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Nationals 2, Pirates 1: Bucs Miss Opportunities, Let Tim Wood Blow Game

WASHINGTON, DC - JULY 01:  Matt Stairs #12 of the Washington Nationals gets a shaving cream pie by Jerry Hairston Jr. #15 after driving in the winning run against the Pittsburgh Pirates at Nationals Park on July 1, 2011 in Washington, DC. The Nationals won the game 2-1.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

I was out covering a ballgame locally tonight and am just now watching the replay, but this already looks like a very frustrating loss. The Nationals gave the Pirates great opportunities in the first and third innings, and the Pirates did nothing with them. In the first, the Bucs got a single from Chase D'Arnaud and a walk by Andrew McCutchen, but Matt Diaz grounded into a double play to end it.

Then in the third, the Pirates had three runners reach base without the ball leaving the infield (one on an infield single, the other two on Nationals errors), and they got an additional gift on an RBI grounder by Alex Presley in which a Nats infielder could have thrown home, but took the out at first instead. And despite all that, they only got one run in the inning, which ended - and not meaning to pick on the guy here, but two terrible at-bats are two terrible at-bats - when Matt Diaz struck out on a pitch about a foot out of the zone.

Charlie Morton returned after missing one start and only allowed one run, on a solo homer by Roger Bernardina. The bullpen maintained a 1-1 tie until the bottom of the ninth, at which point Clint Hurdle brought in Tim Wood, even though Joel Hanrahan had not pitched in several days and Jose Veras also should have been available. Now, at this point, Wood has pitched eight innings with the Bucs and allowed eight walks while striking out two. I was glad when the Pirates promoted him, but at this point, he hasn't done much to justify being used in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game. I'm not sure what he was doing in there while guys like Hanrahan and Veras went unused.

Anyway, Wood allowed a single to Mike Morse, then had to intentionally walk a batter after Morse advanced to second on a wild pitch that was about 18 inches from where Mike McKenry put his glove. The next pitch was again way, way off the mark, and it ended up hitting the umpire in the junk. If these weren't indications that Wood should have been taken out, I'm not sure what would have been. (And the Pirates had plenty of time to have someone warm up, too, because the ump needed time to recuperate.) But no. Hurdle left Wood in to pitch to Matt Stairs, who hit a walk-off RBI single. 

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Didn't get to see the game...

a friend sent a text and said the Matt Stairs got a walk-off hit.

He could have just said “they put Tim Wood in”, and I would have expected a loss. Seriously, Tim Wood is awful. We have Michael Dubee at AAA, tearing it up (like he’s done for the last 3 years!), and we stick with a poor waiver pick-up in Tim Wood. Hell, I’m so sick of Wood, that I would rather see Chris Bootcheck back (and yes, he’s available).

by H2O on Jul 2, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

"Hell, I’m so sick of Wood"

That’s what she said.

(I couldn’t resist, try as I might…)

by bluecheer on Jul 2, 2011 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Wood is not a major league caliber baseball player.

Neither is Josh Harrison for that matter.

Now, before white angus jumps on my case, I will say this: Tim Wood is good enough to strike me out on TWO pitches. Josh Harrison has so much more athletic ability than me, it’s sickening. But, I’m a lawyer, and they are professional ballplayers. Just as everything I do is open to malpractice claims even if the vast majority of people don’t know a tort from promisory estoppel, they are open to criticism even though I would put up a triple slash line of .000/.000/.000.

Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you

by Scranton on Jul 2, 2011 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

This was hard to watch.

Calling on Wood in a tie game and in the 9th, I don’t understand it but I’ll live with it. Leaving him in there with 2 men on and none out with Hanrahan warming up in the pen. Does not compute….

by Ellis D. on Jul 2, 2011 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

Joel Hanrahan needs to be used in that spot. It’s silly to think otherwise. How can you justify using option 2a (or 2b, depending on what you think of Veras) in the 8th of a tie game and then using AAA fodder in the 9th in the same scenario?

Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you

by Scranton on Jul 2, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hanrahan WAS NOT warming up`

He lightly tossed in our half of the 9th in case we scored a run but we quickly went 1 2 3 and he sat back down. He did not stand up again and it was clear the game was Wood’s to lose or extend.

