MLB Trade Rumors: Pirates Acquire Ryan Ludwick For PTBNL
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT
Email
PrintNot much news here right now. It looks likely that the Indians will get Ryan Ludwick, and the Pirates either are or are not in on Jason Kubel, depending on who you believe.
You can use this as a new open thread for the deadline. The game thread is below.
UPDATE 1:33 PM: The Twins won't deal Kubel, Jon Paul Morosi writes.
UPDATE 1:36 PM: Morosi now writes that the Pirates could go hard after B.J. Upton.
UPDATE 1:42 PM: Chris Iannetta is out of the Rockies' lineup even though he was supposed to start today. There were rumors connecting him to the Pirates a couple weeks ago.
UPDATE 2:01 PM: The Pirates are now being connected to Omar Infante of the Marlins for some reason. He's an average to below-average defender in the middle infield, and has a history of hitting a little bit, although he hasn't done so this year. I imagine the Pirates would want him only if he's cheap, and they'd use him as a super-utilityman. Tim points out that he could be a Type B free agent, which would mean the Pirates could get a supplemental pick.
UPDATE 2:19 PM: Morosi now writes that Upton might not be traded at all.
UPDATE 2:30 PM: Not so fast with Ludwick to the Indians, Jonathan Mayo says, although if the Padres are asking too much of the team that just traded two of its last three first-round picks, I doubt the Pirates will get him either.
UPDATE 2:35 PM: The Padres just got two very good pitching prospects in Robert Erlin and Joseph Wieland for Mike Adams. I kind of hope the Pirates are listening to offers for relievers right now.
UPDATE 2:49 PM: The Indians are apparently near a deal for Wandy Rodriguez. They're really going for it.
UPDATE 3:12 PM: The Pirates are supposedly "back in" the Ryan Ludwick sweepstakes.
UPDATE 3:24 PM: The Bucs are about to acquire Ryan Ludwick, Jon Paul Morosi reports. I would be happy with this as long as the return is insignificant. Ludwick can play the backup outfielder role much better than Matt Diaz, and he'll benefit from leaving PETCO behind. He's also a good defensive player.
UPDATE 3:54 PM: The Pirates and Padres are "finalizing" the Ludwick trade, Morosi says. No word yet on the return.
UPDATE 3:56 PM: It's a player to be named for Ludwick, and it's complete. The fact that it's a PTBNL indicates that this was mostly about dumping salary for the Padres. If that's the case, good move by the Bucs.
462 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Yeah I like him over Ludwick
And more importantly to shut up the guys on espn!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kubel has a .369 BABIP and shitty defense
I want absolutely no part of him.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
How is that trolling, I'd rather play Jones from here on out
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
That’s no reason to call someone a troll. Kubel isn’t someone everyone needs to want, he isn’t an objectively great acquisition. I don’t want him at all either, I would take DeJesus a thousand times over.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kosstic isn't a troll...
he just has a very strong believe in SABR metrics and in which direction the organization should be taken. He’s been very consistent all season that he felt the Pirates should be sellers so it’s no surprise he feels the same now. As a believer in SABR metrics is well Kubel is not going to be a savior. He’s had some nice offensive seasons in the past but historically is a terrible defender and injury prone. The guys has only had one season where he accumulated a decent WAR and that was only 2.7. This year is offense is primarily driven by his BABIP but more importantly a lot of Kubel’s value is in his power and right now he’s carrying an ISO of .158. That said he would provide the team with some offensive punch and would be a Type B so I wouldn’t mind the pickup if the cost wasn’t too significant. He’s probably a slight upgrade over Jones.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
+1
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
I'm
down with the selling.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially because team are paying stupid prices this year to acquire overvalued talent.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
So, in response to you, Charlie...
who is saying that the Pirates are serious contenders for Kubel? Hadn’t seen that anywhere.
