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Anyone who has known me for any length of time is aware that, at some point between mid-May and mid-June, I begin scouring the minors for players who I feel are being unjustly held at a level against their will (so to speak).  I am proud to say that I have managed to avoid that annual diatribe up to this point. This has partly been due to an MLB squad that has been worth following far deeper into the season.

It has also been due to a minor league season that, by and large, has featured three types of prospects: guys like McPherson, Curry and Mercer who performed at a given level and earned a subsequent promotion, guys like Chambers or Baker (A) who have either just now started to hit or just now cooled off a bit, and guys with obvious holes in their game (error prone defense, unsustainable BABIPs, ridiculous K/BB ratios, etc).

Of course, I wouldn't be making this FanPost if I hadn't finally found something to beef about, and SURELY you're all riveted and anxious to find out. Of course, that's what the jump is for!

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As I mentioned, a lot of the talent in the system has either been promoted in accordance with their production or has not produced consistently enough to advance, but there are a few notable exceptions in my opinion: Brett Lorin (A+), Robbie Grossman (A+) and (perhaps arguably) Brad Lincoln (AAA).

Lorin is the most obvious candidate for a long overdue boost. At 24, he's a little long in the tooth for high-A ball, and it certainly shows in his stat line. Lorin struggled during his first three appearances of the season, but after another strong performance last night (6IP, 3H, 0R, 5K) this is how his line has looked both early on and since those struggles:

 

IPHRERHRBBKERAWHIPK/9BB/9
First 3 outings 11 15 8 8 2 4 9 6.55 1.73 7.36 3.27
April 24 - present 86 1/3 67 31 20 3 12 79 2.08 0.92 8.24 1.25

 

As you can see, he has put up very strong numbers. Again, I can't feel too surprised at what is very quality performance given his age and level - if anyone has a good reason why Lorin shouldn't be spending August in Altoona, I would love to hear it. Pshaw to not wanting to push him too hard after an injury season, he clearly has put two and two together in Bradenton.

Next possible gripe? Robbie Grossman. I understand that much like Tabata (and Marte, and Cunningham) we are still waiting for him to find that power stroke. He also, at age 21, is not old for the level by any means. That said, I'm hard pressed to believe that Grossman has much left to demonstrate at a level below Altoona. In June and July combined, across 251 plate appearances, Robbie has posted a split line of .321/.486/.484 with 14 doubles, a triple, and five homers to go with a 0.66:1 K/BB ratio. What more does a guy need to do to get promoted when he's spent two full months getting on base in nearly half his at-bats?

Last but not least, Brad Lincoln. Since the start of last season, Lincoln has logged 202 2/3 IP at the AAA level and has posted a 3.95 ERA to go along with 7.8 K's and 2.0 BB per nine innings, 1.15 WHIP and ,240 BAA (although 15 HR in 35 starts might cause concern). Not too shabby at all, and then factor in that since May 1st, Lincoln has been even a bit better - 87 1.3 IP, 2.99 ERA, 7.4 K/9, 1.9 BB/9, and only two home runs in his last 14 starts. I know this isn't Roy Halladay we're talking about here, but with 6+ innings and three runs or less in eight of his last ten starts, he sure seems like a guy who has done what he came to do at AAA and is ready for a new challenge.

Of course, even more so than the other two, giving Lincoln a promotion means a shove off the rotation for someone. I'm of the opinion that neither Karstens, McDonald Maholm or Correia is pitching poorly enough to be the odd man out right now, so the only realistic option seems to be either swapping him with Morton (if you think a stint in AAA is worth his while) or shifting to a six-man rotation and using Lincoln as best you can to mitigate Correia and McDonald's noticeable home/road splits.

So there you have it. Let the incredibly educated and not at all troll-rific discussion that always consumes our comment treads commence! Anyone I missed? Disagree? Feel free to expound at length...y'know, within the confines of your character limit.

Poll
Which Pirates prospect do you think is currently most deserving of a promotion before season's end?
Brett Lorin
27 votes
Robbie Grossman
35 votes
Bran Lincoln
33 votes
None of the above
2 votes
Other (mention in comments)
2 votes

99 votes | Poll has closed

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since we're going over numbers...

BRETT LORIN:
     last 10 starts, a total of 53 innings pitched. easy math: thats barely 5 innings pitched per appearance. thats less than James McDonald. is it high pitch counts?

ROBBIE GROSSMAN:
    84 K’s in just over 100 games. Yes, hes improved greatly, and he still might get a call up to Altoona by the end of the season. But those K’s still dont look good in A ball.

