Trade Deadline Overflow Thread
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 8:30 AM EDT
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Keep it going here, and I'll be covering new stuff as it happens throughout the day. Also be sure to head over to SB Nation Pittsburgh, where Adam Bittner and I have been covering pretty much every little thing related to the Pirates and the trade deadline.
I know the Pirates will keep working to make more trades today, but I wonder whether we'll actually see one. The most glaring need has already been addressed. They could still use an outfielder, and I think they'll probably kick the tires on some bullpen options, and maybe a catcher or two.
UPDATE 10:18 AM: Lyle Overbay is still with the Bucs this morning.
UPDATE 11:35 AM: Ryan Ludwick apparently continues to be a possibility, and Rob Biertempfel writes that the Pirates are currently having a "closed-door meeting," presumably to discuss another trade. Side note - is it just me, or does Twitter fail to load, like, half the time, giving all kinds of "Sorry, that page doesn't exist" or "Twitter is currently over capacity" error messages? Why do people like this website?
UPDATE 11:47 AM: The reason Derrek Lee isn't reporting today is "family issues."
UPDATE 11:49 AM: Rob Biertempfel says the Pirates are primarily looking at someone else, not Ludwick, and Jon Heyman says they're asking about B.J. Upton. I would think that Upton would probably require a serious return, whereas Ludwick would not, so I think I'd almost prefer Ludwick.
UPDATE 11:51 AM: Now Biertempfel says the guy the Bucs want is Jason Kubel.
UPDATE 12:27 PM: All this stuff about Lee's reporting time strikes me as much ado about nothing. He'll join the team on Monday, and if hits, none of us will ever remember there was a problem.
UPDATE 12:38 PM: Jon Paul Morosi says the Bucs and Twins are not "in serious talks" about Jason Kubel.
UPDATE 1:04 PM: The Indians reportedly look like they're going to land Ludwick.
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I am pulling for a Correia trade...
I would like them to give Maholm a new contract after this year.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He has an option for 9 million
Many think that is good for Maholm. What if they can give him a 4 year contract worth 20 million or so? He said he would take less.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually...
with the performance bonuses in the contract…Maholm’s option, barring injury, will be $11.05M.
Yikes
I don’t want to touch that option with a ten foot pole.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
What about a 39 1/2 foot pole? Sorry, had to make the obligatory grinch joke every time there’s a reference like that one.
You're a mean one, Mr. Akshay
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Huntington could bring in two Overbays for that
with some spare change left over.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And if he brought in 2 Overbays...
he would be sent out of town on the Grinch’s sleigh.
well in Whoville they say
The Pirates grew Three Overbays that day
shudder
by 2013Pirates on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I vote we trade Correia if the price is right, because we have to get something more than just minor league fodder in return. As for Paul, he’s having his best season and probably won’t continue it next year, so as a lefty he could fetch quite a return. I’m not saying we have to deal him but if nothing else we need to look and see what people will give.
What 'bout
Trade Maholm & keep Correia? Although, if he’s willing to re-negotiate his contact (as you note below), Maholm has been a dependable innings-eater.
What does that mean?!
I'd rather hang onto Maholm...Much better across the board except wins.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
@ChristianTappe
Yeah!
Trade Lee, Overbay, Diaz and Correia for them.
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 31, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Substitute Ciriaco for Lee and I'm ok with that ...lol
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
They've already failed
and will be buried because of this trade … oh wait, that was last night’s thread wasn’t it?
What does that mean?!
I put this in a fanshot, but...
perhaps now is the time to make a deal involving KC or Karstens. The BoSox couldn’t land Harden, so why not call and offer KC, Karstens, Lincoln or Ohlie?
Lets see what the offers are.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
I'd try Karstens first because he's had the best year.
I’m not ready to give up on Lincoln yet.
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 31, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course you offer the lesser guys, but typically you have to give to get
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
I would offer rhn Morton for Reddick and Lars!
If not ask bout Gonzalez! My have to throw in Diaz.
So since Karstens is pitching today, what happens if he gets traded but is still in the game? I know other teams have pulled out their guys once they were traded but those were fielders not pitchers.
I would Shocked if they traded Karstens
Based on getting Lee..
I'd think that if they're seriously considering dealing Karstens..
He’ll be pulled from today’s start..
Actually....
I think he’d be allowed to finish pitching the game and then he would be dealt. Two years ago, Kevin Hart started a game for the Cubs and when the game was over, he was dealt.
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
I believe the decision lies with the acquiring team. Once the deal is agreed on, usually the acquiring team requests the player be removed from the game to avoid injury. Just like Ubaldo last night.
Maybe we should have a betting pool on the hour and minute of Ohferbay’s release.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
monday, august 8th. the exact minute after AP comes off the DL
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
That’s what I thought. With Ronny’s availability seemingly uncertain, they can’t send Ciriaco out, so the logical step is for Ohferbay to go now. That’s assuming Lee makes it for the game. I think he has three days to report and he didn’t exactly sound enthused about the trade.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
Hey its only
a three hour drive from NYC to Philly – and professional big leaguers probably fly.
What does that mean?!
Sure enough, Lee is not joining the Pirates today. Doesn’t seem to have Hunter Pence’s travel agent.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
What a piece of work...
…or am I reading too much into it?
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your reading too much into it.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
No you're are correctly reading into it...
his delay coupled with his comments after the trade clearly show he is not excited about coming to Pittsburgh.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
I agree
I don’t think he is thrilled about coming to Pittsburgh. While he may be an upgrade over Overbay, if his heart isn’t in the game, then it could be a moot trade.
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why not
After he’s played the last four months in Baltimore, that’s a dreg as well.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
He’s a masochist and he really enjoys when his team takes an absolute beating like they did yesterday.
What did he say
That he didn’t sound enthused about the trade. I mean he’s going from Baltimore to Pittsburgh it’s not like he’s gong from the Yankees to the A’s.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Link to his twitter comments
in other thread – was politically correct, but did sound less than enthused.
What does that mean?!