Biertempfel said about an hour ago that the Pirates’ top target was Kubel. I guess that’s not exactly the same thing, but that’s what I was referring to.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Only normal starter I don't see in Altoona's lineup...
is Brock Holt.
Morosi
Reporting Twins making strongest statement yet that they will not deal Kubel. Also Twins doubt the Span/Storen deal gets done.
Do we go after Span?
You willing to give up Hammer??
Because Storen is the Nats closer, and apparently the Twins are looking for a closer. We can assume that the Twins would want similar player.
No
If the FO is going to make a play at the NL Central, we need a lights-out closer.
The Hammer is that closer.
If we are going to let it go…trade Hanrahan and stock up.
by insane_sanity on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
damnit
Brandon Allen to the A’s in the Ziegler trade — would have loved to see him get a chance with us this/next year.
He has a serious K problem, interesting player, I probably would have moved Ziegler for him too.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
I agree
I’ll take 150-180+ks for his power potential — we’ve got the K’s in our lineup now, without the power.
by insane_sanity on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Padres hold firm on Bell and Adams...
…I wonder if Resop or Veras come into play as fall backs.
Blogger formerly known as fugimaster24
SB Nation Pittsburgh, Daily Collegian Sports, BT Powerhouse, @fugimaster24
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
one of them
is absolutely going to go… (Bell or Adams, I mean)… it would be beyond crazy to hold on to those guys unless seriously lowballed
Upton
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
If Kubel is truly out of play, then I anticipate #Pirates to make a serious bid for Upton. #Rays
WOW
I'm not giving up on Kubel
There’s so much posturing at this stage in the game that I think things are leaked purely to tick off the other guy.
Blogger formerly known as fugimaster24
SB Nation Pittsburgh, Daily Collegian Sports, BT Powerhouse, @fugimaster24
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
by Adam Bittner on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Bucs no that to. That’s why they will make a play for Upton. Let the Twinkies know they are serious.
yes
the Twins have bullpen issues — can they honestly NOT make a move to sure up their bullpen?
by insane_sanity on Jul 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Mitch Williams is the WORST analyst...
His Quade rant was unfair at best, character assassination at worst.
Said since Quade didn’t play above AA, he couldn’t get respect of players….what a jerk.
It doesn’t cost a thing to believe and the payoff on a winner is huge!
Curious who NH like in the AAA level...
There is a guy named Thrilledge there!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t give up Taillon/Allie/Tabata for BJ Upton…
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would think Marte would be the center piece going back. I would think maybe Marte plus Wilson/Locke and 2 C prospects?
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
And I’ve heard many people say that Upton’s career would take off with a change of scenery. Don’t know how they know that, but maybe they have a hint of what’s going on behind closed doors there in Tampa.
The only thing I can remember is earlier in the year when he didn’t run out a fly ball or something and was benched. We saw a similar thing with Cutch this year too. Hurdle (and niether does Maddon) doesn’t stand for lack of hustle and I think he could benefit from coming to Pittsburgh and being more of a supplimental player. In Tampa it’s him and Longoria. I don’t necessarily think he’s that type of player, but you would hope he could be a nice addition to Cutch, Walker and Alvarez.
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't give up Marte, Sanchez or Herridia either for a half season of Upton...
After that I’m open.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
And probably at worst a Type B
That said I wouldn’t give a boat for him.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Wonder what the asking price on Upton would be...
Tough to tell with a team like the Rays..
Chris Ianetta not in lineup for Rockies...
supposedly he was in original starting lineup. Toronto, Cleveland and Pirates were supposedly looking at him.
Allie or Marte would be gone for BJ
And I would be all for that!If it is one of them!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, they should not give up both for Upton. Still a gamble even giving up one of them plus other prospects.
They still got cole Taillon and heredia.
Marte im not convinced on but I do like him more than Gorky. We lack positional player depth.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ubaldo? Pence?