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatevs

Everything that guy just said is bullshit . . .thank you

by Scranton on Jul 2, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

we had already used watson, mccutchen, resop and moskos out of the pen

i totally understand why wood was left in there. it was Wood’s pitching that lost the game, not the coaching staff. why you guys cant understand that is beyond me.

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was the coaching staff that burned through watson, mccutchen, resop, and moskos

In a tie game where it looks like both teams are having trouble scoring runs, you might want to maneuver things so you don’t have to take Watson out after one batter, so you don’t put Moskos in a position where you’ll have to pull him if he doesn’t get both lefties, and most important, so you don’t pull McCutchen (who is the long guy) after a single inning.

Also, I think you should dial back the condescension. It’s pretty insulting to say “why you guys cant understand that is beyond me.”

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was Wood's pitching that lost the game

because he was in there when shouldn’t have been… As WHYGZS says, they should have put at least one of Resop or McCutchen in position to go multiple innings. If the game was still tied after that, Veras and Hanrahan should have been the next guys in. If you aren’t going to pitch your better pitchers, you are not going to give yourself the best chance of winning the game. Why you cant understand that is beyond me.

by BurgherKing on Jul 2, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHYGZS…hmm…doesn’t flow as well as the other WHYGer.

Thank you Ned Colletti.

by ryebr3ad on Jul 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh, yeah

but thats about as much as i can type :)

by BurgherKing on Jul 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

what i cant understand is that ALL of you think you know more about the game than anyone who actually gets paid to be in baseball...

knowing more than me doesnt mean shit. im the first to admit my IQ is on par with Overbay’s OPS… but my intangibles make me awesome.

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, just giving you guff

and of course Overbay is like in the top very small proportion of the population as to the OPS he can put up. (It’s just like, not top enough for a 1B. #freematthague)

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overbay isn't at the top...

of the population of ML first basemen.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and we all know this already

so let the FO get someone who will be better. right now, i dont thing the pirates have that guy. and i dont think Pena is the guy either.

if pena is that guy, then i will defend him the same way i defend overbay.

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

better than

roadkill squirrel – as far as anybody is concerned.

by BlindSquirrel on Jul 3, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

I can’t hear you all the way up there on your high horse. Let me know when you come down. We’re fans angus. This is what we do. We praise the team when things go well and bitch when they don’t. I seriously doubt this blog would have as much traffic if we were all Stepford Fans. And for the record a lot of posters are incredibly smart and some have as much baseball experience as Neal Huntington; some more. It would be equally foolish to just dismiss their opinions as uninformed simply because they don’t get paid by the Pirates.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jul 2, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

why is that foolish?

whining and bitching about the same damn things over and over and over doesnt make a fan knowludg… knawlud… knowhaledge… uhhh, smart… it makes him whiney.

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

thought I already answered that...

Guess I’m to stupid to make my point correctly! I’m with you on the whining stuff though.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jul 2, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurdle managed like game 7 of the WS until the 9th

How do you use up your entire pen and then just throw it away by putting in Wood there? I don’t get it. Veras disappeared in the late innings so I’m guessing he wasn’t actually available but there was no need to pull Morton in the 6th with 2 out, 88 pitches thrown and no one on base. I would not have minded DCutch or Resop throwing a 2nd inning either in a tie game, knowing you have a double-header the next day.

Obviously, we can’t make Gorzo look like Sandy Koufax but I was very unimpressed with Hurdle’s use of the pen tonight

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions  

because morton was NOT pitching well, thats why...

he had no control of his pitches at all last night. and he wasnt fooling anyone either.
his 2 seamer looked flat and had no bite

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

"not sure what he was doing in there while guys like Hanrahan and Veras went unused"

Apparently, Hurdle will not use Hanrahan (or any closer) in a tie game on the road whether he is rested or not. The same scenario occurred in the 11-inning June 19th game at Cleveland (another Wood loss). I pointed out in the overflow thread tonight that Davy Johnson did use Storen, and WHYG Zane Smith replied “Actually this makes sense…I worked this out on the last huge extra inning thread — it makes sense to save your closer on the road” (he was referring to that June 19th game). So the logic is somewhere in that thread or maybe WHYG can reiterate it.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Jul 2, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

It does not in any way make sense

when your other option is the current Tim Wood

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

especially when Hurdle did use Hanrahan in the June 20 blowout loss with the reasoning that he needed work. But again, I don’t remember WHYG’s logic.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Jul 2, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

hi

This was the comment I was referring back to (of course I didn’t link it at the time). It’s very tl;dr, but basically if you’re going to win the game you need someone to pitch the bottom of the inning when you have a lead. The odds are that it’ll be a one-run lead, and getting a save with a one-run lead is more valuable than extending a tie game. So, if you can only get one inning from your best reliever, it makes sense to save him — though you might also want to use him against the heart of the other team’s lineup (doesn’t really apply to the Nats) or once guys get on base.