He's going from Baltimore to Pittsburgh
It’s not like he’s going from the Yanks to the A’s plus he’s going to a team that’s making things happen. I swear he better not come here and bomb because he’s having a pity party.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as the enthusiasm thing goes, he’d just gotten done getting whipped by the Yankees (17-4, I think?). Tough to muster up much enthusiasm for anything when you just took a beating like that.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, I read somewhere that he’s not a big fan of hitting in our park – which as a righty power type makes perfect sense.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Funny since
Anytime he came to PNC to play he always kicked butt so I don’t necessarily believe that comment. But what do you want NH to do we needed a cheap bat and he was it. Beltran said no and Pena isn’t available.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Lee’s numbers in PNC have actually been slightly below his overall numbers. Considering the Pirates’ pitching during that time, the park probably has hurt him a fair amount.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
I don't see him playing in our park to be a problem
He has always did well againist the Pirates in PNC from what I can remember and if he can get doubles and good line drives that’s fine with me. I don’t expect him to come in here and turn the world upside down.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he won't be facing Pirates pitching, so throw his stats from PNC out the window
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
And was being asked about it in a locker room filled with guys still stuck playing for Baltimore. What did you want him to say? “Whoo Hoo, I’m outta here suckers!”
see ya bitches iz going to a contender would be better
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
See below
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Waking up this moring
I just found out about Lee. I scrambled to see who we gave up, then thought it was a great pickup. Baker is way down the line, probably our 4th best 1st base prospect, so we gave up nothing for a good fielding 1st baseman with some pop left.
I did not want to see anyone go that could have a future and we brought in someone that will help. Still feel that we cannot make the playoffs, but this should help us stay in the race.
As we get more and more healthy, this should be a fun few weeks with our future intact.
Nice job NH
Don't pat NH on the back yet..
He has 7 hours to get Pujols, Kemp, and Verlander..
Maholm for Reddick?
That’s a move I’d be interested in seeing. Boston has seemed interested in upgrading that RF position for some reason and I’d love to go get Reddick if they aren’t interested. Perhaps if they go out and get get some for RF that frees up a trade of Reddick.
Maholm opens the door for Lincoln and adds a good, young RF who also happens to be killing the ball last I checked. Boston gets the durable, dependable Maholm to take the hill every 5th day and not have to worry about injury, status, etc. They can evaluate the contract situation at the end of the year and possibly re-negotiate with him.
Pirates may need to throw in a prospect or two, but this is the type of deal I’m hoping for today.
With what other teams have been paying, I think the BoSox would have to kick in more, not us
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Yeah good luck with that...
When your a small market team dealing with a large market team that employs one of the best GM in the league, your the one that would have to kick in more. In a perfect world I would agree with what you said but it isn’t, it’s MLB.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do you say that?
If you don’t mind me asking.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He probably thinks that you are the one that needs to offer
some support for what you wrote. Did we have to kick in something extra when we got McKenry? In the Nady deal?
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
McKenry for the Bo Sox
Wasthe equvilent of a minor league deal and for Nady we did add Damaso Marte.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that Nady was worth
Karstens, Ohly, D. Cutch and Tabata all by himself and we just had to throw in Marte as the premium a small market team must pay when dealing with a large market team.
If you have some insights into why a small market team needs to pay a premium, please share. I don’t understand why that would be.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
because big market teams can wait out a trade deadline and throw ridiculous money at a free agent to cure what ails them. Karstens and Ohly were competing for a regular spot in the Yankees’ rotation and were both considered legitimate prospects when we got them. Maybe we had to throw in Marte to get both of them.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That and
The fact from what i’ve seen over the year big market GMs like Cashman and Epstein play a little hardball when it comes to dealing away decent players and they always want to get alittle more. When dealing with guys like that you alwayshave to include alittle more than you feel that’s necessary to get a deal done.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess there is sense to the point that
a contneding small-market team on the verge of losing a key player(s) to FA might be in a poor bargaining since it would appear to be now or never for them. It seems like that poor bargaining position would apply to any team that they dealt with not just a large-market team though.
Fortunately with a young core (such as it si) we are not in that position.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we heard from the scouting reports earlier this year what the Red Sox think of Maholm’s chances of pitching in the AL….
Was there a big discussion
in either of last night’s threads about Doumit being moved to the 60-day DL (as reported in this mornings PG) to make room on the 40 man for D. Lee? Am I the only one that thinks that this spells the end of both Lyle and Ryan’s days as Pirates?
Also, knowing that we can trade Doumit while he’s injured, can the gaining team revise the decision to put him on the 60-day – meaning, can the gaining team activate him from the 60-day or are they stuck w/a potted plant?
What does that mean?!
he is now free to come off the DL, retro active to may, he is eligible to come off two days ago actually, just paper moves to make room right now while he rehabs. Lyle yes. Doumit no.
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
Okay...
Not second guessing this explanation, but neither the PG nor the Pirates transaction page lists the move as retro-active. But it was quite awhile ago that Doumit injured himself, so you’re right, his 60-day clock could be up also.
What does that mean?!
It's automatically retro active
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
+ also
Since the “Golden 1B and Blessed Savior (so much more purgatory for me) of Pirates Baseball” hasn’t been traded to Oakland – seems like Boston didn’t like Harden’s medicals – why not make a minor deal for him as well. Perhaps two pitchers on the cusp of rule 5 protection?
I’m not going to try to convince anyone that we should sell the farm to get him, but we will likely still have a gap at 1B next year and he could be a short term solution – if he plays well, he’s under team control, so its like free ice cream.
Finally, the Bosox team site seems to think his middle name is “Eric” not “F***ing” – not sure how they got that wrong.
What does that mean?!
Wow....
MLB Trade Rumours reporting Michael Bourne to Braves for 4x unnamed minor leaguers. ’Stros may have rebuilt in a hurry.
What does that mean?!
Well...
That all depends on who they get back.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said
It all depends on who comes back. But yeah you can’t go wrong with a 4 for 1 swap. There’s bound to be atleast 1-2 good players in that deal that can make an impact in the MLB level.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope you are being sarcastic because the minor leagues is filled with players who are not good enough
Like Craig Hansen, Andy LaRoche, Brandon Moss and Bryan Morris. The first three are spare and unusable parts and lthe last may make a useful reliever. So….if that is the haul the Astros took for Bourn they would have made a very bad trade.
I wasn't being scarcastic
But after seeing where these prospects ranked in the Braves system, I take back what I said.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If they’re getting four guys, and only giving up Bourn, logic would seem to dictate that none of the four are of particularly high quality.
Guess we have to wait and see.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jordan Schaefer plus three minor leaguers…southpaw Double-A starter Brett Oberholtzer (Braves #9 prospect), righty Double-A starter Paul Clemens (Braves #26), and righty Triple-A reliever Juan Abreu (Braves #27).
Jordan Schafer huh?
Always liked him.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds about right.
Oberholzer’s a pretty safe bet to be a #4 starter but doesn’t have much upside, Clemens has relatively significant upside but also higher bust potential than Oberholzer, Abreu’s an older relief prospect who’s got stuff but can’t throw strikes, and Schafer’s mostly in the deal so the Astros have somebody to start in CF for the rest of the year.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just seems like a salary dump to me when you’re trading a pretty good everyday player for a bunch of fliers and “solid” prospects.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
Sure does....