Ubaldo actually started the game last night hours after rumors of him to the Indians began…Pence went into the 5th inning on Friday with same thing. Still could happen – let’s wait and see – hey, at least it’s an exciting day.
by BuccoNation15 on Jul 31, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
a deal for Upton wouldn’t be made until the last minute of the 4 pm ET deadline. The Rays may actually finish their game today before Upton is traded (and if he’s traded).
Not a big deal.
Extremely unlikely....
Rays game doesn’t even start until after the deadline, they are in Seattle.
BTW...Doumit not starting for Indy today...
but that was the plan all along, for him to be a PH today.
Not BJ's biggest fan...
but watching Xavier Paul out there everyday is making me sick.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
He should be gone before August ends.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
That would be even better but I feel like he isn't going anywhere until Tabata or Presley gets back.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Melvin Emanuel Upton
is his given name… wonder where there “B.J.” comes from? … or shouldn’t I ask?
by Captain Easychord on Jul 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
Don't Ask
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Hahaha… easychord… it stands for “Bossman Jr.” And no im not kidding
by TheLizardKing on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry thunder… posting on a mobile device and didn’t see ur comment
by TheLizardKing on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
For a while, he drove a truck while accompanied by a chimp.
by Aphthakid on Jul 31, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Don't worry Cap'n...
if the Pirates were to trade for Upton, we’d hear the story on the origins of his name…about 90,000 times.
Marte could hit at least .230 with great defense for 6 2/3 years instead of 1 1/3. That’s my biggest issue there…
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
Not sure Marte will be better than Upton but the years of control more than make up for any difference.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Interesting note
Marte currently has the lowest BB% and K% of his career, albeit marginally.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
this
surprised to see you guys in particular base much on BA
Upton also has a 24.8% career K%
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Right, but why include Marte plus 1-3 other pieces who will all most likely have 6 2/3 years on control for a guy with 1 1/3 who isn't that good?
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
His split was the other way last year
I think its an fluke.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
As well as the other way in 2009 and 2008.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Don’t you think Upton could become a piece of the future? I would love to see an outfield of Cutch, Tabata and Upton for years to come.
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There is probably a fairly wide range of outcomes for Marte, he's 22.5 years old and still has a decent amount of development ahead of him.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
My theory is always a prospect is just that until he’s proven himself. Marte could well turn out to be a great outfielder, only time will tell. But I think (from most reports) his ceiling is about what Upton is now.
by StripesForLife on Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
people seem to forget that ALL of Upton’s value is tied to his ability to play CF and I don’t think the Pirates are willing to move Cutch. Two of Upton’s last three season have been below average offensively and last year he was average. He’s likely a 2-3 WAR player as a corner OF at best. Hell I’m not sure that at this point he is an upgrade over Presley or healthy Tabata. I definitely wouldn’t include Marte in a deal. I’d be open to making Sanchez a centerpiece only if our scouts think they see something in his swing that’s correctable.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
+1
I’m still scared about our catching depth though long-run.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Come On
Upton is an above average offensive player and his defense is an asset no matter where he plays. He would cover a lot of ground in LF at PNC.
Okay, but his bat is relatively worse for the position average player.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Serously if they gove up a top prospect for Upton
I will flip.. upton sux
Not sure what you mean by this
But overall he is a good player because of the combination of offensive and defensive value he provides.
Just looking at his numbers man...
yeah his defense will play anywhere but his offense is worse than Tabata’s, worse than Pressley’s, and clsoe to Jones. I wouldn’t give up a lot of talent for that type of player unless I had a pretty good idea I could turn him around. JMO.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
And I disagree strongly that he is an above average offensive player...
wOBA by season the last three years:
2011 – .317 (101 wRC+)
2010 – .337 (111 wRC+)
2009 – .310 (86 wRC+)
I think you could make the argument that overall he is average offensively, at best.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
+1
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Tabata, albeit in a way smaller sample size, is 104, and is still developing and improving.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Yeah, I am not saying sale the farm to get BJ Upton, but he is a pretty decent player, I think people here are underrsting him because of a low batting average.
