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Update From the Manager's Office 6/21

I had the opportunity to speak with Clint Hurdle this afternoon. We discussed a wide range of topics:

Question: While Lyle Overbay's offense has been the primary topic of conversation, it appeared to me that Overbay's defense wasn't as advertised either. I asked specifically about Overbay's lateral movement,  as it seems a lot of balls are getting under his glove when he dives or are just out of his reach. It was particularly noteworthy in the Indians series, in my opinion.

Answer: Hurdle said that the team was concerned about his defense and it hasn't been as good as they hoped. While noting that Overbay helped the team a great deal at the beginning of the season fielding throws in the dirt, his lateral movement is of great concern.

They have gone so far as to film him and break down his movements, and they are focusing on the fact that he isn't getting set early enough on each pitch and isn't getting a good first step.

As for Overbay at the plate, Hurdle feels that there has been a disconnect since Spring Training and, while Spring Training isn't the best place to evaluate, pitchers are still trying to make pitches.

He told Overbay that he isn't going to start these three games against Baltimore, but hasn't made any firm decisions past that point. There is no set timetable. The team will do all the necessary physical checks to make sure nothing is wrong with his eyes, and so on.

At some point Lyle will be back in the lineup and will get another chance. But if he, or anybody in that situation, doesn't produce at that point, it is difficult for him to keep his place in the lineup, and they will explore what options are available.

My take: This is all pretty straightforward. Overbay will rest and work on his swing and his footwork. He'll get another chance, but the leash probably won't be very long.

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Question: Hurdle then fielded a question about whether the situation was Overbay was similar to that of Garrett Jones in late May.

Answer: Hurdle said Jones' strong performance in April, along with the fact that he is five years younger than Overbay, made the two situations different. He pointed out that Overbay had never really had a hot streak like Jones had and said he wasn't happy with Jones' swing. (Update: I don't think I was very clear here. He wasn't happy with Jones' path to the ball when he was benched in late May. Too much movement with his head, etc.)

My take: Hurdle has had each of these guys in his office over the past month and they know exactly where they stand. There are different issues with each guy, but he wanted to talk with each and allow them to get everything on the table and clear their head. That obviously has worked well with Jones. Well see how things play out with Overbay.

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Question: Hurdle was then asked about balancing the development of guys like Eric Fryer, who might not be ready defensively to be a catcher at the major league level, but may have a better bat than the Pirates' current catchers. You have stated a desire and committment to win at the ML level and to put your best team on the field, but Chase d'Arnaud may be better served by playing two more months in Indy. How do you balance these things?

Answer: I have to rely a fair bit on the people in the organization. We talk about Presley, Bowker, Fryer, the pitchers, virtually every day, but obviously I can't see them play.

My take: Clint had a much longer response, but this is clearly the most difficult thing confronting the organization right now. They obviously don't want to bring d'Arnaud up and have him sit. Cedeno has been great defensively and terrible offensively. When do you make changes? The team is still in contention and only two games under .500. Are you playing for tonight's game or focused on development? This is a rock and a hard place for the Pirates.

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Question: How do you make a decision on older players like Overbay, Diaz and Beimel who have a proven ML track record, but their performance, now all most half a season, is not up to standard?

Answer: Each case is different. Lyle and Matt are different. Also, Matt has had about half the chances, only 140 at bats. Did we completely whiff on five years of history? There were a half dozen teams interested in Matt in the offseason. Would they have some lukewarm interest now? Possibly, the contract is for two years so that would effect their decision-making.

I had Dante Bichette in Colorado and he was terrible and then went on to have 2-3 more excellent years. You do your best to stay absolutely on top of it so you have as much information as possible and can make an informed decision heavily weighted to the present, but not ignoring the past.

My take: Again, not easy. I think you can make a case for releasing all three players, but that decision is irreversible and the team isn't loaded with capable replacements. If and when all these players come off the DL, it will be interesting to see who gets discarded.

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Question: Was Josh Rodriguez acquired primarily for organizational depth or should we expect a corresponding roster move?

Answer: Josh Rodriguez was reacquired from Cleveland primarily for organizational depth.

My take: That isn't particularly surprising as he put up an OPS under .600 playing for Columbus and didn't play shortstop at all.

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Question: In discussing possibly skipping Charliet Morton in the rotation, do the off days mean you don't have to bring someone up or is it likely Brad Lincoln will be up before the all-star game?

Answer: We'll see how Charlie is. The innings pitched is a concern because he hasn't really been here before. He has shown us that he is the first guy we need to be concerned with, but Kevin (Correia) may be next. We are monitoring this all very closely, but remember we now have a doubleheader in Washington on July 2.

My take: I would bet Lincoln start one of the games of the DH and possibly more. It would seem Moskos would be the obvious guy sent down, but we did not discuss that.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the managing editor (Charlie) or SB Nation. FanPosts are written by Bucs Dugout readers.

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This is really cool, but without quotation marks, I can’t really tell how to edit it so I can front-page it.

by Charlie Wilmoth on Jun 21, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I got zero notice.....

wasn’t in the studio and had nothing in front of me, so had to wing it. Did the best I could to paraphrase, but didn’t want to quote anything more than a line or two and figured it was best to just present it as is.