That said, Hurdle screwed the pooch with his bullpen management. Resop might have been able to go another inning, and McCutchen definitely could — there was absolutely no point in pulling him when the game could’ve gone to extras. After burning Watson, Resop, Moskos, and McCutchen just to get to the ninth, Hurdle had to leave someone in — though he probably should’ve gone to Veras to begin with — but he shouldn’t have burned all those pitchers.

Not actually affiliated with whygavs.

by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's all on the road

If you’re at home, then once you hit the ninth any win is a walk-off, and you should use your best reliever in the ninth and work down from there.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

How are you supposed to get the save with a one-run lead when your crummy reliever failed to extend the tie game in the first place?

by matskralc on Jul 2, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, the thing is

If you have a crummy reliever and a great reliever, it doesn’t much matter whether the great reliever nails down the bottom of the ninth and the crummy reliever blows the save in the bottom of the tenth, or whether the crummy reliever blows the game in the bottom of the ninth. (And even Tim Wood isn’t so bad that he’s guaranteed to blow the game, though it looks like that sometimes.) I’m saying it makes sense to save your best reliever on the road - but you should definitely be using your second and third-best relievers in the other high-leverage innings, not your worst.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I’m in a situation where one run guarantees that I will lose the game, I’m going with the best pitcher I have available. On the road in the ninth or later of a tie game, one run guarantees that you will lose. Ergo, I’m starting with the best pitcher I have available and working down from there in an attempt to extend the game as long as I can to get a run from my offense. You want your best pitchers pitching in the highest leverage situations. Tie games in the ninth or later are higher leverage than one-run leads in the ninth or later.

It just doesn’t make sense to save somebody to protect a lead that I don’t even have yet. You need to do everything you can to put your team in a position to get that lead in the first place. Throwing Tim Wood in the highest leverage situation of the entire ball game does not do that.

I would have begrudgingly accepted going to Veras instead of Hanrahan in the ninth. I would have still grumbled about it but I’d like to think I wouldn’t be blaming that decision for the loss. At leat we seem to agree that going with Wood was inexcusable.

by matskralc on Jul 2, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is it a given that the Nats score in every inning that Wood begins?

Because, if that’s the premise, then the Pirates cannot win once they fail to score in the 9th. If Hanny pitches the ninth, then Wood either blows a save in the 10th, or loses a tie game.

It’s not hard to understand. Wood could (conceivably) have pitched1-2-3 there – certainly he was facing no one intimidating. If he does, then Hanrahan remains available for the bottom of the 10th, which either guarantees a win or is exactly as high leverage as the 9th was.

The mistake was leaving Wood in, not putting him in in the first place.

by JRoth95 on Jul 2, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it is a given that Wood will give up a run in any inning he pitches

It couldn’t possible be right to use him in the bottom of the 9th of a tie game. If he gives up a run in the bottom of the 10th the Pirates could still win. Giving up a run in the 9th results in a sure loss.

I don’t understand the logic you and WHY G use to conclude that a certain loss is better than a possible blown save.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 2, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not a given that Wood will give up a run

JRoth and I both said that.

My argument isn’t about using Wood (I’ve already said that it’d have been better to use someone better who wasn’t Hanrahan, and much better not to have used four relievers to get seven outs in the sixth through eighth). It’s about when you want to use your best reliever. Going into the bottom of a tied inning, you know you’ll need to pitch at least two more innings to win, so you’ll have to use Hanrahan and someone else. The most valuable situation is one where you know that you win if you get a scoreless inning, and the game goes on if you don’t (or you lose if you give up two), so it’s at least defensible to save your best reliever for that. Getting a scoreless inning in the ninth isn’t that valuable if your offense isn’t going to score for three more innings.