This is all I'm saying.
I said I’d be open to including Sanchez as a centerpiece but not Marte. I don’t know if that would get it done. For me a lot of it depends on scouting. His career 107 wRC+ is driven largely by two very good seasons over four years ago. So the question is does the front office believe there still some upside in there or has he peaked already?
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
i dont buy anything at all on Pirates rumors
its pretty clear to me that no one has a good link inside the FO, and they are all over the place.
Why is everyone scared to give up prospects for BJ?
If he comes in and finishes strong with Lee they make a great push for the division. Next year if the Pirates are out of the race trade him at the deadline for prospects. Evens back up. What if he has a big year next year and being in the NL helps him? Good gamble!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 2:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
because
Upton plays at half effort, whenever he can, except on random days when he feels like giving it everything
And you know this how?
A mind reader, perhaps? Or maybe just something you heard from a lazy, know nothing sportswriter?
eh i could be wrong
but i remember having heard this during the Rays up years - there was a flare up, iirc, between Longoria and Upton which led to some articles. Dont know who the lazy sportswriter u r referring to is- who is it?
Well good!
Maybe someone here sets him straight and that means all his production numbers double cause he now wants to play all the time!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What IF he doesn't
Speculation goes both ways.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
All this Upton arguements
are gunna go for not, theres no way we get him ,and no chance NH gives up alot of prospects for anybody.
age of last winning season: 5
THIS
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 31, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Infante's OBP is driven almost entirely by his BA,
and his BABIP is 20 points lower than his career numbers. I think he’s getting unlucky, but I don’t know if moving to PNC will help his luck
I haven't heard any relief talk... hmmmm.
I’m fine with the current, but it sure would be nice to have a good shut down set up guy.
pirates and rays have made three trades ever
Virgil Vazquez for a PTBNL – no indication who (if anyone) was received
Jesse Chavez for Aki Iwamura
Jose Guillen and Jeff Sparks for Joe Oliver and Humberto Cota
by Captain Easychord on Jul 31, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
I was watching ESPN Baseball Tonight about an hour ago
They said the Pirates are done looking at bats since they got Lee and will move on all day with bullpen talks.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
And yet...
Morosi just tweeted we are looking into several bats…including Infante.
Also NH said on his radio show they were still looking for additional offense.
I guess Buster Olney and co are wrong
IDK, i’m just posting what I heard on TV.
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
We better.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
It’s almost impossible to get an efficient player at a decent price…Blame the sellers.
"It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win"
by Elektrostal_Kid on Jul 31, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this has been a rather slow deadline hasnt it?
Ubaldo was a big one yesterday, I guess, but thats about it?
Pieces
starting to fall.. Pence, Bourn, Ubaldo, now Bell..
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Reds
catching prospect Mesoraco is out of the line-up today.
Potentially a James Shields going down. I’d love to see the Reds sell a big piece of their farm for Shields.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
+2341234
That would be a poor idea for the Reds, I hope they put together a huge package for him.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Ugh
Wonder if he or Feliz will close. Could screw my fantasy team big-time. For that purpose I’d rather see him go to the Cards. More importantly I’d love to see the Cards give up something good for Bell.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta be bell
if all you want is a setup guy, you can get one cheaper than bell
Naw
no way. I bet it’s Joe Weiland, Robbie Ross, Robbie Erlin.. maybe two of those guys.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If
it’s Profar.. I will be ABSOLUTELY furious. Just wanted that noted.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I
bet it’s actually just one of them, and a 15-20 type prospect. I probably wouldn’t though. Hanny has controlled years left.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pirates need an outfielder!
Tabata is hurt and xp is not that good. Get something that is an upgrade.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 2:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
makes sense
after trading b. allen and making my fantasy acquisition of him and domonic brown look worse and worse as the weekend goes on.
