Pirates Promote Josh Harrison
by Charlie Wilmoth on May 29, 2011 9:01 PM EDT
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PrintRob Biertempfel tweets that the Pirates will place Steve Pearce on the DL, and could promote Andy Marte, clearing space for him on the 40-man roster by moving Ross Ohlendorf to the 60-day DL. (UPDATE: Although there already appears to be an open spot on the 40-man, so the reason for moving Ohlendorf to the 60-day isn't clear to me, unless they're going to put Ryan Doumit on the DL and call up Dusty Brown or something.)
I had hoped Pearce's return would be swift. Marte is currently batting .191 at Indianapolis, so the Bucs would really be scraping the bottom of the barrel here. He would, however, supplant Brandon Wood as the latest 2006 top prospect to join the Pirates, following Lastings Milledge, Andy LaRoche, and Jeff Clement (Scott Olsen missed the boat somehow). Can Joel Guzman, Jeremy Hermida and Anthony Reyes be far behind?
UPDATE: Dejan Kovacevic says he thinks Josh Harrison and Dusty Brown will be joining the team.
UPDATE 10:52 PM: Kovacevic tweets that the Pirates have promoted Harrison. He'll need to be placed on the 40-man roster, so it is now full. If they're going to call up Dusty Brown, as appears likely, they'll need another spot. The Pirates' move to take Harrison over Marte is a sensible one. Not that Harrison is particularly good, but he hit well for Indianapolis, and he certainly should be able to out-hit Brandon Wood and Pedro Ciriaco. I hope the Pirates will find some playing time for him in Pearce's absence.
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Maybe it’s that he doesn’t want to risk losing him if he needs to take him off the 40-man later. They might figure it’s not worth the hassle if he’s only going to be up for a week or two. I’d much rather see Harrison get a shot, though, personally.
by Charlie Wilmoth on May 29, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Harrison is hitting the snot out of the ball.
But the number of roster moves needs to be a concern – especially since Pedro should be off the DL in 13 days.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 29, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of lame, if that's it.
He has to go on the 40-man at the end of the year anyway, or be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. And it’s not like it’d be the end of the world if we had to waive Leroux, or Xavier Paul…
by Vlad on May 29, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it depends on what we are bringing Harrison up for. If he is a pinch hitter only then I prefer Josh, but in that case he can’t play the field. Nothing against Harrison and I hope he makes it but I don’t see where he could play beside 2B or RF. He makes Cedeno look like Wilson at SS. Moving Walker to 3B and playing Harrison at 2B seems risky.
Yinzers uber alles
Harrison is fast and hit respectably in the minors for years. The Pirates’ offense is, most days, completely inept. McCutchen, Tabata, and Cedeno are the only starters with any speed.
Harrison would also strike out something like 25% less than Wood and 15% less than Marte.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
by Suffering Buc on May 29, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
to clarify
I’m totally fine if they promote Josh. He’s fun to watch and fans will like him. I just think that there is a valid argument for not promoting him relating to his defensive issues and having nothing to do with cost or service time.
Yinzers uber alles
I'd rather Harrison get full playing time in AAA to continue to work on his defense.
The guy has like 140 plate appearances total at AAA, there is a good argument for why Harrison is not yet ready for the majors.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Not that Marte is better, because he is not.
I’d rather keep Harrison down to protect service time in case he eventually has a breakout. No reason to waste service time on a season that is already dead.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
No power or D
doesn’t make much for a breakout candidate. But he can’t be worse than Wood or Marte in a small sample.
We gave Wood a shot, but he has shown he doesn’t deserve to be on a major league roster. Let Harrison start at 3B until we get someone back and let Wood collect splinters.
Awesome observations
That reminds of the kind of quality stuff we used to hear from Rocco DeMaro on his radio show.
by Will H. Simpson on May 29, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There seems to be a pattern here.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
Obviously a guy who doesn’t like the new EI show, heard DT posts here on occasion and now has an account promoting Rocco like it’ll get him back on the air.
Rocco is a good sport about it, but some of his former EI listeners need some extra time with their wives or something, or some Xanax.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
+1
I’m a fan of Rocco myself and I listen to his new podcast and all that jazz. He’s really been a class act about the whole situation. It’s not as if dtoddwin had anything to do with his getting fired. If you want to be mad at someone for it, be mad at Clear Channel, but all dtoddwin did was take over the show afterward. And I, for one, think he’s doing a good job, especially considering it’s his first season in a new position in which he’s taking over for a figure that has a pretty large following.
www.stealingfirstbase.com
by Stealing First Base on May 30, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently this the Rocco version
of someone interjecting “Bababooey” in every conversation.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 30, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Service time...
is not an issue. 1) he doesn’t get a full season’s credit, so it’s just the same in that respect as if they called him up in September, and 2) it’s late enough that Super Two shouldn’t be an issue either.
Defense, yes, that’s a legitimate reason to not promote him, but service time isn’t, not at the end of May.