Personally, I cannot wait for the Pirates to play the Astros again. Who’s left there? Carlos Lee, Brett Wallace, Bud Norris, and um, yeah.
I wonder if this is how other teams fans felt about the Pirates at the 2009 trade deadline….
So onto my love rocket, climb, Inside tank of fuel is not fuel, but love.
by IAPiratesFan on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Or...
It could be Ed Wade isn’t a bright GM. Most Astros fans aren’t too fond of him. Plus if I was trading Bourn, I want a return and not just get rid of him for a salary dump. It could be a dump though because their new owner Jim Crane wants to cut payroll, although if they wanted to do that just dump Lee and his bloated contract that will cut payroll easily.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It could be Ed Wade isn’t a bright GM.
It could be?
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
Your mincing words WTM
Personally I don’t like Wade. People this he’s this great GM because he set the foundation for the great team the Phils have but couldn’t make it into a team until they let Wade go and replaced him with HOF Pat Gillick. He’s a old school GM who dosen’t believe in sabermetrics.
Also outside of the Pence I wasn’t impressed with the deals he made.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's going to take Lee and his "bloated contract"?
MLB deals are fully guaranteed – if they release him, they’re still on the hook for his money.
Not to mention that he has a NTC, and reportedly wants to stay in Houston because he has a ranch near there.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh I know no one will take his contract
He costs too much and he’s not the dangerous player he used to be. I was just say the new owner wants to cut payroll, there you go. Plus in the thread about that on the Astros message board lots of Astros fans were suggesting this. Also I didn’t know he had a NTC.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Given that Bourne is under team control next year...
could we have gotten him for Gorkys and a mix of pitchers? Slide him to RF, then have a Presley/Tabata/Cutch/Bourne OF rotation wouldn’t seem too shabby.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
An interesting idea if it wasn't already too late.
According to B-R Bourne was 36 runs above average on D during 2010 and 2011. It might be Cutch who would have to move off CF.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if we lose today
we won’t have a chance at the division
You don't know that
Another two months of ball to play. Just sayin
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
5 games
is a lot to make up on the brewers for a team with no offense
Your assuming the Brewers or the Cards or the Reds
Don’t go into a mini slump, plus one thing going againist the Brewers is their troubles winning outside of Miller Park. Like I said plenty of baseball to pley.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's not forget...
that no matter what happens today, we will still have more than our fair chance to win the division. We still have to play the Brewers and the Cards countless times, and we still play the Astros, Cubs and Reds a lot more, too. And the Cards and Brewers will play each other countless times down the stretch, too, with a series b/w them starting Tuesday.
Like I’ve said all along, if we can pick up another bat before the deadline and get our guys back off the DL, we will be there at the end. This is the last time all year we have to play the two best teams in the NL.
But it sure would be nice to win today.
I'd have a little more confidence if we'd been doing better against the Brewers
I think we still have 6 games left in their place, where we’ve really struggled. I guess such things have been known to turn around though.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You forgot
[/sarcasm]
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
2 tweets:
BiertempfelTrib
Lyle Overbay is in #pirates clubhouse, talked w/ Hurdle this morning. No sign yet of Lee
BiertempfelTrib
Derrek Lee will NOT join the #pirates today. He’ll join team in pittsburgh on Monday
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
And...unfortunately...
Overbay is in the starting lineup today.
A swan song win
would be nice.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Which swan song?
The one where he hits 3 HRs? Or the one where he strikes out 3 times, hits into 2 double plays and makes 3 errors?
Maybe he’ll be motivated, figuring he’s fighting for a job in AAA somewhere.
You're entitled to your own opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts.
In the few games I've seen on TV...
Overbay’s body language says he’s looking forward to retirement.
How is lee not in Philly?
It is a freaking 2 hour drive. We could really use a victory today. Something about this rubs me the wrong way.
by ryno3 on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well they were in NY. My guess would be that he asked for a day to go back to Baltimore and pack his things, etc, since he won’t be going back there anytime soon.
I guess that's possible...
since the Pirates next off day is going to be spent travelling between San Francisco and Milwaukee.
They have lackeys for that type of thing
Seriously, there are companies that exist to help players move when they’re traded. Also, he’s on a freakin’ road trip – did he leave his I-pod in B’more?
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably not his IPod...
but most of his wardrobe.
IIRC - and I think WTM pointed it out, too
He has 3 days to report.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He does...
just because he has three days doesn’t mean he needs to wait three days. Seems like Hunter Pence drove up from Houston pretty darn fast.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...
if you were Pence, wouldn’t you high-tail it, too?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
as fast as I would
if I was leaving Baltimore. Seriously, there are small, bonded companies that specialize in helping players and teams relocate during both the off-season and the season. He could get someone to feed his pooch or pick up a change of clothes and be with the Pirates today.
Maybe its nothing. Maybe he’s retiring on active duty (i.e., a bad thing when someone quits while still in the game).
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Not just 2 hours...
…it’s on the way back to Baltimore.
It might be that Lee actually has his family in New York or something, but otherwise this looks like a problem.
by sanny manguillen on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Michael Bourn trade...
probably spells the end of the Nate McLouth era in Atlanta, since Bourn will be in center and Prado will be in left when Larry Jones’ knee isn’t bothering him too much.
Safe to say
Nate’s anemic batting average earlier this year spelled the end of the McLouth era – this is just the revelation as to who is kicking him out the door.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
@BiertempfelTribRob Biertempfel
#pirates are having closed-door team meeting. There’s a sense another trade might be coming …
We're supposedly still in the hunt
For Padres RF Ryan Ludwick
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/#!/thisisdspan
An opinion very quick. This will be my last tweet for a lil bit. I want to be in a twins uniform after today and for the rest of the deal bq.
Pirates, Indians In Mix For Ryan Ludwick
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 9:54am CST]
The latest on Padres right fielder Ryan Ludwick, who is hitting .238/.301/.373 and has $2.2MM left on his contract…
As of last night, the Pirates were still in the mix for Ludwick along with the Indians, tweets Ken Rosenthal. The Pirates are still trying for Ludwick this morning, tweets Yahoo’s Tim Brown.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions
is numbers away from petco
are what makes me smile
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Although it wouldn’t really be an impact trade, Ludwick is definitely an upgrade over Jones. He can hit HRs and he is an RBI machine.
