Philadelphia's Pence Negotiations Open an Intriguing Opportunity?
by Vlad on Jul 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
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Today, ESPN's Jayson Stark wrote a piece about players who were popular targets at the trade deadline, giving a status update for the ones he considered to be the top five available. Of these, Hunter Pence was #1, and according to Stark, the "Pirates and Indians had peeled off after hearing the price tag". Closing the door on Pence himself doesn't necessarily mean that we can't exploit the situation to our benefit, however. Stark also wrote the following:
The Phillies initially offered their two best prospects, pitcher Jarred Cosart and first baseman Jonathan Singleton, and were told that wasn't enough. The Phillies then offered to include their right fielder, Domonic Brown . But the Astros , according to one team that spoke with them, would prefer to spin Brown elsewhere for multiple prospects than take him themselves.
So both clubs have been contacting other teams, trying to construct a creative enough deal to work for everybody. According to an official of one club that got drawn into those talks, the chances of that happening are "50-50." But it sure won't be because they aren't actively trying.
Brown entered the year as one of the best hitting prospects in baseball. Baseball America ranked him as the #4 prospect in the game , behind only Bryce Harper , Mike Trout , and Jesus Montero . Subscribers can read their glowing review of his abilities here (a few highlights: "a physical specimen"..."draws comparisons to a young Barry Bonds "..."creates incredible bat speed"..."has a relatively short stroke with few holes"..."has above-average speed and the strongest outfield arm in the system"..."a future all-star"). It's hard to get much better than that.
Brown broke his hamate bone this spring and had it surgically removed, putting him on the shelf for the start of the season. You may recall that Pedro Alvarez also broke his hamate bone in college - that was the injury that allowed him to drop in the draft to our pick. It's a fairly common injury that's easily corrected with surgery, and it generally has little in the way of long-term consequences for a player's career. Inconveniently enough for the Phillies, however, it does tend to limit a player's power production for the year (give or take) following the injury. As such, while Brown has been fairly productive for them since returning from the disabled list (a 103 OPS+ in 204 PA), he hasn't been able to perform at the peak of his abilities, leading to their interest in Pence.
A 103 OPS+ may not be world-beating production, but it's a substantial upgrade on what we're getting from Lyle Overbay right now. Acquiring Brown would allow us to upgrade the present team by moving Jones to first base and replacing Overbay's limp bat with Brown's superior one, while also adding a potential long-term contributor to the major league roster at an area of need. We currently have a substantial amount of pitching depth in our minor league system, but relatively few potential impact bats. Sending several of our better young arms to the Astros in exchange for Brown is a move that could help serve everyone's best interests. I hope that Stark's report is correct, and that Huntington is willing to consider this opportunity.
Update : According to Buster Olney , the Phillies are unwilling to include Brown in a deal for Pence. Who's right? No way to know, this time of year.
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that plus what the Phillies would give the astros would be a good haul for houston
if the stros want Lincoln, whom is ready for MLB, they could then deal Wandy for more prospects.
if that's what it takes, absolutely.
it’d probably have to be a pretty nice cherry though. i’d say anyone except tallion/heredia is fair game
and i agree
that would be a SOLID deal for houston. i don’t know what philly is thinking though
What if Allie were that cherry?
The more I think about this, the more I’m inclined to say yes.
"Never mistake motion for action." - Ernest Hemingway
I'd still make it happen with Allie
Brown is a stud.
If we’re sending Lincoln + Allie though, maybe not Locke? Maybe a Morris or Stevenson instead?
Allie’s really struggling right now. From today’s Baseball America: “To be blunt about it, Allie has been brutal.”
I think the Pirates would have to make it Taillon or Heredia.
If it's Taillon or Heredia, then an emphatic NO
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Overreact much?
I mean, come on – the kid’s thrown less than 20 innings.
by DG Lewis on Jul 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
true
but Allie was not expected to be polished this year. He’s super young and super raw. He also throws 100 mph, and you can’t teach that.
The more I think about it, why not try to build a package around Marte? Right now Marte is super valuable in our system because of the sheer lack of hitting prospects, but Brown would directly address that issue.
