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Remaking The Roster

In the third inning of yesterday's game against the Cubs I started to think there was a possibility the Pirates would make four roster moves today. Ryan Doumit was out with an injured ankle, Steve Pearce was sitting with a strained calf, Jeff Karstens was getting hit hard and Brandon Wood was showing that his major league career line is who he is. It turns out the Pirates only made two moves today, but I think the implications are pretty interesting. For tonight's game against the Mets the Pirates will only have 17 players who were on the opening day roster dressed for the game.

(IN: Snyder, Wood, Paul, Ciriaco, Harrision, Brown, D. McCutchen, Ascanio. OUT: Jaramillo, Rodriguez, Bowker, Alvarez, Pearce, Doumit, Ohlendorf, Crotta. OTHER: Beimel)

Every team has injuries and they have certainly played a part in this roster turnover. When Ross Ohlendorf went down on April 8 I suggested there was a chance we would never see either he or his catcher Jason Jaramillo in a Pirates' uniform again. Ohlendorf is still rehabbing and I'm relatively certain we won't see him before the all-star break. (UPDATE: Ohlendorf was moved to the 60-day DL. This is more roster management than anything else.)

Jaramillo got sent down later that week after getting one more at bat and got bypassed for a promotion today because he is out with an injured elbow. Jaramillo would probably have been the choice if he were healthy because he is on the 40-man roster and Brown isn't. The Pirates do have an open spot on the 40-man, but because neither Brown or Josh Harrision (also promoted) is on it, a corresponding roster move will have to be made this afternoon. (see Ohlendorf above.)

The Pirates moved catcher Eric Fryer up from AA where he was hitting .345 with a .976 OPS to Indianapolis to take Brown's place and he will probably get the opportunity to catch every day. Interestingly Fryer, who is 25, was moved up and Tony Sanchez was kept in AA. Of the top five Pirates catchers on the depth chart yesterday (Snyder, Doumit, Jaramillo, Brown, Wyatt Toregas) it is possible none are with the organization next April. Fryer could be the backup next season with Snyder or someone outside the organization signed to be the starter and Sanchez sliding in in 2013.

With Brown and Pedro Ciriaco now on the roster the Pirates couldn't wait for Steve Pearce to get healthy and really had no choice but to put him on the DL. It's tough luck again for Pearce as it seems he gets injured every time he has an opportunity to get regular playing time. To take Pearce's place the Pirates purchased the contract of Josh Harrison who will be making his major league debut. The 23-year old Harrison was acquired in the Gorzelanny-Grabow trade and profiles as a super utility guy. He is small (5'8" 175) but has hit at every level and can play virtually anywhere. Harrision got the call over Andy Marte who has been hot lately but is really a bit of a Brandon Wood clone with less defensive versatility.

I'd like to think that Harrison has a chance to stick at the major league level if he shows he can hit, but the Pirates are a bit hamstrung by him not really being a shortstop. The ability to play short may be the only thing keeping Brandon Wood on the roster. When either Alvarez or Pearce comes back Pedro Ciriaco is likely first to be sent down. Ciriaco will be 26 in September and doesn't have a future in the organization.

Neither does Brandon Wood. I was on-board with claiming Wood off waivers but had limited expectations. Wood has proven he is exactly what his line suggested he would be. His career line is .169/.204/.256. With the Pirates his line is .179/.258/.232. His defense has been better than expected, but 63 plate appearances are enough to show that a change of scenery isn't going to magically make him hit. When Pearce and Pedro Alvarez are healthy the only reason to have Wood around is no one else other than Ciriaco can play short adequately. Either way the team is shorthanded. If Harrision proves he can hit it will be an interesting choice to see if they would keep him over Wood.

Karstens is also proving he is exactly what he has been his whole career. The Pirates obviously don't trust him to throw more than about 75 pitches and you don't want to run a starting pitcher out there every fifth day with that kind of pitch count. In his four road starts he has yet to go more than 5.0 innings.

The not-discussed but obvious reason the Pirates moved Karstens back a few days in the rotation was so that he and Brad Lincoln would be pitching on the same day. With Karstens getting hit hard early in Chicago yesterday and Lincoln going that night in Pawtucket I figured this would be Karstens' last start before going back to the pen. Well, not so fast. Lincoln got bombed in 5+ innings and as much as I have been a proponent of bringing him up, I'm not sure you can do it after that last outing.