If we’re gonna have a chance to win this thing, we have to get Overbay and Jones out of the lineup. They are two HUGE holes in this lineup.
i love gfj as much as just about everybody else
but his significant drop in performance since about two weeks before the AS break tells me he just doesnt have it anymore
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Just maybe...
y’all should look at Jones’ numbers for the season and Ludwick’s? If you want to ignore his Petco #s and just go with his road numbers this season…I still couldn’t recommend Ludwick offensively.
sorry but
at this point just about anybody is an upgrade on jones. love him to death good story, just hasnt been getting it done
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing...
that Jones is past his time. Just that Ludwick doesn’t appear to be an improvement.
prime————————————————————————————————————————jones—suck
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
Ludwick has nearly 30 more RBI (64) than Jones has (37). It shows he has a knack for hitting w/ RISP. And I don’t know this to be a fact, but I would say the Padres get even less runners on base in front of Ludwick than the Pirates get on in front of Jones, who has hit anywhere from 3-6 in our lineup all year (he’s hit a handful a games in the 2 spot). If that’s true, that means Ludwick is getting few chances to drive in runs, and he’s doing it.
Is it a huge improvement over Jones? Not really, but it would definitely be an upgrade.
RBI are basically worthless as a measure of batter quality.
There’s a good case to be made for Ludwick over Jones, but RBI don’t have any part of it.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
ms isnt so much citing rbi totals
as the poster is citing is nack for getting runners home. i dont see how that doesnt apply here. to me it shows he can get hits when needed.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If he wants to demonstrate that Ludwick is better than average at driving runners home, he should take five minutes and figure out how many RBI opportunities Ludwick’s actually had, or look at his base/run state numbers, or something like that.
Raw RBI totals are worse than useless in a situation like this.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
well
i agree to a point that the risp avg is always going to be a smaller sample size but i dunno i just dont think its worthless
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
RISP #s aren’t great as a predictive tool, but they do have value in determining the past real-world value a player contributed (even if that can’t be extrapolated forward).
I’d take those over raw RBI totals, too.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
by pirateprospects
bj upton appears likely to stay put. hes bettter as winter trade anyway. #tradedeadline
yeah
we dont have the prospects or the mlb level players to deal for him. gimmie ludwick pls
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What does he give us
that we don’t already have in GI Jones and Matt Diaz?
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
look at his line
away form the hitters graveyard away from petco
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah his split is nice
but you’re right, that’s not corner outfield numbers you want to see. That being said, neither are Jones or Diaz’s numbers.
What does that mean?!
by Trogluddite on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
You've got to be kidding me with that question.
I agree that Ludwick isn’t a superstar, but he’s a much better option than Jones or Diaz. Not even close.
thats nice
is there a reason behind that or you just hate him for having a funny last name
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Id rather have Kubel to play RF
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
kubels off the market
but who to say twinkies aren’t/didn’t say that to drive the price up
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t want another .230 AVG, We have way to many below .250 and with that I have no idea how we are winning
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You're basing this on BA...really?
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Ok IMO we have NO OFFENSE… Why base it off FLD %? You have to get on base to score don’t you? That is my opinion we all have our own
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
you must be new to bucs baseball..silly
You have to get on base to score don’t you?
the lowest score wins…like golf
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I am against your opinion...BA isn't a strong stat.
There is more to a player than BA.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Its a strong stat to go along with OBP
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And X Paul, M Diaz and G Jones aren't very good, Ludwick is a better all around player
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
If it's Ludwick...
it had better be to replace Diaz. Because he’s no improvement over Jones.
His defense makes him more valuable than Jones...easily.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Also Jones could spell either Lee and Ludwick vs. tough righties
Gives Hurdle options and I think he has done well when he has options to play to their strengths.
I don't know
In 2010 and 2011 Jones WAR -0.5, Ludwick -0.9 according to B-R. Seems like a deal just to make a deal, but maybe there is a reason to believe that Ludwick will perfrom better than he has been.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
OT, but did anyone see...
the PG article on how “social media” like twitter is becoming important and that popular players have twitter accounts they use to rally the fans?
That’s why you need a big newspaper – we’d have never known that at a rinky-dink little blog this w/out them.
What does that mean?!
Seems like no one’s going to be all that happy with the whatever deal happens because either
a) We’re going to get someone like Ludwick who’s struggling and may not be any better than what we already have
or
b) Judging from what other teams are giving up we’re going to give up waaaaaay too much for a guy like Kubel or Cuddeyer.
He wouldn’t be replacing Overbay though, he’d be replacing Jones who’s been better than him this season
The more I’m looking into Ludwick the more I’m hoping he’s not the guy they’re going for.
Sure. And he’s the same on-base wise as Diaz, and much better power-wise.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Who knows?
I am betting on the unexpected trade. Over the years, most have NH’s trades have been surprises. Hopefully we get a good surprise.
I'm hoping you're right.
I’d like to see a decent shake up in this team. Over the past 2 weeks the pitching staff has fallen off slightly. The hitters were never there. I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade Mahalom/Correia/Karstens for prospects and going after Kubel/Upton. With the trade market the past 2 days, I think any of the pitchers could fetch a much better return than originally thought.
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Man Walks On Moon!
Dewey Beats Truman!
JK…we already have this up in a fan shot.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Rich Harden’s armto RedSox dealapparently ready to fall off
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I really just don't understand all this backlash
If we can upgrade with a marginal cost, why wouldn’t we? We aren’t nine games out of first. A small investment to fight for the future of this team is worth it. IF we can bring asses into seats for a fight to the finish, it can pay dividends for next year and beyond. As a fan base, we have to support this team. Now, I am not accusing anyone here of not being loyal, but for God sakes, if we can make a deal to make the team better, why wouldn’t we?
Fans are clingy complaining dip****s who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make. The sooner you tune out their shrill, tremulous voices, the better you'll be.
Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Pittsburgh Pirates and Cleveland Browns fan, so I know suffering. I truly do.
I don't notice a lot of backlash to be honest.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
give it time
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like
we are getting back into the whole sale the farm for a name. people we dont have the prospects or the mlb level players to trade for a guy like kubel,willingham,or cuddeyer. it just isnt there. thats why we picked up lee. and if we pick up another guy like ludwick it will be a good pickup simply based on d, then you get him away from petco, completely different dude. we are talking about a 40 point diff in slugging almost and a 30 point diff in ops. if it wasnt for petco his numbers would be significantly higher
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
yeah, people are acting like Ludwick is killing the ball everywhere outside of petco. He still sucks away from that park. He is an upgrade defensively, that’s it. Wouldn’t give up much for him at all, less than Aaron Baker.
by BillBraskie on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Less than Baker? What kind of offer is worth less than Baker – a broken air conditioner and two kicks in the groin?