Perfect time...
to gauge interest in Hanrahan. A team like the Yankees may get desperate and give up a couple top guys for him.
ETHAN MARTIN!!!!
He’s not good and has an awful salary.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Big rh bat who can play RF
probably could be had for a song and some salary relief
no trade clause makes sense though
But you’re still missing the part where he isn’t good at baseball. And I think he makes something like 18 million. His power numbers aren’t even that good. And he only nominally plays the outfield, he can’t actually get to anything.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No
trade clause. Albatross of a contract. Not very good.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
pgammoPeter Gammons
Robby Erlin and Joe Wielsnd for Bell is what Pads wanted all along
Pretty good haul for the Pads.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
HAHA
I called that shit.
no way. I bet it’s Joe Weiland, Robbie Ross, Robbie Erlin.. maybe two of those guys.
Btw, BK, I meant two of those three guys all along, not all 3.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't
call it.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hehe
bet it’s actually just one of them, and a 15-20 type prospect.
TWYS :-)
As I said, I’d move Hanrahan for two of those… damn
Always
go with your gut reaction! That’s what should be noted here. It’s Adams anyway though apparently.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck
I’d ship Hanrahan for that in a second. Damnit.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
OK
Then we can trade him next year…
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FollowThePadresFollow The Padres
by BenBadler
Official: Adams to Texas for Wieland and Erlin.
Still a good haul imo.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Great
haul for the Padres.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
awesome haul
i donno if they would have moved those for Hanny too, but i woulda been listening. Contention is hurting the Bucs big here
CoryGigerCory Giger
Altoona Curve CF Starling Marte 3-3, 2 R today. Now batting .316. Good bounce back after slump.
#CageStarlingMarte!
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
Yes
Man. I’m telling you the dudes a stud.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
NOooooooo
just no..
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Meek.. although he’s on the DL obv.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If Cedeno is going to the DL...
…I’m ok with Infante. He’s been hot since the break and has OPS’d at .750+ the last three years. Better than Wood or Ciriaco.
Blogger formerly known as fugimaster24
SB Nation Pittsburgh, Daily Collegian Sports, BT Powerhouse, @fugimaster24
God Created the World Out Of Nothing, Paterno Built A National Superpower On Cow Fields...
looking at some of the prices teams have paid
we need to be shopping some guys, seriously. Put Maholm, Veras, Resop, Hanny out there and see what you can get. If you get a steal like the Pads got for Adams, gotto do it.
I just made a Lolz tweet to Buster Olney that I'm proud of
He tweeted:
As of 10 minutes ago, Yankees were not deep into anything. #trades
I tweeted back:
Except Jeter into Minka Kelly
Just
saw Wandy to Cleveland possibly in the works.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
update
saying talks have cooled… nothing is worth believing at this point, till it happens! Wondering who else the Indians are gonna give up? Kipnis, Chisenhall… who else? You familiar with their system?
That's
all I know. The tweet was a tweet from a Houston employee I think.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it
If it does he’ll have a pity party. Remember what he said about the FO after we traded him?
by Bradley James McEachern on Jul 31, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd
be estatic
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
ecstatic
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too...
If the Phils are shootin for Heath Bell, why not throw Hammer into the mix? Any other contenders shooting for closers?
This is a hell of a market to be a seller
My Pirate senses are tingling at the thought of what we could get for Hanny, Maholm, Karstens, etc.
Jimenez not 'official' yet
SUNDAY: An eye fracture suffered by McBride on Friday is holding up the trade, tweets Nick Camino of Newsradio WTAM 1100.
What the HELL
the one freaking time we score for a lead in this series, the phillies take it right back. karstens your IDIOT
Wrong thread
Also, does giving up a two run single to the Phillies really make you dumb?
Did you see GFJ
with the throw that accomplished nothing?