Super Two could still be an issue if he were going to spend the rest of the year in MLB.
But that is highly unlikely.
by MarkInDallas on May 30, 2011 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That assumes two things...
1) that the Super Two number goes below 2 years, 122 days. and 2) Super Two’s survive in the new CBA.
Last season was the only season that the Super Two has gone below 2 years, 130 days. And that was 2 years, 122 days, which is what Harrison will have if he STAYS for his entire future. Which is why I used the word “should”.
Right. The other thing is that service time could be an issue because next year they would have to keep him in AAA an extra amount if he just comes up a short time this year. I really doubt they are thinking in those terms with Harrison, though.
by MarkInDallas on May 30, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Service time isn’t an issue anyway, because Harrison doesn’t project to be more than a bench guy. And there’s zero chance that he’ll spend the rest of the year in the majors.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
You never know, they could be getting sick of Wood right now
And the injuries are unpredictable.
I also agree that there is a 90% shot he won’t be more than a bench guy, but he’s not even 24 yet, his development is probably not yet finished. I’d rather him continue to play every day to work on his plate discipline and defense.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Nope
WTM is right and you’re wrong. No team anywhere worries about service time with bench guys.
by Will H. Simpson on May 30, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel we shouldn’t be concerned about service time at all for someone who will most likely spend his career as a utility player.
www.stealingfirstbase.com
by Stealing First Base on May 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
how is the season already dead?
and if it is, shouldnt that be the time to bring up a youngster, so he can get some real PT? especially one not considered to be a cornerstone?
lets be honest, no one is expecting Harrison to be anything more than a part timer in the show.
by white angus on May 29, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The season is already dead because we have 0% chance at making the playoffs.
2012 is about 95% dead was well. I don’t say that as a knock on the front office, it’s just the reality of the situation. We do not have the right pieces at this time to be competitive. .500 should not be the goal (and won’t be under Huntington), and I don’t believe we could break .500 this year anyways. I’d much rather showcase the older players so that other teams can see what we have to move at the deadline.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
how is that dead though?
we all know the goal is to make the playoffs, but dead???
by white angus on May 30, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If you aren't in a position to be competitive for the playoffs, your major league season is dead in my opinion.
The important things this year are (in no particular order):
1. Moving as much as possible at the deadline
2. The draft
3. International signings
4. Player development, especially at the minor league level
5. Managing the team’s finances properly
Everything else that doesn’t in some way link to one of those goals is largely irrelevant. That includes the major league record.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Hahahahahahahahaha
Wow dude you’re a riot. The major league record is largely irrelevant? Seriously who writes your material? You should be part of the Pirates’ radio broadcasts!
by Will H. Simpson on May 30, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
and showcase what players?
doumit is hurt, maholm is doing well, correia is too. other than a couple bullpen guys, whom do we have to show?
everyone already knows what doumit, maholm, correia, etc can do.
by white angus on May 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If I was an opposing GM, I wouldn't be convinced by 1/3 of a season from Maholm and Correia, I'd want to see a lot more
Players that should be moved at the deadline if an acceptable offer is on the table include Maholm, Correia, Ohlendorf, Karstens, Hanrahan, Meek, Veras, Resop, Beimel, Doumit, Snyder, Overbay, Walker, Cedeno, Wood, Jones, Paul.
Obviously not all of these players will be coveted, but they need to get as much playing time as possible to showcase for other teams.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Showcase?
For what? What’s wrong with playing for right now? And you gotta love adding Xavier Paul into that list. Yeah make sure he plays a lot to up his trade value two months after he gets claimed off waivers. Sheesh.
by Will H. Simpson on May 30, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there is a greater that 0% chance to make the playoffs...
if you are using real numbers.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Fair.
Then what do you think it is? 1%? 2%? It’s a percentage not worth holding players for.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Percentage
What makes you the authority on what chance the Pirates have? Come down from the mountain and share with us.
by Will H. Simpson on May 30, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say there's a 0% chance.
I doubt we’ll make the playoffs, but the NL Central isn’t exactly strong this year. I’d place our chances well below 25%, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility. That said, building as if it were going to happen would be dumb at this point.
www.stealingfirstbase.com
by Stealing First Base on May 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
25% is extremely high.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
So by your reasoning
we should put Cutch, Tabs, Pedro, JMac and whoever else has options at AAA to preserve them for a run in 2013+
Harrison’s defense isn’t that big a deal if he can reliably put the ball and play and get on base at a similar clip to what he’s put up in the minors.
Ciriaco can field anywhere in the infield. If Harrison’s lousiness shows through in the week or two he’d be starting, then insert Ciriaco.
The offense is too horrible not to use your last possible chance at an okay hitter until Alvarez is back.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
by Suffering Buc on May 29, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
40 Man?
Don’t they still only have 39 guys on the 40 man? Why would they need to clear room?
Depends on Doumit
If he’s going to the DL they have to call up Dusty Brown because Jaramillo has an elbow injury. Brown would require a second 40 man spot.