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sorry vlad
but no one is taking a deal that involves kicks to genetalia…we gonna have to do better. just sayin
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, two kicks to the knee, and that’s my final offer.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh sure
kick an ex grunt’s knees that are already shot…whatchu think this is the 2005-2009 pirates…#fml
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't wanna hear "we don't have the prospects"
As long as the Twins or A’s aren’t asking for our top-notch guys like Taillon, Allie, Marte, Heredia or Sanchez, we have the prospects to get any of them.
It’s just a matter of wanting to do it and forking them up.
And if the Twins or A’s are asking for the top of the farm, then kudos to NH for not giving in. While Kubel, Cuddyer and Willingham are significant upgrades, they aren’t worth our elite prospects.
but thats exactly what they are oging to ask for if they arent in a salary dump mode
like the o’s
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then the Twins and A's have lost their minds...
Other than the Yanks or the Red Sox, no team is gonna give up their best of the best for these guys.
I’d give up our top five prospects for the likes of Tulowitzki, H. Ramirez, Fielder, Longoria — superstar caliber players
Not for these three guys.
thats what a sellers market is
see the pence deal
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Pence is an bonafide All-Star!
That’s what I’m saying.
Kubel and Willingham aren’t comparable to Pence. Cuddyer is the only one of that group who might be.
Pence is a guy who, up until this year, was good for a 110-ish OPS+. That’s not a superstar-level talent.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pence is an All-Star player. Period.
Willingham isn’t. Kubel is closer, but he’s not either. Cuddyer may be in the same group as he was an All-Star this year.
That’s why I say Kubel would be more realistic.
Big whoop. Mike Williams is also an “All-Star player”.
Awards don’t count for shit on the field. All that matters are runs.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what...
Mike Williams was an All Star. Ryan Sweeney was an All Star. Every team gets one.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Omar Infante and Kevin Correia were all-stars.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone named Lance Carter was an All-Star
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartela02.shtml
Let’s get him
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
@ChristianTappe
Evan Meek was a all-star
just sayin.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
point taken
maybe a better example if the krod deal
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we don't but that's not the point
The point is have the Twins and A’s been asking for these guys?
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
We won't know...
unless Neal tells us, which is unlikely.
would any negally competant guy
trade the aforementioned players for anything less?
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
my typing is horrid
would anynegallylegally competent guy
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
lolz leave it to the yanks to grab a severly overpaid pitcher
Yankees Trying For Wandy Rodriguez
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 10:33am CST]
The Yankees are trying for Astros lefty Wandy Rodriguez, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
The Astros will move Rodriguez only if they get impact prospects, tweets Rosenthal. They’d have to pay a chunk of the $38.3MM that will be owed to Rodriguez through 2014 if he exercises his player option for that season.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
His contract actually isn’t that bad. I’d take that over the deal we offered De La Rosa over the offseason (before De La Rosa got hurt, of course).
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are a few players more impotent with the bat this season than Overbay. You just found one of them.
lol
some one give that man a cookie
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes we have granted an actual franchise to Barry Bonds head
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
one would fit there for sure
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ludwick’s another guy that would probably cost next to nothing, so if he replaces Diaz, why not?
He doesn’t have great numbers, but what matters is whether he’s better than the current players. Now if you can get something better, great, but Ludwick is better than nothing.
Plus, they’d probably cover a little bit of salary.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well...
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Folks agree bj upton stays now, tho reds, pirates, indians kicking tires
3 minutes ago
There’s still a chance…?
There's always a chance...
i just wonder if Upton would cost a Top 5 prospect. I think he would.
This is just a straight up hunch, but I think NH is considering moving Marte. Maybe I’m completely off, but that’s just what I think.
I would move Marte if Upton was the return. Upton is under contract for next year, hopefully they could work something out longer than that and that would fill Marte’s spot.
Just wondering what the asking price is for Upton?
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Todd Coffey Trade Coming Soon
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 10:47am CST]
A Todd Coffey trade will be announced soon, tweets Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post. Lefty Atahualpa Severino is on call as his replacement.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
more
Rob Biertempfel BiertempfelTrib
#Pirates’ top target, with 4 hours to deadline, appears to be OF Jason Kubel
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
Yes baby YES!
As long as he doesn’t cost Taillon, Allie, Heredia or Sanchez, I’d do it. And I’d seriously consider dealing Marte if I were NH. This is a legit OF bat that we need.
And the Twins’ asking price WILL come down as the deadline gets closer and closer, although I don’t know by how much.
Am I the only one who’s in favor of this?
Pure speculation...
but I think we could get him for G. Hernandez, Locke/Morris and Lincoln.
i wouldnt deal lincoln
specially if we arent resigning paul
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’d take much more than that, especially the way the markets been. Probably would have to include Marte instead of Gorkys to being with.
Maybe so...
and that may be what a deal like this hinges on, and I’d seriously consider it if I were NH.
But like I said earlier, I also think the Twins’ asking price will come down a little, and with Kubel being a FA after this year, the Twins may not make us give up as much.
But I’m just thinking out loud
whats his contract status and will he project ase a b once the season is over if its up?
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if we do give up the players to get him...
the FO would try to re-sign him.
He’s making the same amount of money ($5.25M) as Overbay is this year. I just threw up a little bit.
We could definitely re-sign him at season’s end. It may be more in the $7-8M range, but we could do it.
i tihnk our ability to resign
coincides directly with where we sit in the standings come September
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Too right:
joe_sheehan
In all of yesterday’s activity, was there a single team that materially changed their chances with an acquisition?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
i think we did
by getting lee. but maybe im just too optimistic sometimes
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
in addition to what i posted yesterday about Lee and Pena
there’s a v decent chance that there will be zero to marginal improvement over Overbay as a result of having Lee. Add in his marked lack of enthusiasm about coming to the Pirates and I am not sure this is a good thing at all anymore.
by BurgherKing on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And you were on me yesterday?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't that you
remarking on my GIDPLee post?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
but that’s simply cuz I hate to already resign to him as GIDPLee, more of a please-let-it-not-be-so than you’re-wrong-it-is-not-so
by BurgherKing on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah.
My misinterpretation.
Thx, amigo.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
np
it hurts to think we may be replacing a LHH Overbay with an RHH one
by BurgherKing on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I truly hope he does well,
but I ain’t expecting much.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll say this...
The Pirates significantly changed their chances of getting some production from their 1B. Beyond that, I don’t know.