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
well yeah
and depends on what we have to give up, i guess, but Ludwick probably doesnt step much up— defense sure, probably, but i dont know how much thats worth
Yes, but
Ludwick has been ice cold since the break: .192/.241/.269 (.510 OPS). Jones is at least producing fairly well vs RHP.
He's
a type B. If he’s fairly cheap, worth it to me.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Would
he be that bad for that price?
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If this season is indicative of his talent level than yes that would be an awful price to pay for him.
#AllTheBuntsAreBad!
wonder what the price is for Ludwick
if its so high, why not expand the trade to include Bell?
we are in the market for a reliever
What!!!???
How in the world does this makes any sense? If Ludwick costs too much lets just add in a player the padres are reportedly waiting for an “astronomical” return from the yanks or phils for.
Please put down your keyboard!
You have lots of faith in Veras and Resop?
making up the difference by adding a reliever who can help us compete is a good idea
Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter for Uehera is astronomical?
Erlin and Weiland for Adams is astronomical?
Zeiglar for Allen and Norberto is astronomical?
To me, it doesn`t look like the price for a reliever is so high
I don't
even understand any of this. I guess the point is Relievers are getting great hauls. We should be selling Resop, Veras, and Hammer.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
To win the Central Division this year
we would need to add relievers by trading some of our (pitching) prospects
For marginal cost
Ludwick likely to upgrade right field for the next 2 months. How is that somthing not to like? How can anyone want to complete the season with Diaz in right?
Ludwick
184/229/289 in the past 30 days
Can’t hit righties (not that he can really hit lefties either)
During his career he is worse post all-star.
If you want defense call up G. Hernandez
I don't want defense
I don’t think the last 30 days is indicative of what Ludwick will do here and I think Diaz is a total zero offensively and defensively.
I don’t know where you’re getting the idea Ludwick would replace Diaz, since Diaz is not a starter. Ludwick would be starting and would replace Paul for now, then bump Jones out when Presley comes back, then bump Presley out when Tabata comes back. Or something like that. Either way, it has little to do with Diaz, so I don’t see why you’re comparing the two.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a ridiculous idea that most of Diaz's at-bats against lefties would go to Ludwick
and he would spell Paul some also until Presley comes back. That is dependent on Presley returning in 10 days or so. I think Paul is better in our lineup than Duaz and Ludwick better than both.
Brad Lincoln pulled after 3 innings.
Of course, the 11 hits and 6 runs might have had something to do with that.
Please get Upton....
…In the next 35 minutes…. Tabata, McCutchen and Upton…. Thats a sweet sounding OF
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
So glad we got Lee!
We just got everything we could out of Overbay!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's not...yet...
still between us and the Indians.
by far Overbay
is the MVP this season lol
And I hope we don’t pay to much for Ludwick
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Oh goodie, we can get two of the players I wanted least at the deadline.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
I hope we are negotiating how much of his contract we will pay, and not what decent prospects to give up. Anyone good for Ludwick is a bad deal
take the contract so we dont have to give up anyone good
for a guy with a .675 ops, that might get better because his home ops is .658 and he plays in petco. but still he is not worth anyone of value
I would have rather been sellers rather than buyers the way this deadline is going
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
Oh god not Sanchez for Ludwick please no
What, was Neal listening to the Fan on friday too, and inexplicably agree with them?
What the heck Mr. E
is this English class or something?? I’m not writing a damn research paper I’m talking baseball… Hold on and let me try and find it if it will make you feel better
Easy
Yinzers are just looking for NH to make a bad deal. NH will not let something like that happen.
i want nothing to do with Ludwick
Keep pushing for Upton…
No way I want Upton in that OF with Cutch
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Quads are a B! to heal…. As you think its ready, its not. I don’t see Tabata ready til late September
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with AP in left and Tabata in right
but neither are healthy right now and we need an outfielder…
by FusilliJerry88 on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part about Ludwick
Is now Pirate fans can misspell Derek Lee and Ryan Ludwig
Long live Nate McClouth
and
Andrew McCutcheon
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
o.k
I hope is was just a game thread… I have been doing so much surfing the past half hour I may have gotten screwed up. I certainly hope that was just a bad joke.