Now, if your only alternative is someone who’s guaranteed to give up a run, then you should use Hanrahan and hope the offense gives Wood a big enough cushion that he can’t blow it. But then again, if Wood is guaranteed to give up a run, if you don’t score at least two in the top of the inning you’re screwed anyway. Since Wood isn’t actually guaranteed to give up the run, and since it’s not that likely that the Pirates will score more than one in any given inning — not to mention that they could’ve put in Veras — it’s arguable that you shouldn’t use Hanrahan, since the most likely path to victory is scoring a run in the 10th and having Hanrahan close it.

Exactly what the best decision is depends on the numbers, how likely you are to score two and how much more valuable a save is than a scoreless ninth in a tie game. But extending the game with Hanrahan and letting Wood blow it the next inning isn’t actually any better than letting Wood blow it right away. The thing is not to put yourself in a position where you need Wood.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is not to put yourself in a position where you need Wood.

Is it too soon for another “That’s what she said” joke?

by matskralc on Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 2, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't quite see how an inning

can be higher leverage than the bottom of the ninth inning in a tie game. Give up a run and you lose. By compairson If you lead by one going into the bottom of the 10th and give up a run you still might win so the former seems more high leverage than the latter to me.

In other words I don’t understand the logic behind your suggestion that a save is worth more than preserving a 9th inning tie. It seems to me that the reverse is true since you can still win if the save is blown and there is also a possiblity that the Bucs score more than one run in the 10th in which case Wood can give up a run and still get the save.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 2, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the bottom of the 9th, score tied, give up a run and you lose (0% chance of winning), but don’t give up a run and the score’s still tied (50% chance of winning).

In the bottom of the 10th, up 1 run, don’t give up a run and you win (100% chance of winning), give up one run and the score is tied (50% chance of winning) — the spread between those two outcomes is the same as in the ninth, tied — give up two runs and you lose (0% chance of winning). So the spread of possible outcomes is larger.

This doesn’t show that one is more high-leverage than the other; that would depend on the exact chances of scoring 1 run, 2 run, etc. I think that it works out that scoring 1 run is a lot more likely than scoring 2 runs (which seems like it’d be especially true for last night’s Bucs) so it isn’t really worth hoping that you’ll score two runs to give Wood a cushion, but to really understand the numbers you have to look at what the real stat-heads are doing, not fakers like me.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won’t argue with the last line too much. I cringed when Wood came in in the first place. There’s even less of an excuse for leaving him in there once he got in trouble.

by matskralc on Jul 2, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Tie games in the ninth or later are higher leverage than one-run leads in the ninth or later.”

I don’t think this is true — last night, when Wood came in for the bottom of the 9th in a tie game, the leverage index was 2.23, and the night before, when Walden came in for a one-run save in the bottom of the ninth, the leverage index was 2.76. (Should’ve been lower, since he was facing Bixler, but the stats don’t know that.)

On the other hand, the win probability numbers seem to be different from when I did my analysis before; here Papelbon gets .178 WPA for a 1-run save, here Walden gets .147 WPA for a 1-run save…. aw crap, it’s AL parks vs. NL parks, isn’t it? A scoreless inning is more valuable in an AL park, because in NL parks the pitcher bats sometimes. (Though not in the ninth, in tied or 1-run games.) If the WPA for a 1-run save is .147, then it’s not worth saving your closer, because of the chance that you score more than one in the top of the inning (making the save considerably less valuable). Which means I should probably leave this analysis to less amateur stat-heads.

But it’s probably pretty close anyway, and it might make sense to save somebody to protect a lead you don’t have — because in order to win that game you need to get that lead. I think we’re in agreement that the big problem was going with Wood rather than some better reliever, and managing the bullpen so that there weren’t more options.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It basically measures how important an at-bat is, based on how much whatever happens in the game will change your chances of winning. Bottom of the ninth, two outs, bases loaded in a tie game would be very high leverage, because what happens determines whether you win or lose. Top of the ninth with a ten-run lead is very low leverage. Late innings in tie and one-run games are high leverage even if no one’s on or out.

As for how they put a number on it, I sure don’t understand it.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a measure

what managers could do with it is use it to figure what the critical point in the game is, and use their best shots at those points…

by BurgherKing on Jul 2, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silver Lining?