We significantly improved our chances of not having to watch Overbay anymore, and that’s enough for me.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s an improvement in and of itself
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
one things for sure
i’ve never had as much comic relief in the past two weeks as i have had reading the many trade threads and game thread at bd… loaded with awesome
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions
@BiertempfelTribRob Biertempfel
#pirates ARE still in play for Ludwick, but he is NOT their No. 1 OF target, source tells me
@Dejan_KovacevicDejan Kovacevic
Also, Hurdle and Overbay met this morning. Sounds like Overbay’s future with team will be determined by trade activity rest of the day.
@Dejan_KovacevicDejan Kovacevic
Lee told Hurdle he had family issues he needed to take care of immediately. Hurdle respected that.
Trade activity the rest of the day?
We already got our 1B! Get him out of town now!
Last chance:
I’m headed out to the game in about 30 minutes. My brother had to cancel at the last second. Section 416, UpperDeck…I usually stay for a few innings, then enjoy the standing room/walkways….
If you want it, it’s yours.
Santa Roberto Clemente
Ora Pro Nobis
@ChristianTappe
not in town and
you couldnt pay me to go to a philly sporting event
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Tied up today, sorry, but thanks for the offer.
by Vlad on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of getting off on the right foot...or not...
@BiertempfelTribRob Biertempfel
Privately, folks in #Pirates clubhouse are steamed DLee is taking his time getting here. Pence flew overnight across country to join Phils
course they are
they are staring sweep right in the face and everyone is tired of overbay
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Dejan_Kovacevic Dejan Kovacevic
Lee told Hurdle he had family issues he needed to take care of immediately. Hurdle respected that.
Dejan_Kovacevic Dejan Kovacevic
One player told me, regarding Lee not coming till Monday: “Love him as a player. I just hope he wants to be here.” #Pirates #MLB #Orioles
stick him in pnc witha nearly packed house and he'll want to be there
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope I'm wrong
but is anyone else getting a Raul Mondesi feeling?
christ i hope not
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Won’t matter. Mondesi signed with us at the start of the season and left 2 months later. Lee only has 2 months on his contract, so if he finds he doesn’t like playing for us all he has to do is wait out 2 months(which I would think would be better with a contender like the Bucs rather than a non-contender like Baltimore) and then find a new place to play.
I mean I know people have always not wanted to come here
but we’re in a division race and Baltimore has been awful. How is that not a step up this year?
Always?
Even when we were good or just since 1993?
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
op prolly ment Not always,
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...I hate the Pgh media...only negative spins get ink
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
sounds like fox news
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee isn't nearly good enough at this point in his career
to be thinking like that
I don't see why he wouldn't want to be here
Espically since he’s been playing for Baltimore this year. It’s not like he’s a yankee getting shipped off to KC.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
think about it
for this guys ENTIRE career we have sucked…bad. a above 500 record wont change that but once he gets in the clubhouse ch will set him straight
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But were doing well this year for our standards and having him come here while that’s all going on and playing in front of packed houses, that should change things atleast for 2011.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure this dude wants to win right now
he’s long in the tooth, his palying days are numbered.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Were trying our best to be competitive
We just don’t have all the pieces. The more I think about this the more I wish Neal would of found someone else because now I have a feeling this guy is going to come in here and be a crybaby because he’s a Pirate and not a Sox. The players got a right to be stramed.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If we limited ourselves
to players who had known the Pirates to be a winning team during their MLB careers we’d be pretty damn limited. Tim Wakefield and…
Castillo?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Stairs
Turns out he debuted in 1992. For Les Expos!
Well as improved as they’ve been this year, I’m sure the majority of MLB players still consider the Pirates the dregs of the league.
More of a dreg than Baltimore? Please
We been trying to change our image of that, it’s just something that can’t be done overnight. Plus if Lee pissed about coming here that’s not fair to management, the fans and the players that have been busting their hump to get to where they have been. I juat hope morale dosen’t sink because of this.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
how convenient
just happened to have family issues the day of the trade huh?
by dulciusXasperis on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Across the country?
The Astros were in Wisconsin. He flew to Pennslyvania.
Why doesn’t Biertempfel exaggerate a little bit?
Yeah, I know...
but leave it to the media to put a spin on it like this. I understand the Pirates traded for him and want him in the lineup ASAP, but he’s a 36-year-old with a family he has to think about first.
If he were gonna take 3 or 4 days, then yeah, that would have to be seriously questioned. But the guy was literally traded 12 hours ago, maybe less than that. And because he’s not their as soon as the trade is made, people question whether he wants to be here? Geez.
he left out
beause they have to deal with overbay
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by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fully agree. No clue where his family’s living now, but if they’re still in Chicago then he likely only gets to see them when they play the White Sox or get a day off. Since the Bucs only have 1 off day the next month and that’s going to be spent traveling from SF to Milwaukee, he should be given the chance to go see them once and make sure they know what’s going on before joining the team.
Eh, that’s not so bad actually. He’s not throwing confetti or doing cartwheels, but under-reaction doesn’t necessarily entail lack of enthusiasm.
can't remember which writer said it
but there was a comment that that article doesn’t portray the quotes as bad as they sounded….i’m looking for it now
it was pirateprospects
That article doesn’t make the quotes sound as bad as they do when you just hear them by themselves.
He signed a one-year $7.25 million deal with the Orioles this offseason.
"I knew coming into the year there was a pretty good chance I wasn’t going to finish it here," Lee said. "So, I understood all of it."
Translation: I get paid.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people think that the country still ends at the Mississippi River
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
MANIFEST DESTINY!!!!!!!
Go west young man!
Here's hoping
Bob Walk takes a few minutes to explain this to us today/
LangoschMLB Jenifer Langosch
#Pirates are continuing to look for pitching today, though offense remains priority. #tradedeadline
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
For
the record..
Kubel is a type B free-agent right on the cusp of type A status. I’m not sure about how willing he’d be to accept arbitration, but I’d have to think he’d want a bit more cash and a long-term deal.
Likewise, looks like the Yankees are going after Wandy, as seen above.
Finally, seems the most likely landing place for Health Bell is St. Louis. I’d love for them to give up a decent bit of their farm for Bell (Tyrell Jenkins perhaps). Might make it harder on us the rest of the way, but I’m all for teams in the NL central mortgaging their future.
On that note, considering their haul from the Pence deal (which I liked), I thought their return for Bourn was poor, so what could have become a solid farm system down in Houston still only looks decent.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
To
further explain how Astros fans feel about the Bourn deal. From the main article over at crawfishboxes.com, front page.