CTapps, you wouldn’t trade Heredia for Dom. Brown? Dom Brown has already dominated the minor leagues and is now in the majors. Heredia is 17 years old and may never make it past Double-A.
I just don't think he's "precisely the player the Pirates need"
Would he be a good and smart addition? Yes. But he plays a position that the Pirates are already pretty strong at both at the Major League level and in the minors. I’m not willing to give up my number 1 prospect for that. No way.
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Tend to agree
If we’re all of a sudden interested in Domonic Brown because Tabata’s rehab has gotten stretched out and AP is on the 15-day DL, that’s exactly the kind of move I don’t want the FO making.
No. Brown is a way better prospect than Tabata or Presley. What has Tabata done in the majors or minors that has impressed everyone so?
Dom Brown (274 PAs): -0.4 WAR
Jose Tabata (738): 3.2 (1.1 in roughly 297 this year)
I agree that Dom Brown is probably better than Tabata, but Jameson Taillon better? I don’t think the size of the upgrade is worth shipping Taillon out.
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Man. I mean Heredia might even be better than Taillon
See my post a couple down…I just don’t think OF is such a priority that the Bucs should be trading off guys like Taillon and Heredia (I would actually trade anyone else…just not those two)
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Unless you don’t think Presley is a long term answer (which he probably isn’t) and don’t want to pin your hopes solely on a kid in AA with serious plate discipline issues.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
But we have at least 2 very good outfielders in Cutch and Tabata, plus enough others in Presley and in the minors that one of them will probably be a valuable OFer. If not, I think you can add a perfectly good OF without giving up Taillon.
Maybe not now, or this year, but soon.
I just don’t think we should be parting with guys like Taillon at this point. That’s not how this team is going to succeed longterm
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In just over a season's worth of PAs
at age 21/22, he’s put up a 3.2 WAR…that’s very good.
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I’m not saying give up Taillon at all, I’m just talking about acquiring an outfielder. Saying you’re set at a position is always a bad idea, and we do not have the depth to do so at all. You need a third starting outfielder in the near future. Your internal options are essentially Presley and Marte. I’m not going to depend on them and say we shouldn’t acquire Brown because we’re set in the outfield.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 29, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it'd be a good idea to upgrade, too
But just not at the expense of Taillon or Heredia.
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Ah, well that’s a different story. I was only responding to the idea that we should not acquire Brown because we’re set in the outfield.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was unclear in that particular post
I meant it as a continuation of the others. Meaning, I DO think if we get the opportunity to get Brown (or someone else like that) then I think we should go for it. Just not at the expense of Taillon/Heredia.
Just mean, our outfield depth is sufficient if improving means giving up either of those guys.
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Please explain
exactly how the Pirates would be considered strong in the corner outfield, both majors and minors. Tabata shows promise, but outside of that Presley projects as a 4th OF, Marte is no sure thing, what else is there?
Jedi Mind Trick
This is the only way I can see how AA can fleece other GMs.
“What no you don’t want your cost controlled CF with tons of power. Yes we will trade someone else’s starter for him.”
“Vernon Wells contract is quite reasonable for his production, yes you should be happy to take him off our hands”
“Jose Bautista you want to sign with us for a below market contract after you hit the most home runs in the majors, what no no we are doing you a favor.”
That's actually
a fairly persuasive explanation.
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Lincoln and Locke?
C’mon, guys. He was the #4 prospect coming into this year. You think he wouldn’t have been taken at #2 last year if he were available?
It would take Taillon plus something, or Heredia and Allie. Those guys would have to be PTBNL, so it’s pretty well a dead idea.
Brown is pretty much the equivalent of Pedro — only he has an excuse for his (less) bad MLB performance to date.
Lincoln and Locke, sheesh.
For Pence
That doesn’t mean that the Astros should suddenly go stupid in shopping Brown, or that the Phillies should go stupid if the Astros would take less than Brown’s trade value if it were offered in pitching prospects.
