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Pirates 4, Padres 3: Garrett Jones Helps Bucs Snatch Victory From Themselves

Well, that was more exciting than it needed to be. The Pirates grabbed a 4-0 lead in the first inning on two-run homers by Garrett Jones and Chris Snyder, and it looked like it would be smooth sailing from there. Jones' homer was really impressive - he pulled an inside fastball and hit it an obscenely long way. Snyder's came on a high fastball. Jones had a great game, also nailing a tagging Brad Hawpe with a throw from the outfield in the fifth.

James McDonald did well, picking up five strikeouts in six innings; his only costly mistake was leaving a fastball up to Jorge Cantu, who crushed a two-run homer in the sixth.

After that, things only got more nerve-racking. The Bucs had chased Aaron Harang after five innings, but the Padres replaced him with lefty Cory Luebke, who they left out there forever. It demonstrated how weak most of the Pirates' righty lineup is against lefties. Jones, in particular, for all his heroics, looked really awkward against Luebke. Someone pointed out a couple days ago that Lyle Overbay had an .800 OPS against righties (it's lower now), and that most of his struggles were the result of facing lefties. Well, fine, and the Pirates should be doing more to keep him out of games where there's a lefty starter. But you can't completely protect him from having to face lefties, because when one comes in in the middle innings, you still have to save bench players for situations that might come up later. Overbay is now 3-for-27 against lefties on the year.

As usual, Jose Veras was ridiculous, striking out two of the three batters he faced in the seventh. Ronny Cedeno was really annoying to watch, getting picked off and missing what looked like a routine grounder when he tried to barehand it. That led Chris Resop's eighth inning to be a lot more complicated than it might have been, costing the Pirates a run and nearly costing them the game. Then in the ninth inning, when Ernesto Frieri, and then Luke Gregerson, started walking the entire Pirates lineup, Cedeno inexplicably swung at a 3-1 pitch that was way out of the zone. Maybe the best way to describe whatever Cedeno's problem is is that he often looks a little like what you might expect Rinku Singh to look like if he were called up to the big leagues today, showing flashes of talent but making bizarre mental errors that look like they have to be the result of inexperience. Or like a precocious Little Leaguer who for some reason is subbing with the high school team.

Anyway, the Pirates had the chance to tack on some insurance runs in the ninth, when Frieri walked the first three batters and Gregerson walked the fourth. Unfortunately, the first batter was the slow-footed Overbay, and the second one was the contact-challenged Chris Snyder, so naturally Clint Hurdle put the hit-and-run on. That took Overbay off the bases when Frieri, who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat today, completely missed the zone and Snyder, shockingly, completely missed the ball. One out. The Pirates loaded the bases - or, rather, Frieri and Gregerson did it for them - but Gregerson got Steve Pearce and Andrew McCutchen to end the threat. Joel Hanrahan shut things down in the ninth, though, and the Bucs won 4-3.

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Keeping their cool

Agreed, the Pirates are making mistakes, but at least they are keeping their cool (most of the time) and staying competitive. We do really have a chance of going .500 this year. (Pirate Fan since 1968)

by Gaguzia on May 3, 2011 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. Even if they don’t go .500 (I still see around 70-75 wins), this team is alot more fun to watch, and will be even better next year.

by psudynasty1017 on May 3, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

improvement is improvement. pirates are already better right now than they have been in the last few years, this despite horrid slumps at the plate and some sloppy defense.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Projection

Note that, as of April 30, the Pirates were on pace for exactly 72 wins, my personal mark for the season. Given the consensus that April was to be their cruelest month, and given that they’ve won 2 more games since then, I’m feeling pretty damn good about this year.

The last couple years have had a strong stench of failure about them practically coming out of ST. A sweep like the one in Florida would have sufficed to end the season. But, whether it’s Hurdle or the young guys or the surprising pitching (Correia FTW), the team has shown a lot of resilience. I have to think that these road wins are going a long way towards instilling confidence in the group.

by JRoth95 on May 3, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also note...

that if the Pirates lose tonight…they will be 14-16. The Pirates record in 2010 after 30 games…14-16.

