS, his non-SS-caliber defense would probably put you in less of a hole than Wood’s non-SS-caliber offense does.
Which isn’t saying much, but since we’re talking about Brandon Wood, it doesn’t take much to be a better option than him.
question..
do any of you guys support any of the players or do we just nag and pick and find faults in everyones game?
this is not a spiteful question, Vlad, and not necessarily aimed at you. just wondering why we all slam our Pirates’ abilities or lack there of instead of just enjoying the game and ROOTing for our team.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do any of you guys support any of the players or do we just nag and pick and find faults in everyones game?
Why can’t I do both?
I bitch and piss and whine and moan about moves that I don’t like, but if we picked up Chris Davis tomorrow, it’s not like I’d root for him to strike out whenever he came to the plate.
I think he’s better than Bowker and Clements, but the question is how much. Overall, I’d claim him if on waivers or otherwise for free
by Adam Reynolds on May 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No thanks.
We already have Chris Davis on our roster, but we call him Brandon Wood and he can also play SS and 3B.
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by Stealing First Base on May 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
Wood has been significantly worse than Davis.
by Adam Reynolds on May 25, 2011 8:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. It’s not even particularly close. Davis had half a season’s worth of very productive at-bats a few years ago. He’s been buried on the depth chart and done nothing lately, but he’s still young and still strong as a bull. I won’t say he’s “good” at third base (he’s way worse than Wood, actually), but offensively, he’d be the best first baseman in the organization.
If he gets waived, some AL team will almost certainly claim him.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
by Suffering Buc on May 25, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I won’t say he’s "good" at third base
Good, because he’s not, and I’d hate to see you jeopardize your immortal soul by lying.
Davis is a ghastly defensive 3B, even worse than Pedro.
offensively, he’d be the best first baseman in the organization.
2011 ZiPS (remainder of season, incorporating 2011 performance):
Steve Pearce: .337 wOBA
Garrett Jones: .335 wOBA
Ryan Doumit: .334 wOBA
John Bowker: .330 wOBA
Lyle Overbay: .324 wOBA
Chris Davis: .322 wOBA
If he gets waived, some AL team will almost certainly claim him.
Good. Let them have him.
i have read reports that Davis is NOT ghastly at 3B... and i wont go into that UZR stuff.
im going off scouting reports that i read last season about Davis’ future with the rangers. hes above average at 1B and adequate at 3B.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The numbers say that he’s awful. The scouting reports that I’ve read have been very negative. In the little that I’ve seen him at the position on TV, he hasn’t looked good.
What else am I to think?
man, you sure do watch alot of baseball on the tube
im just going off what i read about him last season when he was sent down
by white angus on May 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
man, you sure do watch alot of baseball on the tube
Hardly any nowadays, since I don’t have cable anymore. I did still get ESPN back in ’08, though, and I caught a few games where he played third that year.
I suppose it’s possible that he’s improved since then, but to my eyes he looked pretty rough.
no offense Vlad, but how do you guage all of these prospects when you hardly watch baseball any longer?
you flying around on your Leer jet, stopping at each college along the way, with your wife… morgan fairchild…….. yeahhhhhhhh, thats the ticket.
i think
they’d want prospects. Not sure we’d wanna do that
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 25, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than Sanchez and Cain I’d have everyone on the table (I don’t think the 2010 guys are options yet). Owens would be tough to swallow but his ceiling is probably lower than it was 3 months ago. Owens + Marte is probably worth 2.5 years of Drew. Even better if they took something like Wilson + Cunningham since Drew’s D this year is nowhere near is 2010 season and without it he’s merely average.
Um... this is just my opinion
but as you put it
since Drew’s D this year is nowhere near is 2010 season and without it he’s merely average.
An average SS is very valuable, don’t get me wrong, but I think the gap between Drew over the next 2.5 years and D’Arnaud/Mercer/Cedeno isn’t enough of a gap to give up Owens + Marte or Wilson + Cunningham.
I dunno. That’s properly an appropriate return, but I don’t like it.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 25, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Although
I guess its true he could bounce back to being a solid-above average SS, increasing his value that much more. I guess I’m just talking circles. Drew would plug in well for the next two years as the rest of the core improves and we got a few more pitchers into the majors. That could be a good ball-club, and Drew could serve as a very good stop-gap even if he we can’t resign him. If we can, all the better.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
but drew IS a solid, better than average SS.
enough with the UZR, or dWAR stuff. Drew is a good shortstop. end of argument.
The advanced stats have him about average
or just above, with a big improvement over teh last few years, from below average to better.
Not sure if just stating that he is a better shortstop is a discussion-ender.
by Wizard of Woz on May 26, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
"Not sure if just stating that he is a better shortstop is a discussion-ender."
No it is not. Has anyone made the Arizona argument. Last I checked he had some serious home vs road splits.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
lots of players have serious home/road splits
im amazed that every player we talk about stinks in some shape or form. that we all expect these guys to be amazing at their job, 100% of the time.
well, thats how i read into it on occasion.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
When you are going to have to give up...
as much talent as the Pirates will have to in order to get Drew I think it’s reasonable to look at everything in regards to player performance. Would suck pretty bad to deal three top prospects and find out Drew’s true talent level is slightly better than Cedeno’s on offense. If I’m acquiring a piece like Drew he doesn’t have to be amazing but he should be above average because if he’s not he’s not worth the cost of acquiring him.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Owens
Its a bit crazy to suggest his ceiling has changed in the last three months. He’s only been pitching for two months, and his stats are blown out of proportion by three bad starts. He’s been dominant for more starts than he’s been bad if my memory serves correctly.