The Pirates would be acquiring Brown for Lincoln and Locke. That’s a fantasy. Just because it’s three way doesn’t mean everyone turns stupid.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus Trade?
Didn’t this just happen with the Blue Jays in getting Rasmus? They essentially gave up Frasor and Zach Stewart for him. I know they gave up some relievers to the Cards too, but I don’t think those are dealbreakers here. Three-way trades are about need and filling prospect wants, which is what it looks like Ed Wade is trying to do. To be honest, I have no idea why Wade wouldn’t want Dom Brown. But HOU would be getting two Top 50 prospects (Mayo’s new list) from PHI, then another fringe Top 75 in Allie from us, plus ML-ready starter in Lincoln. Throw in Sanchez if you want…worth it to get Dom Brown. Basically HOU would be getting 5 prospects for Pence, more than they would get if you didn’t involve a third team.
by BuccoNation15 on Jul 29, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
I understand that trade season brings out a lot of absurdly mismatched proposals, but the response is all too often an insistence that nobody can ever win , or even do well, in a deal.
Hell, look at the Bay trade – if only LaRoche had panned out, then all three teams would have viewed that deal as a complete win. And 2 of the 3 teams were buyers, not sellers.
Take a deep breath before you pull out maximum skepticism on every possible deal, folks.
A few points
First, Rasmus involves PTBNL. We don’t know who those are. I get that the operating assumption is that those are scrubs, but in order for th Pirates to trade anyone, it would have to be a PTBNL. Taillon and Allie are PTBNL and I think Heredia is, too, although I’m not positive when he was signed. Maybe Heredia can be traded straight up now.
Second, Rasmus was dumped by LaRussa because of personality conflicts. Those are the situations where deals can be had, and they always involve switching leagues.
Third, Rasmus has no chance now of having a huge pre-arbitration pay-off for the Jays. Whatever he does now, he gets paid the next season. A guy in Dom Brown’s shoes (less than a year of service time) is the premium trade chip. MLB ready, but also with a possibility of maximizing value from the years before he gets paid in the millions.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
PTBNL or cash
I take your point about our guys, for legal purposes, would be PTBNL, but Rasmus includes “PTBNL or cash”, which means scrub, because you can’t include a lot of cash. I suppose they could be lying about the cash part, but I don’t think there’s precedent for that.
Anyway, the point isn’t that Rasmus == Brown; it’s that claims that advantageous 3-way trades are impossible are wrong.
Another fantasy
Would you trade Pedro, bad as he’s been, for Allie + Marte? Two non-top 100 prospects, one in SS ball, in exchange for a starting out former #4?
Fantasies.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't get your own facts
Allie’s Top 100. You can argue that that will change, or you can find a list that says otherwise, but Baseball America called him Top 100 this year, and that’s that.
If I had no expectation of contending in 2011, 2012, or 2013, why would I value Pedro, who’ll be gone after 2016, so much more than 2 guys who’ll be with the club in 2014-2020?
I know the facts
Allie’s chances of sticking in the top 100 after this year are between zero and 1%.
Everyone sees this.
He’s not even as young as he’s thought of right now. His age is still framed in terms of when he was drafted because he was just drafted last year. Beginning next year, he will be judged on his actual age relative to his level, and he is a full year older than the typical high school draftee from 2010.
Now, if you could find a NH-equivalent GM to trade with, the guy who goes by last year’s ranking and ignores the warts revealed in the current year, then I agree that Allie would have top 100 value to that GM.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
His age is still framed in terms of when he was drafted because he was just drafted last year.
And your evidence for this is…
My evidence for his age comes from his DOB
Which is available on Baseball Reference, MiLB.com and other sources. His DOB puts him as the same age as the high school class of 2009, struggling in WV rather than struggling in State College.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very anti-trading Marte
BUT if the return is Brown, frankly, why not? He becomes one of your corner OFs of the future, Marte becomes a LOT more expendable.
Ummmmmmmm?
You may recall that Pedro Alvarez also broke his hamate bone in college – that was the injury that allowed him to drop in the draft to our pick.