At least we have rested closers for games tomorrow (Hanrahan, Veras in the DH) and Sunday, whereas the Nats just used Storen and will have to rely on Burnett to close. If we don’t blow them out, let’s hope we get some leads.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Jul 2, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

some thoughts

hurdle said in a post game that he needed to try and get production from guy not named veras or hanrahan, also for the silver lining it looks like chris leroux has been called up, but not sure…all this im getting from dk’s twitter.. http://twitter.com/#!/dejan_kovacevic

my two cents on this one is that while the line says the buccos bullpen (see tim wood) blew this one, its more on the bats. 0-11 with RISP is just awefull.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Someone, like say... your starting pitcher?

 who had 88 pitches and given up only 3 hits and had 2 outs and no one on? That might have been a good place to start.

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

who missed

a start because of fatigue?

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Morton only giving up 3 hits is a little misleading. The Nats hit some absolute rockets that turned into outs, including 2 or 3 in a row leading up to Hurdle pulling him. Maybe you let Morton try and get Nix out and finish the inning, but that would have been all they got out of him anyway…he wasn’t going back out for the 7th.

by mak_DC on Jul 2, 2011 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, morton was not fooling anyone out there... i agree with you completely

if someone says that morton should have been left in, they obviously werent watching the game

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, I was, AT, the game

and I understood we needed to get something out of our starter since it looked like a long game. How many GBs to Ronny did he have? A lot. After the first inning he was throwing strikes, and yes there were some hard hit balls but until they at least THREATEN, you keep the guy in, it wasn’t like we had 2 on or anything. He definitely could have gone a batter or two in the 7th also.

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked really good after the first couple of innings...

but still is not pitching with confidence against lefties. With Bernadina up and having already taken him deep (which was the only really hard hit ball after the 1st) I have no problem with Hurdle going to the pen when he did.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jul 2, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what i saw from morton during the game:

no control of his 2 seamer at all. none.

couldnt get his curveball to buckle any knees; the ball quickly dying down and away.

looked to be frustrated on the mound after each solid contact.

by white angus on Jul 2, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hurdle's quote on the MLB recap

“Resop and [Jose] Veras have been in 40 games. They can’t pitch every night. I’ve got to have other guys contribute. Also, I felt he could get them out,” Hurdle said. “You’ve got to pick your poison on where you want to go from there.” The 40 games statement is true.

by Central*Scrutinizer on Jul 2, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Resop only threw 12 pitches in the 8th. He could have and should have started the 9th. There’s no logical excuse for using Wood in that situation.

by bolton on Jul 2, 2011 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ol' double switch was the reason

Harrison made the last out, so Hurdle moved Wood’s spot there and subbed Walker, who would have batted second in the 10th. I don’t mind some of Hurdle’s double switches, but was that even a defensive upgrade with Walker’s bad back?

by Central*Scrutinizer on Jul 2, 2011 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except...

…you have to consider the double header today. I was griping about him taking out Resop until I remembered the double header. I assumed that Hurdle didn’t want Resop to pitch 2 innings and be shot for both games today.

by mak_DC on Jul 2, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

this isn't unreasonable

but that’s why you leave your long man in to pitch another inning.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 2, 2011 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a long season

that’s why I can’t really blame CH for his bullpen management. It sucked for sure in a do or die scenario, but this is the Washington Nationals. A interestingly boring team who isn’t in our division I might add. In terms of mental makeup of a staff or in the least seeing what you have…(Wood has stuff, that is pretty evident, but even wood fails sometimes when the drinking is excessive)…he didn’t get the job done. The Pirate fan in me thought that when the ump got balled over, wow what a perfect chance to bring in Veras/Hammer. It didn’t happen, but hey hindsight is 20/20. a bad call perhaps, but a good call in the long run? I don’t have a link but they brought someone up right…

#31 All Day...

by SmokyB on Jul 2, 2011 4:56 AM EDT reply actions  

does anyone else

see the hilarity of umps balls getting pounded by wood…

i giggle every time….l dingle and berry sitting next to each other in morgantown…good stuff

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

*like dingle and berry

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

wood; worst line up of the year?

i hope tim wood gets the boot down. i think i saw his record is 0-4??? not sure but i know he has atleast 2 loses. i know W-L isnt a good indicator, but for a relief pitcher with like 10 innings pitched i think its pretty telling. send him down.

this line up was painful to watch, i got a terrible feeling once cutch, presley and chase hit, and ronny for that matter, because i believe everyone else is allergic to the baseball. this might have been the worst lineup we have put out all year.

by bbautista24 on Jul 2, 2011 5:18 AM EDT reply actions  

hurdle said in a post game that he needed to try and get production from guy not named veras or hanrahan, also for the silver lining it looks like chris leroux has been called up, but not sure…all this im getting from dk’s twitter.. http://twitter.com/#!/dejan_kovacevic

.