The larger point is the Pirates are continuing to transform the roster as we enter June. We'll get to see Dusty Brown and Josh Harrison for the first time. Dan Moskos will probably get some more work with Joe Beimel out. Brad Lincoln could get the call shortly. Injuries to Ohlendorf, Jaramillo, Beimel, Doumit and Pearce, depending on severity, may mean we have seen the last of them playing a major role in the organization. None are under contract for next year and Pearce would seem to be the only one with a shot to be back.

Alex Pressley, Eric Fryer, Chase d'Arnaud, Rudy Owens and Tim Wood are all guys who will be up in September if not sooner.

At 24-27 there is some reason for optimism. The team's starting pitching has been much better than expected. The bullpen is a major strength. But the reality is the team is on pace for 76 wins. A big improvement from last year, but still not very good. With the draft a week away and some promotions now taking place within the organization (Matt Curry from West Virginia to Altoona, bypassing Bradenton) we will soon start to see players who are candidates to fill the roster spots of Brandon Wood, Xavier Paul, Lyle Overbay, Jose Ascanio and a few others who aren't likely to be back next season. Small steps, but hopefully ones that push the Pirates closer to being a good team.

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Doumit will return to the lineup if he can. He’ll return in order to show that he’s healthy before the Pirates trade him. If the Pirates can’t or won’t trade him, he’ll be here the rest of the year. He’ll play a major role while here because he can still hit some.

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by steve_z on May 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

"At 23-27 there is some reason for optimism."

I’m optimistic that we already have 24 wins and would like to believe we’ll see .500 again this season.

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by patthatt on May 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks...

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by David Todd on May 30, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doumit...

his career OPS .770. His OPS this year .774. Chris Snyder’s OPS this season, .760.

I think people are under the mistaken impression that Doumit is having this great year. He’s been fine and gotten some big hits but he continues to have trouble staying in the lineup due to injuries

One reason you don’t always wait until the trade deadline to trade a player is risk of injury or drop off in performance. I wonder if the Pirates & Giants had any conversations. And I wonder if this will in any way impact how they view Maholm.

This is unfortunate for Doumit and hopefully he’s back around the all-star break, but he isn’t going to play a major role in my opinion and there is zero chance they pick up his option.


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by David Todd on May 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Wood can't hit, Pearce can't stay healthy, Ciriaco can't do much of anything other than run fast,

and Harrison is an unproven commodity.

With Alvarez’s struggles thrown into the mix, the Bucs have a ton of IF questions to answer in the next several weeks.

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by patthatt on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

And we don’t have a lot of obvious solutions left above Class A in the minors. D’Arnaud and Holt, possibly Mercer if he can raise his average about 30 points.

by Thunder on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least as far as MI goes.

by Thunder on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

One reason the Pirates have been decent this year

is that we are getting above average production from the catcher position by using both Doumit and Snyder. People can talk about how crazy it is to spend $10M on two catchers, but when they are combining to give the Pirates the 9th best team wOBA for catchers in MLB and 1.3 WAR so far, that is pretty darn good and well worth $10M.

I would be in favor of trying to renegotiate Doumit’s deal as maybe a 2 year $11M deal. Having 2 catchers that can give you good production is important, IMHO.

It’s not like Doumit’s production this year is a surprise, as you mention. What has been the biggest question is his durability. Since Snyder was acquired last year and the catching duties have been shared, Doumit has been much, much better in the field. This was something I saw last year, and speculated that this could be the secret to getting the best value out of Doumit. I definitely see that trend continuing this year, and it’s not like he’s ancient or anything.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t be a productive catcher for 2 or 3 more years as long as duties are shared correctly.

Tony Sanchez certainly isn’t guaranteed to come in and set the world on fire. Let’s not count the chickens there before they hatch. If Doumit can be had on a $5M-$6M per year basis, I think his contract will be more than attractive for many teams if the time comes to trade him when Sanchez matures and proves himself.

by MarkInDallas on May 30, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

If they want to keep....

Doumit as a part time player he will come much cheaper than $5.5 million. I don’t see anyone paying more than $3-4 million on the open market. But, in reality I think they are much more likely to pursue that option with Snyder rather than Doumit because of the value he brings defensively.

I agree on Sanchez which is why I’m very interested to see how Eric Fryer does in AAA for the next couple months. I think he could be the backup out of spring training next year behind possibly Snyder.


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by David Todd on May 30, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't it be nice

to have Doumit and Sanchez both on the roster for a few years? Young catchers tend to struggle a bit and I feel like having Doumer and all his flaws still might benefit the team long-term through Sanchez first two or so seasons in the bigs. You could also insert Synder in to the same discussion.