Since I’ve now lost all objectivity, let’s throw it to you guys and gals. Is this the worst trade Ed Wade has pulled off with the Astros? Is this one of the worst five trades in the past 10 years for the franchise? Can I be any more over-the-top? (Yes, yes and yes are my answers).
and
The Astros got a terrible deal here. Terrible.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree.
The Braves stole candy from a baby. Bourne is one of if not the best leadoff hitter in this league, and the Braves didn’t have to give up ANY of their elite prospects like Teheran or Minor.
If I were the Astros, I would’ve asked for at least one of those. If they aren’t willing to do it, don’t make the deal.
However, I can at least understand what Wade was thinking. He has a severely depleted farm system, and the Braves offered him four prospects for one player. As far as quantity goes, I can understand the deal some. But I still don’t think the Astros got enough in terms of quality.
he (wade) was told to trim 40 mil from the payroll, at this point he's out of options
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're gonna trade Bourne instead of Carlos Lee?
If you have to cut some payroll, Lee would be the first out the door.
I’d trade Lee and his $18M contract or whatever it is for some cupcakes. Because I like cupcakes!
I believe Lee has a NTC.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
astro's fans are about
to straight loose their minds
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
With Kubel it wouldn't be a bad thing for us if he accepted arbitration though I doubt that he would.
by WestCoastBuc on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
be great if he plays really well after coming over to the NL, we offer him arb, he turns it down, and they grandfather compensation picks, and we get two from him next year and maybe one from Lee.
Can y’all imagine Neal Huntington with 3 extra picks in the first top 100 picks or so.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this is why i think trading a few midgrade but keeping lincoln off that trade list is a good idea
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
this is BS
just seems way to convenient that he has “family issues” the moment he’s traded.
by dulciusXasperis on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it doesn’t. I would think that the family issues are simply that he wants to go home, make sure his family’s taken care of, etc, before coming to Pittsburgh. Once he comes here, we won’t have a day off for another 2 weeks, and that’s going to be spent traveling from SF to Milwaukee, so he won’t be able to see them for essentially a month. I’m more than willing to cut him some slack to make sure his family knows what’s going on, etc, before joining the team.
I
honestly can’t imagine he’d rather be in Baltimore the rest of the year over Pittsburgh though. Eh, we’ll see.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
me either
at least he’s playing for something here. I mean what is he doing? Does he want a couple days off?
by dulciusXasperis on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
form langosch's blog
"I respect his decision," Hurdle said. "I don’t try to figure all that out and speculate. He’ll get here when he’s ready to go. He wants to get here sooner rather than later."
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
perfect answer
he’s not gonna create bad blood over something like this….
But everyone is still thinking about it.
by dulciusXasperis on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that really narrows down the trade targets
by nagihcimwolves50 on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Langosch:
First baseman Derrek Lee did not travel to Philadelphia on Sunday to be with the Pirates for their series finale against the Phillies. Lee talked with manager Clint Hurdle on Saturday night — after the deal became official — and told Hurdle that he needed to travel from New York back to Baltimore to take care of some things with his family.
He is expected to be in uniform for the Pirates’ series opener against the Cubs on Monday.
"I respect his decision," Hurdle said. "I don’t try to figure all that out and speculate. He’ll get here when he’s ready to go. He wants to get here sooner rather than later."
prolly cause
i linked it in about two or three comments up
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Eerily quiet right now
Not seeing much from anyone
Afternoon folks...
Knowing NH, my bet is Bucs end up with a name we haven’t heard yet by the end of the day.
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by Adam Bittner on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
I have been thinking the same thing the whole time
Mark Texiera?
LOL
Well, actually, Hank, I'm not ready for some football. We're in a pennant race here.
Pittsburgh Pirates and Cleveland Browns fan, so I know suffering. I truly do.
by ytownbucsfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Barry Bonds……it would fit this year in Pittsburgh sports…..Jagr screws the Pens, Burress teases the Steelers….
yeah really
why we havent traded hauge for albert is beyond me
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You can throw in Ciriaco and Kawika Emsley-Pai. It’s three for one!
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Burress
still ours?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no he went back to the giants
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets.
But I meant the non-convict one.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, woops, completely forgot about Brian
trying to juggle NFL and MLB….not used to having to do that at this time of the year
Some guy on the fan about 20 minutes ago: Tabata for Matt Kemp. He says the Dodgers would do it because they’re in financial trouble
it is seriously so funny to listen to these callers’ trade proposals
by TheLizardKing on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of them are less funny, more angering, like the one radio host a couple weeks ago suggesting Marte, Sanchez and Allie for Pence.
there was a moron yesterday
on 93.7 talking about how the Pirates should sell lots of prospects. After all, if selling all the prospects for 1 or 2 players works for Philly, it’s guaranteed to work for us!
by 2013Pirates on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, actually, Hank, I'm not ready for some football. We're in a pennant race here.
Pittsburgh Pirates and Cleveland Browns fan, so I know suffering. I truly do.
by ytownbucsfan on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When posting big pictures (large bandwidth)
can you please put a few words in the subject line, so people can minimize the post?
Easier for people on mobile devices.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
NH has not yet
Disappointed me at the trade deadline. The man is pretty good when it comes to this stuff. Let’s have a little faith…at least until 4 PM.
Derek Lee
must have watched that Seinfeld episode when Kramer talks Jerry into wearing the fluffy shirt on T.V. Kramer says “you’ll look like a Pirate”. ………. to which Jerry (Derek) responds…“I don’t wanna be a Pirate”!!!
by Chucksberries on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
lol rec worthy
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Derrek, not Derek or anyo fthe others incorrect spellings I've seen.
Sorry, I’m on a quest to keep Buccos fans from going all Nate McClouth on Derek Lee’s first name.
Even ESPN botched it last night.
Andrew McCutcheon approves of your quest.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so people are aware here that...
Lee does have legitimate family concerns…you might want to read this 2007 story.
just now:
LangoschMLB
#Pirates Matt Diaz on Derrek Lee: “Knowing what a family guy he is, I had a feeling he probably would not be here today.” No hard feelings.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
She was misdiagnosed http://tinyurl.com/3bslbcf
But i still think that a 35 year old with a family should be given a day to see them. He won’t be back until September at the earliest.
For anyone here bitching about Derek Lee not being with the team
Wonderful piece from 2007 by @JCrascnick on Derrek Lee’s daughter and retinal disease: http://t.co/HwAb98E … Take a deep breath, people.
Boom. DK’d.
DK
was adding fuel to the fire no more than an hour ago.