Not trying to be a dick, but Pedro and his broken hamate “fell” all the way to the second pick in that draft, behind Tim Beckham whom the Rays drafted because they already had a 3B in their system you may have heard of named Evan Longoria.
Prior to that season, Pedro was considered the best player in his draft class, by far. It’s roughly analogous to the Rendon situation this year (though of course Rendon was seen as a better prospect than Pedro was).
If Pedro doesn’t break his hamate bone, the Rays probably take him first overall and make him a 1B after a year or two.
by Vlad on Jul 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Make this happen, NH!
I listen to Philly sports talk radio all the time, and for whatever reason, Phillies fans are really down on Dom Brown, mostly because he’s young and they’re impatient. This would be awesome. He can make some bone-headed mistakes on occasion, but once again, he’s young and his ceiling is huge.
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What is the equivalent in our system...
Of Cosart and Singleton in the Phillies system?
Allie and Sanchez are not close
Serious overvaluing going on here.
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Most likely overvaluing Allie/Sanchez... got it.
I feel like Red Sox and Phillies have been trading away their top prospects for the past 2-3 years – we have traded any of our guys away. Are their systems THAT much better than Pittsburgh’s?
Dude, serious wanking going on here
Baseball America, Top 100 list:
39. Jonathan Singleton, 1b/of, Phillies
46. Tony Sanchez, c, Pirates
70. Jarred Cosart, rhp, Phillies
79. Stetson Allie, rhp, Pirates
So 16 total slots reflect “serious overvaluing”?
This shit is so tiresome.
that's pre-season
mid-season:
Singleton 41
Cosart 43
Allie & Sanchez not in top 50 (didn’t see top-100 for mid-season)
by insane_sanity on Jul 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Cosart's stock is not "way up"
His Ks are down, walks are up. Granted, he is young, but he’s not been anything special in the FSL this year.
that's not really what we need to match though
The Phils would be including Brown as a toss in to Cosart and Singleton. It would not be incumbent on us to match that value to obtain Brown.
I'd say . . .
Kyle McPherson and Starling Marte/Robbie Grossman.
If we do this today
Brown could simply walk across the field to our dugout and be in the lineup.
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hmm
so nutting wouldn’t even have to buy him a plane ticket to join the team… make the deal!
Instant savings!
He practically pays for himself!!!
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Why not get serious?
Would you do Taillon plus (assuming the plus is something marginal, like Marte or less) for Brown?
Why not?
I think you got consider adding d'Arnaud to be taken seriously
Right?
by RafaelBelliup on Jul 29, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not going to happen with Taillon...
Maybe if we flood the stros with Marte, Sanchez, Lincoln, Cain. Something like that might get it done. This is Brown! Be realistic…
by Joey Mooney on Jul 29, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
read the article
astros want pitching. if they wanted an outfielder (like say, marte) they’d just keep brown, who is a much higher rated prospect.
Read the article...
They want a lot of prospects… Tallion wouldn’t be included if your adding a lot….
by Joey Mooney on Jul 29, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I’m just going to wait until Sunday night before I comment anymore on trades. My new favorite day of the year is going to become August 1st at this rate…
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Coward!
Weak and uncommitted, you are.
It’s just weird to be on this side of the fence, talking about what to give up to improve now. Hopefully we’ll be doing this again next year and by 2013, we’ll all be used to it.
Agreed
It’s been a giant timesuck on my work productivity this week. Thankfully I’m in a bit of a slow time right now, or else next Monday would be a nightmare.
The Astros are desperately
in need of organizational depth. So how much painfully earned organizational depth might the Pirates be willing to part with? Further, how much would run the risk of landing the Bucs right back at the starting point — once again building up the minor leagues?
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if its depth they want, we have plenty of C/C+ prospects they can have if we in turn, get D. Brown from Philly. Id be more than happy to send them hell, 4 guys?