I realize it’s a lot of Cheese for the small market bucs but we’re not splurging elsewhere.

by RetireNutting on May 30, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doumit as a part time player he will come much cheaper than $5.5 million. I don’t see anyone paying more than $3-4 million on the open market.

Who’s the better player, Doumit or John Buck? Buck’s a terrible defender, and his offensive track record isn’t as good as Doumit’s, but he still got $18M over three years from the Marlins last offseason.

Buck IS a little more durable than Doumit, but not $3M worth of durable.

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

that’s one of the key reasons I’d like to see us hold onto Doumit (unless somebody gave a real return for him) and offer him arb. He’ll probably turn it down, because he should be able to get a 3/18M deal

by BurgherKing on May 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Buck

Age 29 coming off a season with an .802 OPS, 115 OPS+ and having played in 118 games. Buck has made 399 PAs in every season but one since 2005. And, I don’t think a lot of people thought that was a great signing at the time. Citing a dumb signing doesn’t mean it will or won’t happen again, but I think it is less likely. If Doumit is such good value why was no one interested at $5.1 million or possibly less this year? I don’t think it would have taken a king’s ransom to get him from the PIrates.

Ryan Doumit, 31 at the start of next season. Since the start of his major league career he’s made more than 300 PAs twice and most likely won’t again this year, and he’s not a good defensive catcher.

I’ll buy you dinner if he gets more than $15 million over three years. And again, I still would prefer Snyder.


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by David Todd on May 31, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And, I don’t think a lot of people thought that was a great signing at the time.

They generally thought it was dumb because of the length of the deal, though, and not because of the average annual value.

If you’d like another example from last year, look at AJ Pierzynski. Primarily an offensive catcher, both career and most-recent-season numbers below Doumit’s. He was also older than Doumit at 33, and had a reputation as a gigantic asshole. Despite this, he got a two-year deal for $8M from the White Sox.

If Doumit is such good value why was no one interested at $5.1 million or possibly less this year?

Because people were excessively concerned about his defense, a concern that he’s alleviated in 2011.

I’ll buy you dinner if he gets more than $15 million over three years.

Since I don’t have to buy you anything if he doesn’t, I accept!

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were....

making a signing at this point I would go with Snyder for $8 million/2years and see if that gets it done.

I would probably consider making a pretty heavy wager that Doumit doesn’t get $10 million/2 years.

I really think he’s going to be looking at $3 million for 1 year. Even more so with the broken ankle now reported.


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by David Todd on May 31, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even more so with the broken ankle now reported.

Well, obviously that changes things.

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much...

bad ankle sprains are often worse than non-displaced fractures. I don’t think what we know is any different than when we started the discussion which was after Doumit went on the DL.


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by David Todd on Jun 1, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need to move Maholm soon...

I’m not sure about team needs at this point or how we match up, but we need to find a team in a similar position as the Indians, Dbacks or Giants. Two of those teams are overachieving and want to continue to overachieve, the other team is in a dogfight to win its division.

We need to look at teams that are close right now and move Maholm, imo.

by pantherboy on May 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

We don't have to move Maholm at all.

Way too many people always seem to be under the assumption that trading guys like him would be a big plus for the Bucs. And how many C prospects do we need now, especially with all the guys we have to protect from the Rule V next year?

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by patthatt on May 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moving Maholm

sounds great as long as we know we can get equal or better production immediately from a youngster like Wilson, Morris, Lincoln, or Owens. Is what Karstens has done and what Maholm brings thaaaaattt far off as to pass up a few prospects in a trade? Just questions…

by RetireNutting on May 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you assume it's only a C prospect?

NH has done ok with his trades, the Dotel trade brought back a lot, as did the Nady trade. Of course we’ve seen the other side of that with the Bay trade.

It only takes one team to overpay…

However, I should have put the caveat in my post saying for the right deal.

by pantherboy on May 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

pantherboy

What makes you think a trade of soon-to-be FA Paul Maholm would bring much in return? Do you think MLB is going to let Ned Colletti deal a couple good prospects for Maholm? Who else would be dumb enough to give up a whole lot for him? Do you think the Yanks are going to give us a top prospect for Paul Maholm? Really?

Maholm, Doumit and Snyder might be more valuable for the Bucs for another year or so, instead of trade bait this one. We shall see.