Okay?
Even if he was, I’m sure he was pointed to this article I’m sure it changed his perspective.
by Zach Buccos on Jul 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, people are forgetting this big difference between Derek Lee and Hunter Pence
Pence is 27 years old with a girlfriend
Derek Lee is 35 years old with a wife a multiple children
by Zach Buccos on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Also on a side note
Pence’s gf I believe is a cheerleader for the NFL Houston Texans.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feel bad
You didn’t know. I didn’t know either.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Na, I'm still gonna' list it as a (hopefully very) small concern....
He had to take care of some things with his family? Did the Orioles give him off today so he wouldn’t be at their game today? Probably not.
The Orioles were then scheduled to go on a road trip to KC – so he was going to be away from home anyway (although he had a long homestand following that).
Again, when you’re in a profession where one spouse moves a lot, families adapt to that. It’s unlikely that he’s going to uproot his entire family for his two month stint in P’burgh, so its not like he has to go home and sell the house. Also, having the wife at home makes it easier to coordinate anything he needs routed to P’burgh.
Obviously, none of this applies in a situation where his children or wife have an emergency, but that’s not what he invoked when delaying his arrival.
What does that mean?!
LangoschMLB Jenifer Langosch
#Pirates Matt Diaz on Derrek Lee: “Knowing what a family guy he is, I had a feeling he probably would not be here today.” No hard feelings.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
Morosi
Source: No serious talks now between #Pirates and #Twins on Jason Kubel.
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i'm feeling ryan ludwick
also i heard the pirates are looking at blcoked prospects in AA and AAA s
age of last winning season: 5
seriously though
seeing as the phils just demoted dom brown to AAA, he would qualify here.
i can dream right?
I do
wonder if the Phillies would be willing to move Brown to replenish the system a bit considering they
(a) now have Pence
(b) had to give up some good prospects in exchange for Pence.
Ruben Amaro (Phillies GM) has done it before with Hallday and Lee, although it wasn’t really the same situation.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Biertempfel's blog...
indicated that a decision would be made on Cedeno before tomorrow’s game. Either he’s healthy enough to play, or he goes on the DL, says Hurdle. Sounds like he will be available to play tomorrow.
Someone going on the DL may be the only way for Overbay to stay on the roster after today.
JonathanMayoB3
@pikehuey3 I think they’re still kicking the tires on all bats like that, but not sure what asking price is. Pirates won’t sell the farm.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
And Scott McCauley...
reports that all Indy players are accounted for. No players heading to Pittsburgh, or anywhere else…at least not yet.
We might see a blocked guy at a AAA level traded for to help out the major league team
age of last winning season: 5
For all intensive purposes, Derek Lee seemed to be like a spectacular human being
He is most definitely a guy that I want to be a member of this team, and really hope he can do big things to help us. I was just reading that despite the fact that his daughter misdiagnosed in 2007, he still helped fight the cause and was a champion for research for the cure. That my friends, is a spectacular dude.
"For all intensive purposes,"
You meant “For all intents and purposes…” right?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I
used to think it was intensive, but it is in fact.. “all intents and purposes.”
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
now where's that sarcasm tag...
//sarcasm
there it is.
Coming from someone at Yahoo, so question it's truth:
TBrownYahoo
Cleveland getting close on deal for Ludwick. Deal not complete yet, according to source.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
cle really going all in
they have been obnoxiously active…right up there with the phillies and braves
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If
they get Ludwick, they definitely sold their farm the most.
Fukodome
Jiminez
Ludwick
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Today's line up
Paul LF
Jones RF
McCutchen CF
Walker 2B
Alvarez 3B
Overbay 1B
Wood SS
Fryer C
Karstens P
Showcasing Overbay. Let’s hope he pulls a Ryan Howard and goes 4-for-4 with a couple extra base hits. lol
Don't know why
Ciriaco isn’t playing…
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather see walker 2nd and jones 4th...
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There will be a gamethread up 10 minutes before the game. Wonder which event will get more comments.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Damon will be a Bucco by the deadline...book it
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
or don't, it could be true or not
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Funny thing
Yankees asking the Astros to pay almost all of Wandy Rodriguez’s contract in any deal. Ha ha ha ha
I wouldn’t do the deal with the Yankees based just on that alone.
It’s their fault the price tag on these players is so high to begin with.
No salary relief for the Spankees!!!
Which normally be good for the Astros
as they could demand better prospects. But the Yanks probably don’t want to go even further over the luxury tax limit.
What does that mean?!
One of the blocked first basemen for the Diamondbacks...
Brandon Allen, just went to Oakland in a trade for reliever Brad Ziegler.
apparently 1Bs with major K issues are the new trade targets
first Davis, now Brandon Allen and a reliever to oakland for brad ziegler
5th year
without a chance of playing MLB ball for any length of time.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
but he is getting paid to play baseball – he might be onto something there.
What does that mean?!
So is Lyle Overbay.
What’s your point?
;-)
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
still cant handle a bat i suppose not having presley leading off SUCKS
age of last winning season: 5
Considering it's 15 minutes prior to gametime...
SOMEONE should be warming up, unless it’s being done under the stands.
He was just shown on ROOT walking around
What are you talking about.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Sure.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Hmm…weather forecast in Philly shows no rain, so it’s not being delayed. Not sure why he wouldn’t be out there already, unless he’s trying to stay in the shade and avoid the 90deg heat there as long as possible. If he were in trade talks I think we would’ve heard about it by now.
Appreciate
the information. I actually wouldn’t mind selling high.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
He can come off any time.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i think they wanted ludwick and the doosh indians probibly over paying for him
age of last winning season: 5
One thing to DL's credit...
…he took calls from fans on that show until pretty close to the end. Unless he’s started recently, NH doesn’t do that.
by sanny manguillen on Jul 31, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Huntington
Also said on his show we don’t feel we over value our prospects, but perhaps we undervalue two months of a player in return.
Interesting take. Nice spin.
Nice spin maybe...
but is exactly what I wanted to hear. The half season “rental” almost always ends up being a loser for the acquiring team.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
When it comes to the top prospects, I’m with ya. A deal like yesterday isn’t bad. I doubt Baker would have ever hit the 40 man roster. Not with three other minor league first basemen in the system doing better.
That's pretty much what I meant...
I would never give up top prospects for a half season rental.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Ian Stewart in play...
I don’t want him, just reporting.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Question for everyone; I just saw this quote on my twitter feed:
Despite all the reporting, no deal has been reached, there are still impt issues to work out, and a lot of bad info is floating out there
What is it about?
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