I see good signs…but they are going to have to play this way for more than a month to convince me it isn’t a mirage.

by Thunder on May 3, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

what positives do you see?

and im talking things that you didnt see in 2010, mostly.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning on the road is one

I certainly like 2011 Morton more than I did 2010 Morton. And I like Correia a lot more than Duke.

They’ve done this well despite having most of their offensive players playing below their projections; I take that as a good sign. Even if their SPs regress downward (and I’m not sure they will – Maholm has pitched the way he always has, McDonald figures to get better, not worse, and I believe in both Morton and Correia; the 5th spot has looked like a 5th spot, and has nowhere to go but up, whether with Ohlie or Owens or Lincoln), their hitters figure to regress upwards.

by JRoth95 on May 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cedeno

I am done with Cedeno. I really think this team is close to turning the corner. He is not a fit. He needs to just quietly go away.

by kravy on May 3, 2011 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is Walker's backup?

Asked this question a few days ago and was told it was Cedeno. If that’s the case, he can’t just go away, we need a backup at 2B. From what I can tell, neither Cedeno or Wood have played 2B in the last couple of years, and you can’t assume an IF can just be moved there with no practice time.

by Central*Scrutinizer on May 3, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did they use Wood for like 2 games straight when they “benched” Cedeno and not start him anymore? I know Cedeno has done good lately but hate seeing him take a step back every time he takes a step forward.

by Joey Mooney on May 3, 2011 7:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

and Ronny is still better than almost any other SS in house. right now, anyway.

Wood will probably get a full time shot very soon. im actually glad that Hurdle is bringing him into the fold slowly and not putting much expectation on his back.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

l hope that he is working with Wood on the side though I don’t know if he is.

by Slick1 on May 3, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

of course they are working with Wood, probably at all 4 infield spots

im convinced that Hurdle wanted to light a fire under Ronny to see what he would do.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I meant with the bat...

more so his approach; though it hasn’t looked bad to me in the little time I’ve seen him. I expected a way more aggressive swinger like Cedeno.

by Slick1 on May 3, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wood was more like Alvarez while with the angels

gets behind early in the count and the pitchers ate him alive.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, where is Rinku?

Extended spring training and then State College again?

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on May 3, 2011 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Cedeno is just a dumb person. Like an IQ of 70, maybe

by Danatural08 on May 3, 2011 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder the same thing, lol!

He does some of the most boneheaded things I’ve seen and he does it over and over. It’s not just one area of the game, it’s all areas: fielding, hitting and baserunning. It’s like his thought process is this, “What is the dumbest thing I could do in this situation?”. Then he follows through with it.

by Kev S on May 3, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

let me fix that for you:

It’s like his thought process is this:

Then he follows through with it.

by Garrett122 on May 3, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I’m affraid you may be right.

by Kev S on May 3, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then he will make plays look easy that are hard as crap! Its the easy ones that get him!

by Joey Mooney on May 3, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I believe the reason for that is he has time to think about the easy routine plays and the hard plays are mostly instinct. We don’t want Ronny thinking out there. LOL

by Kev S on May 3, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

GFJ

It looks like the platoon is working out quite well for Jones. I was impressed with how he got his hands in on the HR and how far he hit it with his hands pulled in that far. Of course, you do have to keep in mind it was Harang, who is more of a crafty type than a power type of pitcher.

by Kev S on May 3, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Tabata, Jones, Walker, Veras?, Hanrahan.

by psudynasty1017 on May 3, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not all of them, of course.

by psudynasty1017 on May 3, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Veras/Resop/Hanrahan have all been damn impressive

But it’s tough to make the ASG as a pitcher. If Tabata comes back from his injury and keeps hitting in May/June, he’s my pick.

by Garrett122 on May 3, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts

It’s very rare for a set-up releiver to make the AS team (Meek and Rhodes being exceptions last year) and you might say that Hanrahan has a good chance if he stays perfect but GFJ has given the Pirate offense a boost when needed which you can’t say about Overrated and K-Dro. Tabata’s hot start has tailed off and Cutch needs to stay hot for the next 2 months to be even considered.

I’d say it’s either GFJ or Hanrahan for the AS spot

by BadAndy on May 3, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

could be Correia if he keeps it up

Currently 4-2, 2.90 ERA. One of six 4-game winners in the NL, tied for 12th in ERA with Lincecum. (I don’t hold with pitcher wins, but the people picking the all-star team do.)