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lets not forget, if they are getting the phillies top 2 guys, its more than likely we wont “have to add in” our top guys. if it took idk, Lincoln, Gorkys, Lorin, Cunningham?
really the only loss i see in that is Lincoln and the potential on Cunningham, it then allows them to trade Bourn to Atl for more prospects
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I would then have to cut cunningham off the list or send them someone else lower on the prospect list, remember their already getting two big prospects from philly
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wow that would be a nice haul
for Pence, Astros get Cosart, Singleton, Lincoln, Hernandez, Cunningham and Lorin….then lets say Bourn to Atl for 2-3 prospects….thats a quick rebuild of the system right there
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Woah now, the Phillies are not giving up Brown, Singleton, and Cosart. It’s Brown or Singleton. So they’re getting one of the Phillies top two guys if they flip Brown.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 29, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
oh my interpretation of this was wrong then, i thought they offered both for Pence, were rejected, added in brown, and were told by the astros they would like to bring in a third team and flip brown elsewhere to get more prospects all while the phillies get pence…
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I don’t think he’s that good. Perhaps he’s awesome on paper, but in the ten or so games I’ve seen him in, he doesn’t impress me enough to give them Tallion or even Allie for him.
He reminds me a bit of (gulp) Milliedge.
i have seen Brown a few times; he played against Richmond here last season.
1. hes better than anyone we have in our system
2. the ball jumps off his bat
3. he runs extremely well
4. his swing is fantastic
5. he has that swag
hes very tall too. built kinda like daryl strawberry before he filled out
Obviously, who knows what's gonna happen...
but if we were to trade for Brown, we should turn right back around and trade Marte. We have a surplus of OFs, and Brown would only add to the list.
Unless management has concerns about Tabata staying healthy over the course of his career, which I wouldn’t blame them for, Cutch and Tabata are mainstays in our OF for a long time. Then (if we were able to somehow get Brown), it would be Marte, Presley and Brown fighting it out for RF. And we still have to get rid of Jones.
I don’t want to trade Marte, but obviously acquiring a prospect like Brown would change things drastically. Somebody is gonna have to go.
I love Marte, yes his SO/W ratio is bad, but he still has a .344 OBP and its still only 79ks in 383 AB in AA. This is not as much of a red flag of say a single AA player striking out 2-3 times a game. He definately needs better strike zone judgment, but he reminds me of another ultra athletic RF with a cannon of an ARM…Roberto. Does this mean we don’t trade him? No but I would think hard about trading the most athletic player the Pirates have
by Yung-Han on Jul 29, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Re: Taillon
I don’t think the Astros would look for Taillon in the deal. The entire idea behind them flipping Brown is that they want to distribute their risk between multiple prospects. As a pitcher and as a player in A-ball, Taillon is significantly riskier than Brown – that’s the opposite of the direction they’re trying to go.
Calm down folks...
…other than Vlad’s speculations, there is no word anywhere that Brown to the Pirates is even being discussed.
But then there'd be nothing to do on this forum
except stare at empty text boxes…
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just rosterbating
we need a new fanpost for the weekend on rosterbation because things are likely to explode
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It's okay
everybody does it… if they say they don’t, they’re lying.
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yeah? I wouldnt know
but imo, it should be a very private and personal thing, or at least not as public as its being done here! :D
I've done it
at least 3 times today, and once in the shower…
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Not to Be Petty
And I thank Vlad for the full post on this, but I did bring it up first over in the “Pirates Trade Failure” thread…so when we acquire Dom Brown for pitching prospects (not Taillon – c’mon) this weekend, can I at least get a little BucsDugout junior general manager credit?
It’s Friday at 4pm, I’m starving for the Pirates game tonight, and I’m in a bad mood.
Oh yeah, we’re in Philly tonight right? Come on over Domonic.
by BuccoNation15 on Jul 29, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I did bring it up first over in the "Pirates Trade Failure" thread
Sorry – I didn’t see it in that thread.
That thread was nuts anyway
Glad to discuss it here.
Well, glad except that I’ve gotten literally no work done this afternoon. Thank god the trade deadline is before work Monday. Although I suppose I’ll be talking about the aftermath all day.
