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A Look At 19 & The Fallout

Plenty has been said about the call to end last night's game. A lot has been said about Clint Hurdle's managerial decisions along the way. But there is some real fallout from last night that is likely to take place in the next couple hours.

First, the Pirates bullpen is reasonably shot after the last few days. The starters haven't been able to go deep, so it has been all hands on deck. With 20 games in 20 days, the last thing this team needed was a 19-inning marathon in game five, but it is what it is. Here is a list of innings pitched and pitches over the last five games:

                           Friday       Saturday       Sunday       Monday       Tuesday

Beimel               0.1-3            0.1-4              1.0-11           ----              2.0-21     

Grilli                   1.0-15           ----                1.2-24           ----              3.0-50

Hanrahan            ----                ----                1.0-14         1.0-11           ----

McCutchen        1.0-8             0.1-1                ----            1.0-22          5.1-92

Resop                0.2-16           ----                1.0-16          0.2-8            1.0-7

Veras                   ----             0.2-34              ----             1.0-14          1.0-11

Watson                ----              3.0-39              ----               ----             1.0-26

So, first, who is not available tonight? After last night's fantastic effort, Dan McCutchen isn't available for at least the next two or three days. (His busting it down the line on a grounder to second and on a sac bunt impressed the Twitter world. His play on the weak grounder to the right of the mound was equally impressive. Heck of an athlete, heck of an effort.) Jason Grilli is most likely not available the next two days. Having pitched three games in a row, Chris Resop is also unavailable tonight. The other four guys should be able to pitch at least one inning and possibly two. Tony Watson will be the long man, but I would bet your house that Paul Maholm goes seven tonight. I think he'll have to be physically restrained not to, even if it means throwing 140 pitches. There has been a lot said and written about Maholm over the course of the year and what the team should do regarding his option and the trade deadline--all of it worthwhile discussion. But, it is always worth remembering what a dependable pitcher and team guy Maholm is and he is going to wear it tonight. I guarantee it.

What should the Pirates do? The first thing I would do is option out Chase d'Arnaud. 1.) He fractured his pinky Sunday, so he is dealing with a minor injury. 2.) He isn't going to play much in Pittsburgh, so he's better off playing every day in Indy. 3.) Most importantly, he hasn't been good. His defense at third has been okay, at shortstop it has been sub-standard. His OPS is .539 and his OPS+ is 51. No mincing words. That's terrible.

In his place for the next day or two I recall a pitcher.  I don't know if the pitcher to be recalled should/will be Brad Lincoln, Garrett Olson or Chris Leroux, but the team needs another arm for the next couple games, and with the amount of time Pedro Ciriaco has spent on the roster Hurdle obviously is comfortable playing with 4 bench players.

There is a chance the team will option Dan McCutchen instead. While he probably is unavailable for at least three days, he has pitched so well, I actually think not having him for the extra seven days he would have to stay in Indy is a mistake. While I initially thought this was the move the team should make, I've changed my mind.

After the bullpen is back to normal, the trade deadline will impact how things play out. I really no longer see a reason for Lyle Overbay to be on the roster come August 1, once any moves have been made. I'm willing to give veterans a lot of rope, but I think the team now has to move on. While just releasing him may sound imprudent, the money is spent so that shouldn't come into play. Does it make sense to keep him for a month until rosters expand, using him as a defensive replacement? Possibly. But, I think John Bowker is more likely to give the team better at bats if an outside player isn't brought in to sure up the position--which at this point would seem to be a real mistake. If the bullpen is back rested in three days, management can send the recalled pitcher back out and recall Josh Harrison to take d'Arnaud's spot if deemed necessary. The difference between Harrison and d'Arnaud on the bench for a few days is indistinguishable.

With the trade deadline around the corner speculating on what's next would just be guessing, but it is important that the Pirates make the right move here this afternoon. I really think any move other than optioning Chase d'Arnaud and recalling a pitcher is the wrong one. At the time I said the team made big mistake when they didn't recall Alex Presley for the Cleveland interleague series. They went on to get swept in Cleveland. These next five games are big. The trade deadline moves will frame the roster for the next two months, but they should get this move right for the next few days. The games are equally important. All arms on deck.

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you’re betting my house now.

;-)

Free your ass and your mind will follow.

by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

speaking of smarter...?

looks like the Cardinals MIGHT be aquiring Edwin Jackson in a trade for Colby Rasmus…

is this smart or is this an example of Larussa getting rid of someone he doesnt want?

by white angus on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably both. I saw over Twitter earlier that LaRussa said Rasmus won’t listen to STL’s coaching staff. Not a good relationship there, apparently.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i posted this on the trade deadline thread

and now there’s an Olney tweet: “The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.”

This makes less and less sense to me, as a trade. In the short term— this year— i dont think it hurts the Cards much, but unless Rz is a starter and a decent one, this sucks for them.

by BurgherKing on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh made a fanshot on it…sorry to steal some thunder from ya

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by C Shint on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not enough can be said about what Dan McCutchen did last night

he was the one that truly got robbed by the call at the plate. If Overbay gave a quarter of the effort that McCutchen did last night, or that McKenry does on a nightly basis (caught 19 innings last night!!), then he probably wouldn’t be in danger of getting shipped out.

i think Lincoln is the guy to call up. He’s been starting, so his arm is stretched out. He could conceivably have 2-3 multi-inning outings in a row, and can hit well enough that he won’t necessarily need to be pinch-hit for.

by theatrain on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep,

mid-August I think is the date. Another 40-man roster decision will have to be made.


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by David Todd on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

spot on about d'Arnaud

Optioning him would be good for the Bucs’ present and its future. He needs more time in AAA.