Of course it all depends on what happens between now and when they choose the reserves.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on May 3, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

1 maybe 2 all star reps...

McCutchen probably will make it despite the slow start. Im guessing a pitcher would be next in line. Right now, Hanrahan would get the nod. If I had to take a guess, I would say
Correia might work his way into the conversation.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

only if we have 2 slots in the game

which because we are the least popular team above Florida in the National League, is no given. Still 2 months until the allstar thingy.

if its just one slot, i think Cutch, barring a complete meltdown, will be there.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't count Hanrahan out either....

I just think Correia has name recognition so if the superficial numbers are there I wouldn’t be surprised if he made it. Hanrahan is getting the rep as a shut down closer too. SO let’s say Correia has 10 wins with a 3.3-3.5 ERA by the break and Hanrahan is like 15/16 in saves while still striking out the world, I could see them both making it. Cutch on the other hand is really going to have to heat up because he won’t be voted in. Would be pretty awesome though if all 3 were in.

by Slick1 on May 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Hanny only has 15/16 saves by the All Star break

I will cry. He’s got 9 now, only 6 more in what, 2 months, would be a very bad sign for the team.

by pskell02 on May 3, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK...

19/20 better. I was thinking the bats were going to heat up and he wouldn’t have many opps.

by Slick1 on May 3, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting him in the 3 hole

was great strategy, although Hurdle may have done it because he was putting Diaz in the 3-hole.

by Central*Scrutinizer on May 3, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Managing

There are many aspects to managing a baseball team. There are the concrete elements like setting the lineup and in-game decisions. Then there are the “softer” elements like setting the tone for the team, interacting with the press, and supporting, criticizing, and teaching the players – all the things that are part of “managing” in the real world.

Hurdle has a very good reputation regarding the last element. The question is, do his strengths at that outweigh his incomprehensible in-game decisions.

I’m, if not confident, then at least optimistic that for a team at this stage in its development, the answer is “yes”. They need to learn and grow more than they need to win an extra few games. Sucks for Hurdle, because if so, the right decision is to fire his ass as soon as the Pirates are ready to contend so his in-game decision making doesn’t cost them the two or three games needed to put them over the top.

by DG Lewis on May 3, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Hurdle

Hurdle is excellent with those “softer” elements. I also like his lineups, as he is willing to make changes as situations change and players get hot or cold. He seems to be handling the pitching well.

I knew he would bunt too much, and I haven’t been totally on board with his offensive in-game decisions. But some of the glaring mistakes are more noticable because of poor execution, and there have numerous times that he has done a bold move that worked, and everyone just brushes it under the table and forgets about it. We always remember the ones that don’t work.

Overall, I think Hurdle is doing great. Nearly every manager in the league bunts too often, and that is my main complaint with Hurdle.

by ballparkfranks on May 3, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like how hes managed the pitching staff

i cant recall one time where he left a guy out there too long or yanked a guy too quick. i like how he lets the starter go out for the 7th, and later innings and yanks him at the very first sign of trouble.

by theatrain on May 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i cant recall one time where he left a guy out there too long or yanked a guy too quick

There was one game I remember distinctly everyone going nuts because they thought he left McDonald in too long. But hey, no one’s perfect

by TravisDW on May 3, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly true

I can’t think of any complaints about his handling of the pitching staff, which is a big part of the “in-game decisions”. It’s the “strategery” stuff that drives me up a wall – bunting, hit-and-runs with a slow runner, a non-contact hitter, and a wild pitcher, and the like – as well as an infatuation with the double-switch.

by DG Lewis on May 3, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

ugliest uniforms ever

can’t lose to a team wearing camouflage and pond-scum colored helmets

by ImmaculatePerception on May 3, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Was I seeing things or did Cameron Maybin have green paint all over his face and arms?

by psudynasty1017 on May 3, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought the same thing!

then later he looked normal and i thought it was just the uniform color messin with my head.

by theatrain on May 3, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

they made me see red, so to speak

by crusty on May 3, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are the McDonalds/Hulk Hogan jerseys. Awful.

by Adam Reynolds on May 3, 2011 4:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like the Camo jerseys

you have to remember that San Deigo is a huge military town and thats why they have them

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." Wes Westrum
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on May 3, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a nice gesture in theory...