BRAD LINCOLN:
    Correia, Maholm, Morton, Karstens, McDonald… thats why Lincoln hasnt been called up. Despite the struggles of Correia and Morton, they shouldnt be replaced in the rotation just yet. And now you have Ohlendorf almost ready to come back, which might put him ahead of Lincoln.

I agree that all 3 players are playing well, but i believe the reasons they havent been promoted yet is quite obvious.

by white angus on Jul 30, 2011 7:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Lorin

is already 40 IP over his 2010 total. I’d like to know whats going on with the innings count though, whether it is controlling them or whether he just needs too many pitches.

Grossman’s overall K rate has been coming down every season. I’d like to see how his K rate changed by month too.

by BurgherKing on Jul 30, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

K Rate

20%, 20%, 12%, 18%

BB rate – 19.1%, 11.7%, 24%, 21.9%

more importantly, i think is his ISO – .118,.100, .154, .172

angus, i think i would be much MUCH more worried about the K’s if he was in the same boat as Gorkys or Marte (70+ K’s and not even 20 walks yet on the season for both)

by geeves on Jul 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grossman

is turning himself into an elite prospect. I fully expect, because of his plate discipline, which Sickels loves, him to be a straight B if he finishes this season at the pace he’s been on this year.

He might get knocked because he’s repeating A+, but he shouldn’t because his ARL is perfectly line.

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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get all that worried about K rate

When it is accompanied by an even higher BB rate. To me, that indicates that he is seeing a lot of pitches and going deep into ABs, and Ks will inevitably result from that. Of course, I thought the same about Chambers in 2010, but Grossman has an even better K/BB ratio (84/93) than 2010 Chambers (not to mention that Chambers himself has actually had a great, legit-prospect-status-saving June/July also). Now guys like Latimore and (sorry to say this) Cunningham, with huge Ks and no BBs? That’s a different story. But I do get the feeling that the Pirates want to let Grossman spend the whole year at H-A and continue to be the best hitter in the FSL, then send him up to Altoona next year. And that’s fine with me. He’s still a top 10 prospect in the system in my book.

As for Lorin, I think they are just trying to limit his innings more than anything. He has obviously been extremely efficient, and probably deserves to go to Altoona.

by pittiful89 on Jul 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lorin and Grossman

I’ve been wondering recently if the reason these guys haven’t been promoted is because the Pirates are trying to use them as trade bait. Both of them, despite their numbers, are not very good prospects, IMO, and it would make sense for the Pirates to dangle them in trade. Letting them dominate in A ball rather than struggle in AA would make some sense in that scenario.

by epoc on Jul 30, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Grossman is 21 and would've been in the draft this year had he went to college.

The fact he doing better than holding his own in High-A suggests he is turning into a very good prospect.

Twitter: @Filar

by phyler on Jul 30, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grossman?

If he isn’t a prospect what could you get for him? However I feel he has become one of the top prospects in the organization and would very much like to see him at the next level.
The big team needs Lincoln – now!

by meandterry on Jul 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, Grossman is definitely a prospect. I just don’t think he’s a terribly good one. But I can see a team like Oakland that (over)values walks being interested in him. I daresay he might fetch a guy like Willingham all by himself.

by epoc on Jul 30, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

that would suck big time if we made that deal

by Mr. E on Jul 30, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd trade Maholm immediately and call up Lincoln.

The other two I’d let stay at their current level.

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Jul 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

trading Malholm would be worth it

if it came with a package as good as Pence’s… Not saying Houston made out like bandits, but it was a solid haul. With Lincoln and Ollie ready to return we could conceivably trade Paul and put Morton in the Pen.

Twitter: @Filar

by phyler on Jul 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Doesn’t anyone think that perhaps Maholm has figured it out? That he might be worth keeping even at market price?

by meandterry on Jul 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is nothing in his peripherals to suggest he has figured things out...

his K, BB and LD rate are virtually the same as the rest of his career and he’s benefitting from a low HR/FB ratio, higher than normal strand rate and low BABIP. That said this is pretty much the Maholm I expected to see with an above average defense behind him so if you think the defense is legit than Maholm has value going forward. I’ve always suspected Maholm could be a 3.35 – 3.45 ERA guy with an above average defense behind him.

#AllTheBuntsAreBad!

by Slick1 on Jul 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?

http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained

by Kosstic518 on Jul 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

keeping Maholm means picking up his $9.75 million option for next season. Is Maholm a good pitcher? Yeah, I have nothing against him. Do I think he’s worth paying almost 10 million next season? No.

by geeves on Jul 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

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