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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

I would demote Chase and bring up a pitcher for a few days.

by Brakeman8 on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure Olson is an option since he just started and is not on the 40. Chase could DL, then start a rehab as soon as he is ready and be back as soon as the 15 days are up.
Not sure they can send him down with a known injury, would have to DL or they run into union problems.

by NHpiratefan on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He played last

night with known injury. Yes you are right about Olson and 40-man. I was thinking he got scratched from his start this afternoon in Indy, but that isn’t the case.


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by David Todd on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lincoln and harrison

  send down chase or dl him and mCutchen could use a rest ,also harrison could pinch for pedro vs lefthanders or guys who throw fast.

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by sweetleb on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Any chance of bringing back Tim Wood? He wasn’t great when he was up but he was decent enough apart from the Cleveland game.

by Akshay R on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably

only when rosters expand. Doesn’t really fit as a late inning guy and they probably have better long man options.


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by David Todd on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since D'arnaud is really relegated to PR duties, and this makes little sense because his slide technique got him injured in the first place,

the Pirates should option him back to Indy, if he’s not put on the DL. D’Arnaud needs to play every day back there the rest of their season anyway.

I guess Harrison would be the man to come back.

If the club keeps D Cutch around til he’s ready to pitch again in a few days, he can be an extra PR. We’ve seen him steal a base and we know what kind of athlete he is.

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by patthatt on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes...

that is a very legitimate point. Problem is, it is very unlikely you ever use a reliever to PR, but you are right about the next few days.


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by David Todd on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just looking at options for the next few days.

I just can’t see the point of having D’Arnaud on the roster while his finger is messed up. He can’t hit with it, from what I could see last night, and the last thing we need is for him to completely screw it up on another kamikaze head-first slide in this series.

I’ve got to believe we’ll hear about a move or two in a few hours and someone’s getting on a plane from Indy.

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by patthatt on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some people who don't follow the Bucs

are actually suggesting this loss is the beginning of the end of the 2011 season. While the pitching situation will be difficult with all these back to back games, I would be absolutely floored if the team folds because of the 19 inning loss. If anything, the blown call could have the opposite effect, and motivate this team even more.

Bottom line, if the Bucs do fade the rest of the season, I feel it will be because they simply weren’t good enough, not because the starch was taken out of them by this defeat.

by SteelStealth on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

funny

some people were also suggesting this about saturday’s loss against the cardinals. seems like every loss is the beginning of the end.

by johnnycuff on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big trades have happened

check the fanshot section for my shot, as we can rosterbate it there, instead of cluttering up a top story on the front page!

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by C Shint on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Are we sure Resop is unavailable?

Even through he’s been in 3 straight games, he only threw 31 pitches combined in the 3 games. Is it pretty standard to assume he shouldn’t go 4 straight because of all of the warmups and other non-game action stuff?

by CoryR on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Hurdle

is very against 4 appearances in a row. I know he’s been explicit about this with Hanny, I assume it applies to all his RPs.

by JRoth95 on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep...

pretty much what JRoth said.


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by David Todd on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I'm willing to give veterans a lot of rope"

Overbay has taken the rope, made a noose for himself, and it is drawing tighter by the day.

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by patthatt on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Great post

I was wondering about just this – not only a 19 inning game, but also 2 straight starters going 5 or 5.1 innings.

I also agree with your prescription. A week without NoRelation is too long. My only caveat is – or was going to be, until I saw gonfalon’s comment about Lincoln’s last start – that it could make sense to bring up Lincoln now, use him as a long reliever for a few days, then shift him into a 6 man rotation.

by JRoth95 on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

D’Arnaud needs to go down, and we need to bring up someone capable of giving us 3 innings.

by BurgherKing on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy to bring up

if you are sending down Chase, is either Moskos or Burres. You really can’t have enough lefties against Philadelphia and Atlanta

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by VoteforPedro on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

probably Moskos

Burres would require a 40-man move if I’m not mistaken.

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

appreciate you putting in the time to get the relief pitchers IP over the last 5 days

It’ll save me, tonight, saying “Why the hell don’t they bring Resop in?”

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Now now

Let’s not go with crazy talk.

“Why won’t that idiot Hurdle bring in Resop!?”

If you yell it loud enough, the contents of this post will leak right out your ears. Problem solved.

by JRoth95 on Jul 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

I don’t know if I’ve EVER asked for them to bring in Resop. Just trying to be optimistic…until we (hopefully) trade for some veteran bullpen arms.

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too long to lose

I agree that that game was just what the Pirates did not need. After a rain delay the previous night and 19 innings last night, we need Malholm to go deep and rest the pen.

by Mybrotherskeeper on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Leroux eligible to come back yet?

When was he optioned? 21st?

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by patthatt on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If he replaces a guy who goes to the DL

he is eligible even if the 10 days since his demotion have not elapsed.

by WestCoastBuc on Jul 27, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has been said

but I’d like to throw some props out to D. McCutchen for his outting last night.

One thing his 5+ innings did was save us a couple of those guys that are available tonight.

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

probably can't wipe his ass today

but they’ve got clubhouse guys for that, right?

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, my bad! I always heard the players tipped the clubhouse guys good money…after 92 pitches last night….

by insane_sanity on Jul 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Were you in Japan when Konishiki was in his prime?

I guarantee you it was hard for him to clean himself.

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by patthatt on Jul 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listening to your podcast right now (thanks for posting it). Great job handling angry Pittsburgh.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Totally agree about Maholm

I bet he shows up big time tonight. And last night’s marathon/robbery might actually help this team in a “us against the world” sort of way.


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by michaelbro8 on Jul 27, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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