Cunningham might be too valuable to trade, especially if he figures out how to limit his strikeouts. The pop he’s showing at an offensively anemic position has to be tantalizing for the Pirates.
There is definitely an argument against moving Owens but it doesn’t look like the K numbers are going to translate to higher levels which makes him Maholm/Duke like in terms of impact. Basically a couple years of #3 and a few of #5 or worse numbers. I probably just gave him a higher ceiling than most cause I thought he could be a legit top of the rotation guy. Now I’m not convinced of that.
“especially if he figures out how to limit his strikeouts.”
That’s pretty much the key to Jarek and exactly why he’s available by me.
Dan Uggla + Zach Duke for Drew doesn’t look bad to me and that’s if the prospects make it.
Wow
I hope Cunningham could turn into Uggla. Career WAR before the debacle this year is 19.6 over 5 years, including 3 years of 4.5 WAR +. He’s a borderline elite 2B.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ok I undersold Uggla on his walks, didn’t know he was that good. Apparently he is a plus baserunner too and I’ve no way to judge JC on that. Uggla with 30 points less of OBP then?
I'd
still be very happy about it. The funny thing is Cunningham’s ceiling is pretty dang high, but it’d still be foolish to consider him turning into Uggla-lite a dissapointment. As Angus pointed out below, the main issue is whether he can stick at 2B.
That said, Uggla has been a -24.0 UZR defender over the course of 6 seasons, or -4.6/150 UZR. Cunningham could get away with being below average with glove at 2B to be an Uggla-lite. Still that’s questionable.
What’s more concerning is as follows
Cunningham minor league stats
BB% (BB/PA) = 5.73
K% (SO/AB) = 25.49
BB:K = .249
Uggla minor league stats
BB% = 8.15
K% 20.04
BB:K = .461
Those gaps aren’t huge, but they are enough that Uggla may be “squeezing by” in the show while Cunningham won’t make it. It’ll be more than just a difference of 30 OBP points, because pitchers will take advantage of Cunningham’s lack of plate discipline in the major leagues. Plus, Cunningham’s numbers are deteriorating much faster than Uggla’s (Cunningham’s plate discipline was actually acceptable in rookie ball – 14BB:26K in 148 AB and 174 PA).
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think Cunningham would be a disappointment if he turns into that but that to me is like his, I’m not sure how to word this, most likely ceiling? So if he works out, I can see him like that.
He also has a high bust potential right now until he improves his BB/K numbers. Of course he certainly has the potential to do so
i dont think Cunningham sticks at 2B...
from what ive read online, hes a future corner man; infield or outfield
Which leads
me to delve into a hypothetical involving the draft – the horror, I know. If we don’t draft Rendon, Cunningham seems the best candidate to fill in 3B when Pedro (inevitably imo) has to move to 1B. His arrival could conicide perfectly with Pedro’s need to move. In addition though, with Lambo’s woes in AAA, Cunningham seems like the best candidate for RF after Starling Marte.
All that being said, Rendon is still top on my draft board, and Bundy is trying really hard to take the 2nd spot and he seems to be winning. Can you imagine the quartet of young arms in the minors – Bundy, Taillon, Allie, and Heredia. Then you have the second tier of ZVR, Stevenson, Dodson, Cain, and Kingham. Heck, if you wanna get even crazier, maybe someone like Henry Owens falls to us in the second round. Regardless, I do expect a few more high school arms to come along in the late rounds, giving us ridiculously young pitching depth (especially if we grab Bundy) to go along with some decent arms higher up in the system (Morris, Locke, Owens, Wilson, Lincoln.)
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
cunningham seems the best candidate to fill in 3B...
without considering any future deals that the FO will make. there is no way this franchise sits on their thumbs. they will not go status quo.
if we dont draft Rendon, it doesnt mean that the Pirates wont aquire a young 3Bman of the future.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If we don’t draft Rendon, Cunningham seems the best candidate to fill in 3B when Pedro (inevitably imo) has to move to 1B.
Farrell is really tearing it up this year, too, and it’s not out of the question that he could jump from AA to the majors in 2012.
tearing it up?
having a good year? yes. tearing it up? i would say no.
when i see Farrell play, which is like about a half dozen times now, i see a guy who is pretty decent around the bag at 3B. average arm. i see a big swing at the plate and the ball DOESNT jump off his bat like it does with Mercer.
he has improved alot, i will say that.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
tearing it up? i would say no.
Fair point. He has cooled off a bit in the last couple of weeks. Still 14th in the EL in raw OPS, though, and Altoona’s a park that suppresses power.
Farrell
is clearly and option. I forgot about him. Harrison is an option as well then. I really really like Cunningham, I just wish’d he’d take a walk.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Cunningham’s power is probably more legit (Yes, Wood had ridiculous power numbers in the minors, but look at the leagues and parks he played in). However, that won’t mean anything if he can’t take a walk/not strikeout a ton. His bat can carry him despite his impending move out of the middle infield.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on May 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno, BigB
sure, NH has participated every year but next year this franchise will have a huge amount of rule5 eligible players. we may not have room for a draftee.
by white angus on May 26, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
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