…but the execution could’ve been better.

by Vlad on May 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing them makes me feel like

the players should be dropping to the ground and belly-crawling from base to base.

by JRoth95 on May 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what happens when you go with the digital camo

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." Wes Westrum
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on May 3, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whaddaya want?

Actual military-approved camo?

The Pads have been doing this for years. I’m sure they’ve worked with the officials at Pendleton as to what they should/shouldn’t do.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on May 3, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bucco camo

It’s a shame there’s no baseball on the Monday after Thanksgiving – the Pirates could wear forest camo with blaze orange hats.

by JRoth95 on May 3, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Baseball is like church. Many attend, but few understand." Wes Westrum
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan

by WVPiratesfan on May 3, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

They fall under the category of “Good idea/bad execution” for me.

by Garrett122 on May 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

regarding overbay's platoon splits

i was wondering why they haven’t tried pearce at first against some (or all) lefties, then of course i saw that tim at pirates prospects already beat me to it

by johnnycuff on May 3, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

There's got to be a period of understanding

Where you don’t start platooning your free agent 1B until x weeks into the season. I would guess that is coming up pretty soon. 6 weeks maybe?

by MarkInDallas on May 3, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's already started

Bum was the last lefty faced and Pearce got the start. Before that it was Lannan and Pearce started. Earlier in the season Pedro was the one who needed a breather. The trouble is we are facing a ridiculously low amount of Lefty starters. I think it’s 4 through 29 games.

by Mr. E on May 3, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's about to change...

lefties are scheduled to go against the Pirates tomorrow, Friday and Sunday.

by Thunder on May 3, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA! Love the title of the entry...

Man, the Pirates just can’t make anything easy on themselves. But hey, 18 straight years of losing, I wouldn’t expect anything else.

Right now, in a situation where we get 6 IP from a starter, I’d go Resop 7th, Veras 8th and Hanny to shut it down. Veras has been ridiculously good, averaging almost 2 K’s per IP this season. Obviously, you bring in a lefty for LH batters, but that’s the way I’d go about the last 3 innings if I were Hurdle right now. All of them have been great, though, and Resop got absolutely NO help from Cedeno last night. The Padres should’ve never scored that last run.

All in all, a solid game. Granted, it was the Pads, but McDonald threw a good game and, most importantly, he only issued 1 or 2 walks (if I remember correctly). His stuff is plenty good enough to get outs, so he’s got to concentrate on throwing more strikes.

And finally, here’s to hoping Cutch and Pedro get off the schnide soon. Go Bucs!

by mspirate on May 3, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget Joey B.

he fell off everyone’s radar with the injury, but his curveball has looked downright evil lately. When that thing’s working it just falls off the table.

by Garrett122 on May 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanrahan

Is it possible they’re running him out there too much? I really thought they should have given him Sunday off even though he didn’t pitch Saturday. It was a 4 run lead in the 9th, so they really had no reason to use him there. Since he pitched that game then had to go again yesterday he’s now gone 6 times in 8 days.

by ElDuce on May 3, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

it helps

that resop and veras could work the ninth and be just as effective. veras is just plain filthy-nasty right now. i think he could pick up a 2 inning save once in a while to give hanrahan the night off

by theatrain on May 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing

but if anyone can do it, the Hanranator can. I think he wants to top 100K again.

by white angus on May 3, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How are we running him out there too much?

He pitches one inning (sometimes a little more) once in a blue moon. We don’t win enough for this to be a concern.

by mspirate on May 3, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

but on the other hand

we don’t win enough blowouts for it not to be at least a consideration.

by BlindSquirrel on May 3, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeouts

The Pirates have got to start at least putting the ball in play instead of whiffing so much. How many times in the past couple of weeks have they had men in scoring position with only 1 out and they come up empty because they are not getting the ball in play, but striking out. Look at the Giants’ series. They should have taken at least two of the games instead of just one. Either Ritchie needs to do a better job of getting these guys to hit or Hurdle needs to consider finding someone else who can.

by TWood on May 3, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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