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Vlad, your post is awesome, no need for a sorry. I’m just glad to see that someone was thinking along the same lines as me when I wrote it. And I agree with the other posters below, it’s really hard to find solid ideas out of 400 posts, so I’m glad you started the new one. I’m always wary of starting a FanPost now considering how many people immediately call “this should be a FanShot” – we’re all looking for the same thing, right?
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we’re all looking for the same thing, right?
Pretty much, yeah.
My general rule of thumb is that if it’s just a transmission of someone else’s reportage, it should probably be a FanShot, but if you’re adding some analysis, a FanPost is fine. Everybody’s a little different, though.
Cool
I’ll take that rule…geez, this game is terrible tonight. Following Twitter constantly for updates is about all there is to do tonight.
by BuccoNation15 on Jul 29, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe
lotsa bitching in this thread… cant wait for it to be 7:05 :-)
at this point, I m so worn out of all the speculation that I m just gonna wait till tomorrow night when the dominos start to fall
Good idea.
But man, this is exciting! We’re actually talking about ACQUIRING good players instead of SHIPPING all of our good players off for prospects to build for the future.
Fun stuff. We should play winning baseball every year!
EVERYBODY NEEDS TO STOP!!!!!
…
It’s Hammer Time!!
I haven't
read through all these comments, but Allie, Grossman, and Cain is a no-brainer for Brown.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 29, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
Throw
in Gorkys or Lincoln if that’s what it’ll take.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Before we decide that every prospect is a trade chip to contend this year. Read this
http://www.piratesprospects.com/2011/07/young-prospects-require-patience.html
HS Prospects have always been risk reward. For all we know, after 2-3 years allie could turn into a young Billy Wagner or in 2-3 years he could be out of baseball.
But Domonic Brown is also a prospect
Only a much better one than anybody in our system not who isn’t named after an Irish whiskey.
by KentuckyPirate on Jul 29, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like this thread, I wanna go back to other, more fun thread.
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Fact:
Dom Brown is made of pudding.
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I don’t want him if he’s going to be attracting all kinds of birds to the outfield. That would make Overbay’s new job as janitor much more difficult.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Jayson Stark
is on Philly sports talk radio right now… I’ll see if I can glean anything here…
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Whole lotta nothing really...
except that the 3-way deal is still in pursuit… no names or teams mentioned, though.
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Thank you for your sacrifice...I'll tear my ears off if I ever listen to Mikey Miss again
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Yeah
I have the “joy” of working at the same radio cluster as he does… Luckily, I don’t work for that station, so I don’t have to deal with him much.
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They are discussing a Dom Brown Plan B
involving the Padres, though…
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Phils would like to get bullpen help — could be Adams?
by insane_sanity on Jul 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be anybody.
Lots of arms available this year.
I’ve heard us linked to Uehara a couple of times now.
perhaps I misread...
Thought it meant the Phils were talking to the Pads about Dom Brown — know the Phils were looking for bullpen help, and that’s what brought Adams to mind.
by insane_sanity on Jul 29, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I meant
sorry, it was a bit unclear. It was a deal with the Phillies and Pads and no other teams
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Wish I could elaborate
but there was nothing else said specifically.
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Jon Morosi on twitter says
that the Pirates are active in the market for OF bats!
I love it, its a clear indication that the Bucs are keeping whatever is going on under complete wraps, and the regular sources aren’t able to get any info!
Maybe this will help:
Buster Olney (link)
As of 5:15 p.m., NL source says the Phillies have no intention of putting Domonic Brown in a deal for Pence.#trades
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Yeah, well..
Buster Olney is like, wrong, man…
:(
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Eh, who knows?
Olney is generally more reliable than Stark, but everything on Twitter is axiomatically wrong, so that kind of cancels out.
They didn't say they wouldn't put him in a different deal...
Haha, we’ll have to wait and see. If they can’t get a deal done for Pence and they get desperate, you never know.
And all of this is a moot point
Astros will get Singleton, Cosart and 2 players to be named from #Phillies for Pence. PTBN not major prospects
via Ken Rosenthal’s Twitter.
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