Right, I just noted that in the update above.
by Charlie Wilmoth on May 29, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
@dejan_kovacevic
1 minute ago
#Pirates could be promoting Josh Harrison to take Pearce’s place. This is NOT confirmed. Just sharing something I heard. #MLB
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
Marte has gotten suddenly hot.
He has batted .353 with 3 HRs in the past 10 games. Maybe they think he might have finally figured something out and are worried about the 40 man decision with Harrison for whatever reason. Still, I’d like to see Harrison instead.
no, marte is just going thru a hot streak..
nothing to see here.
by white angus on May 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
And now,
Harrison’s college coach tweets that he’s been called up.
http://twitter.com/#!/CoachClearyUC
I love Twitter.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
Bummer for Pearce
Seems like every time he gets an opportunity to show what he can do, he goes out and gets hurt. Dude is snakebit.
A snake bite wouldn't be too bad.
Unless it killed him.
I just mean that compared to a serious injury, it’d probably be better to get a little snake bite and be over it.
There is no love in the World. There's only pain.
by IAPiratesFan on May 29, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the moves had to be announced before Ohlendorf could go to the 60 day DL, because the 40 man has to be full to move someone from the 15 day to the 60 day. Knowing that 2 moves had to be made sort of forced the Pirates to do this unless they wanted to DFA someone. Now they are free to make a catcher move tomorrow (Brown) to replace Doumit. Evidently, JJ’s elbow isn’t up to snuff.
Moving Ohlie to the 60 day isn’t really a big deal. The 60 days start from when he originally went on the DL, which was April 9th. He won’t be ready before June 9th anyway, if at all. Of course, if he returns this season, someone will need cut loose from the 40 man.
I wouldn’t even consider cutting Paul before Leroux.
No jinx no jinx no jinx.
by Suffering Buc on May 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Wood?
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by WHYG Zane Smith on May 30, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, yeah.
Nobody else thought of that?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on May 30, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
either ciriaco or wood will have to be kept on the 25 man
decisions, decisions
by white angus on May 30, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Wood really is garbage. Not worth his shot, I say. Took too many at-bats from Pedro.
Thank you Ned Colletti.
Dusty Brown
Unless Jaramillo and Doumit’s injuries are both worse than they currently appear, I’d think Dusty Brown will be DFAed as soon as one of them is ready to go.
i wouldnt call Wood garbage.
in fact, i wouldnt call any current pirate garbage… until they leave the pirates, that is…
i dont blame the FO for wanting to get a look at Wood. he does have some skills. now if only we can get him to stop dropping his back shoulder and elbow on his swing…
by white angus on May 30, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't blame the FO, either, for wanting to take a look at Wood.
Might as well see if he has anything, but it’s clear he doesn’t.
Yes, dude is garbage.
Pearce
This is why the team (front office) had little faith in him. So much for those who called for him to be given a shot at starting at first. I like the guy, but he has proven he can’t stay healthy. I don’t understand how a guy like this can have so many leg issues. He does play very hard and he is a fairly big guy. Unfortunately, he is proving he will never be able to be anything more than a bench player. Thank God we have Overbay at first! He is not the best, but he is very servicible. The guy is a professional and he stays on the field. I hope this isn’t the same type of thing that happened to Pearce a few years ago. I don’t want to see the guy miss half the year.
i know i havent been a big supporter of Pearce on here, but...
if the team had little faith in him, they never would have applied for that extra option year for Steve.
I hope Harrison plays nearly everyday while Pedro and Pearce are out
I’m really rooting for this guy. He’s been doubted at every level he’s been at only to prove the doubters wrong every step of the way. He has hit at every level, and he would certainly be an upgrade over Wood (honestly, I think Wood will be cut soon. Can’t do it right now b/c of all the injuries, but this guy brings NOTHING to the table).
Wood can’t hit. Ciriaco can’t hit. It only makes sense for Harrison to get a shot now.
who has doubted Harrison?
he has been called up at each level because of his own merit, and hes the first one this season to get the call to the show. (not including ciriaco whom has already seen time in the bigs)
i think Wood will get most of the starts until Pedro is ready. but youre right, Wood has a very good chance at being let go
Well people have continued to think he isn't a legit prospect.
His bat may not play at 3B, but it can play somewhere. You can always find somewhere to play someone who can hit like this.
I think he could be a solid Major League player. He just needs a chance.
So how much longer til Presley gets a shot?
Cuz RF is a mess right now.
gotta make more changes to the roster
either Paul goes, or either jones or overbay goes… i dont see presley taking their jobs right now.
if one of them gets injured, then yes.
I hope Harrison gets the start at 3rd tonight, really looking forward to what he can do. Coming through the minors all he did was hit, hit, and hit some more.
"clearing space for him on the 40-man roster by moving Ross Ohlendorf to the 60-day DL"
Ross Ohlendorf: A waste of $2 million bucks.
パトリック
Probably so
And let’s hope Paulie continues to pitch well so that trade value shoots up.
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