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by patthatt on May 30, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maholm

has had possibly his best season. He’s also had a few average or better years on the mound. There’s enough hope there that he’ll generate interest on top of the fact that he’s a workhorse who’s proven he can give you lots of innings, if not well-pitched innings. Those guys have value even when they’re below replacement. He’s only 29 too. He’ll fetch 3rd starter return if we move him. Probable a B to B+ prospect a little ways from the show and a C+ guy who’s close.

by RetireNutting on May 30, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

who says he is a FA to be?

by Mr. E on May 30, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is if the Pirates don't pick up his option, right?

And IIRC, the option is like $9.75 million.

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by patthatt on May 30, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

but my point is that very probably no one would want to pick up a one-year, $9.75 milion option for Paul Maholm for 2012. They would have to be pretty confident of renegotiating an extension.

Would a team that picks him up later this year in a deal give the Bucs diddly squat when he could very easily be elsewhere next April? If he liked the club/city, he could stay, like Freddy and Lopez in SF. But would a couple “decent” prospects be good for the Bucs at this point? So we shall see what is best for the Pirates and Maholm.

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by patthatt on May 31, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He has a 1.1 rWAR this year

At $5 mil per WAR, he is paced to have more value then his option would be. $9mil for a 2.5 WAR pitcher is not a bad price to pay, for us or another team.

by Wizard of Woz on May 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if a team is trading for him

I imagine they like him, enough to pay him under market value $$ for 1 more year.

by Mr. E on May 31, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Fryer only a potential back-up?

I’ve never understood why people are not more excited about Fryer. I know he’s 26 but catchers take longer to develop. If he keeps hitting at AAA why couldn’t he contend for starting role in 2012 or at least split time with Snyder or Doumit?

Is there something wrong with his defense?

by EdOtt on May 30, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Why is Fryer only a potential back-up?

Because they’re annointing Sanchez as the starter-in-waiting. As such, it’s backup-or-nothing for any other catcher in the system.

Is there something wrong with his defense?

I haven’t seen him play, but the reports I’ve read are generally positive.

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes good on defense... nothing super, but good

i think sanchez moves better and has a better/quicker release

by white angus on May 31, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harrison is...

Delwyn Young… You keep Brandon Wood over Delwyn Young

by VoteforPedro on May 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

no you don't

DY could hit just didn’t have a position. Brandon Wood can’t hit or field

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by WVPiratesfan on May 31, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

You keep Brandon Wood over Delwyn Young

No, you keep Brandon Wood over Delwyn Young. I never claim Wood on waivers in the first place.

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

I don't understand the premise at all

In 67 PAs as a Pirate, he has cost us 5 runs – half a win. His defense may be better than Harrison’s, but UZR rates it just 1.7 runs above average. So, on net, he hurts this team.

We don’t know exactly how Harrison will hit, but he’ll do more hitting than fielding (because the reason we want him is to finally have a decent bench bat), and according to the MLE Calculator, he’ll out-OPS Wood by over 200 points. In fact, his performance at Indy is almost exactly equivalent to what Overbayª has given us this season – wOBA .300, wRC+ ~88.

If Harrison had gotten all of Wood’s Pirates PAs this year, we’d be over 4 runs better off. For him to give that up on defense, he’d have to be a -22.5 UZR defender. Does that sound plausible? That’s almost twice as bad as DY’s 2B.

ª actually, Alex Gonzalez is a closer match – 268/298/388 to 272/300/376

by JRoth95 on Jun 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incidentally

The reason to drop DY had more to do with salary than skillset. Yes, his defense was awful, but his bat was far, far more valuable than that of a typical bench player. However, he was going into arb, and would have cost 7 figures to retain. For $400k, you (probably) keep him. Hell, just for interleague games he’d be a better DH than anyone on the roster except Doumit.

by JRoth95 on Jun 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good observation on Wood.

He’s pitched very well at AAA since we signed him.

by Vlad on May 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

He's referring...

to Tim Wood. A guy we signed to a minor league deal after he asked for his release from Washington when they were apparently going to start him back in AA.


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by David Todd on May 31, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time to clean house. Diaz, Jones and Overbay are non productive with the bat. There are no indications this will change.

Bring up Bowker and put him in right, this would be a pretty good outfield.

If Harrison hits, leave him at third, and begin the process of making Alverez the first baseman.

Time to designate Beimel for assignment. Moskos seems ready to be the lefty out of the bullpe.

by Stan Rojek on Jun 1, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

“Bring up Bowker and put him in right…”

And you think Jones, Diaz and Overbay are unproductive? Yeeesh.

“Moskos seems ready to be the lefty out of the bullpe. [sic] …”

You’re basing this on a pretty small sample size, aren’t you?

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

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