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

akng with brad lincoln

" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 2, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Crotta or Ascanio?

by CutchFan on Jul 2, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he had his chance

he has shown he isnt ready. there is no downside to replacing him with anyone. he has not been good. let someone else have a shot.

by bbautista24 on Jul 3, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

shaving cream pie in the face

Is anyone else sick of this? Used to be saved for special-ish occasions, I think, but now it seems like any walkoff hit ends up with a shaving cream pie.

by mak_DC on Jul 2, 2011 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

There was an article two months, when Brandon Wood was released by the Angels, that stated that he was statistically-speaking, the worst hitter of all-time. Two nights ago, he DHed for us. Last night, our cleanup hitter had zero home runs. In fact, the guys we started last night at our four corner outfield/corner infield spots have less than 10 HRs this season so far. This Pirate lineup might be one of the worst we’ve ever seen. I can stomache a bad lineup that contains young, potentially-improving players like Harrison, D’Arnaud, and Presley. Watching Overbay and Diaz continue to suck is painful though. I liked how during the Root broadcast last night, they showed how good Matt Diaz’s batting average against LHP has been over the last couple of months. They failed to show his OPS though. Proof you can make even the crappiest of performance look decent if you manipulate the numbers one way.

by slick720 on Jul 2, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

It is funny

We put up an awful lineup, blow numerous opportunities to score enough runs to win, and the entire thread is bitching about bullpen management. This should have been a game in which we didn’t even need Hanrahan.

by JRoth95 on Jul 2, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, now that just makes sense.

Cut it out.

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 2, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I pointed that out

but we can’t control injuries and our lineup currently sucking. Our bullpen usage is something we can control, or Hurdle can at least

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only way I see Leroux getting called up is...

if the Pirates make 2 moves before the DH. I’m guessing that Wood will be shipped out to open a spot for Lincoln (I would have said one of the IF, but with Walker dinged up, that won’t happen), and one of the lefties for Leroux. They can survive a few days with one lefty in the bullpen, because Beimel will be ready shortly.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Biertempfel believes that Lincoln will get sent down after the DH and Leroux will replace him on the roster and pitch out of the bullpen. Tim Wood should be gone before Game 2, so I wouldn’t be shocked to see him used during game 1.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I AM ANGRY

The 1st game of the DH today will not be on TV today. Not on ROOT, not on MASN, not anywhere! I’m actually seriously pissed off about this.

by Zach Buccos on Jul 2, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Blame FOX...

they always have national exclusivity during their game of the week, which happens to be at 4 pm EDT today. So everyone can watch a game that no one outside of NYC is interested in.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank bud selig. he sold his soul to fox.

by fortmyer on Jul 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That implies

That he had a soul in the first place

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 2, 2011 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well he did own the Brewers so....

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by WVPiratesfan on Jul 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

No roster moves posted for Game 1...

d’Arnaud getting his first ML start at SS.

Presley LF
d’Arnaud SS
Jones RF
McCutchen CF
Walker 2B
Overbay 1B
Wood 3B
McKenry C
McDonald P

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Fort starting the day/night? Very odd since we know Fryer will be starting 1 today and probably the day game tomorrow…

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what they are posting.

BTW…Livan is pitching the first game for the Nats, not the 2nd game, as if you couldn’t tell with both Jones and Overbay in the lineup.

So…with Lannan in the 2nd game, we’ll probably see…
Presley LF
d’Arnaud 3B
McCutchen CF
Diaz RF
Overbay 1B
Walker 2B
Cedeno SS
Fryer C
Lincoln P

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although Walker might not play both due to his back, in which case Harrison would play.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe they think Lincoln and Mac will be more comfortable with their respective catchers.

No game thread yet, but would anyone really be upset if Lincoln was hitting 6th?

by Mr. E on Jul 2, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't imagine...

that Fryer has caught Lincoln more than a couple of times.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Fryer has caught Lincoln 3 times.

by Thunder on Jul 2, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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