It doesn’t matter to me if front page, but thanks for noting. If people read it here, that’s probably just as easy after a day.


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by David Todd on Jun 21, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know if you ever interviewed Russell, but if so, it must be really weird interviewing a guy who actually answers questions. If I was a reporter, Hurdle would be my favorite Pirate manager of the modern era, by far.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Jun 21, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suggestion

dtoddwin. I understand the quote issues etc (don’t want to misquote someone). If you just offset Q and A better with changes in font, bold, something, etc. it would make it a bit better to read.

Either way, excellent work, rec’d.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 21, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

tried to format it a little better. Hope that helps.


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by David Todd on Jun 21, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

Looks great man! Again, excellent work.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 21, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely....

I enjoy talking with Clint and he answers questions about as honestly as anyone I’ve ever met, and I’m not limiting that to sports.


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by David Todd on Jun 21, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

outstanding work!

thank you for sharing it with us

by gonfalon on Jun 22, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good questions, Dave

Well done, appreciate the info.

by maguro on Jun 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent stuff. Gotta love the straightforward answers. As always, thanks.

by lambert58 on Jun 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Overbay's defense in Cleveland

I listened to most of the 3 games on satellite radio. The Cleveland radio announcers commented on Overbay initially breaking the wrong way on hard hit grounders. They said he recovered each time but too late to make the plays. They thought he turned a couple of potential outs into hits. Obviously they have no axe to grind against Overbay, it was just so noticeable that they had to comment.

by EdOtt on Jun 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I saw that on TV....

three times and a missed scoop. But not being live you aren’t always sure. Clint responded very strongly in the affirmative to it.


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by David Todd on Jun 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on past history...

I think the Pirates are monitoring IP for all the starters except Maholm. He’s the only one with a consistent track record of 175-200 IP.

by Thunder on Jun 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I would bet Lincoln start one of the games of the DH

Maybe he should start one of the games as the DH too.

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Jun 21, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

How about

Lincoln replaces McDonald?

by bucdaddy on Jun 21, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It kinda sounds like they have pulled the plug on Lyle.

Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you

by Scranton on Jun 21, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the report
Are you playing for tonight’s game or focused on development? This is a rock and a hard place for the Pirates.

The Pirates ought to focus on development. But the Pirates are a business and must make an effort to meet the fans somewhere that does not instantly piss off the fans! “Whaddaya mean they traded Hanrahan for Profar!!!! What’s a Profar?”

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Jun 21, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

: to present for acceptance : tender, offer

its also a transitive verb, whatever the $#@$ that means…. you would have thunk i’d look that up too, but alas, shant.

by white angus on Jun 21, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If

we get Profar for Hanny, I’d go bonkers.

Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 21, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A transitive verb
In syntax, a transitive verb is a verb that requires both a direct subject and one or more objects. The term is used to contrast intransitive verbs, which do not have objects.

This definition should clear up the Transitive Verb problem!

s.zielinski

by steve_z on Jun 21, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Why Moskos

Good interview. Thanks for it. But why do you assume that Moskos would go down rather than Tim Wood? Hurdle has made pretty clear he likes 2 lefties in the pen.

by SojourningPirate on Jun 21, 2011 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

According to my calculations, Wood has one option left.

You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.

by WTM on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep...

could well be Wood. I happen to think Wood is better than Dan, but yes, if Clint wants to lefties he would be the guy to go down.

I’m interested when Beimel is healthy what they do, because he is close. The easy choice is to send Moskos down. The right choice is probably release Beimel.


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by David Todd on Jun 22, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd send Moskos down when beimel is healthy

and see if some team won’t take a flyer on him for a low down prospect. If not, release him and bring Moskos up. Hurdle sure doesn’t seem to have much faith in Moskos.

by BurgherKing on Jun 22, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He really hasn't looked that impressive to me...

though he did dial it up to 94 a couple of times on Monday.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jun 22, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job with these Dtodd...

recd…not that you need anymore.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jun 22, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s nothing wrong with gratuitous rec’ing for good (and somewhat exclusive) content.

by King Oskar on Jun 22, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't live in PIttsburgh

but i was in town for the game on Tuesday night and was able to catch your show coming out of the city. Really enjoyed it! Thanks for these type of posts as well!

by biglar33 on Jun 22, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Just needed to read the first question & answer to understand there’s a great post here.. Wow, thanks !

"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"

by Elektrostal_Kid on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks....

for all the nice comments. Obviously I do this because I enjoy it and it is good stuff for me to talk about on the postgame show. I appreciate all the awesome feedback I get here and all the support you guys have given me here and on the show.

It is greatly appreciated.


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by David Todd on Jun 23, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

any way for out-of-towners to hear your radio work?

"It's better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is always right"

by CAGGS on Jun 23, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The postgame....

shows streams on 104.7. By clicking on the Extra Innings link in my signature line you can get to the Listen Live link.

Also, most of the shows are podcast from that link as well.


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by David Todd on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

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