Why did we not resign Milledge?
I think he would have helped us a lot this year. All of the injuries and the Jones/Diaz platoon not working out well. I believe Milledge would have added at least another win.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
have you seen Overbay play 1st this year??? I would say he doesn’t play first either
by PiratesFanSince1980 on Jul 31, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Id take a 280 BA on this team!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He makes Lastings look like Joey Bats!
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fail?
Milledge could hit a homerun. More speed. Better defense. Maybe not better on the base paths but he wouldn’t have cost the team 4 million. Lastings hit to all side of the field also.
by Joey Mooney on Jul 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz can hit a homerun also, he just hasn’t. Do you also not remember how long it took Milledge last year? We were playing the exact same when game with him. He had 1 through June, as a full-time player. He had more speed and didn’t know how to use it at all. He was slightly better on D overall, with way more WTF moments. Milledge probably would have made about $1m in arbitration, $1m more than we are paying Diaz this year. And yes, fail, because you were for Milledge because he can hit .280 with no power, but against Diaz, who was just at .290 with no power.
Reports say it’s about who will eat more cash, Pittsburgh or Cleveland. So marginal prospect is the best they are going to do.
refresh me here, but is the mlb deadline like the nhl one, where will still hear some deals happen after the deadline has passed as they become approved and official?
Thats what she said! - Michael Gary Scott
Yeah, you might hear something like like 4:30.
by Charlie Wilmoth on Jul 31, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thoughts on Buccos giving Kubel 2 years 10 million this offseason?
Trade G.Jones and let Kubel split time at 1B/ OF with Presley/ Hague?
Regardless of whether or not he gets it, he still isn’t worth it. His WAR average per season is less than one.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He's definitely cresting as a hitter.
He looks so much better at the plate than he did the last few years. He’ll get more than 5 million per barring a August-September flameout.
by tobynotjason on Jul 31, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No minor leaguers pulled from games...
other than pitchers that got bombed…Lincoln, Pribanic, Ascanio
Well if he says it take it to the bank!
actually he has some good sources
Trading those 3 for Ludwick...
would be a fireable offense.
I'm hearing they threw in Pujols too
See, I can make stuff up too!
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Twitter: @shanecglass
Wow, a PTBNL
Great sources. Flagged.
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Twitter: @shanecglass
Probably Calvin Anderson for Ludwick or something like that. I’m confident we didn’t give up talent here.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 31, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jim Bowden
Reporting the deal is done via the Tweeter
The glare of the spotlight is harsh, and the pressure that success breeds immense. We revere our heroes, but expect much. And criticism can come as easily as praise.
Twitter: @shanecglass
I'm sure the exchange is probably for minor league talent
Just released though not as part of the trade.
Wehner is such a clown
Pedro hits a high fly ball and Wehner acts like he hit 600 ft. Idiot
you cannot actually be considering that we’re trading Jameson Tallion for Ryan fucking Ludwick…
by TheLizardKing on Jul 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Taillon, Allie, Heredia
or Mel Rojas, Kingham, Hafner
or Maggi, Grovatt
Hoping someone in the third group. Guessing one in the second.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah, it better not be. That would be an awful trade.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
but if the price was too much for the Indians, do you think Maggi or Grovatt would do it?
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
wouldn’t mind that.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do we need the Pads cash
Bucs have the money to take on Ludwick.
a bit
but don’t expect the world.
HR park factors for RH batters:
petco: 59
pnc: 73
Nutting is sending cash?
Nutting is CHEAP
signed
Ron Cook
Put it on a plane with Pedro Ciriaco. That will give him something to do.
by Brakeman8 on Jul 31, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's pretty fast -
he can prolly run it there.
Save Nutting some plane fare.
Free your ass and your mind will follow.
by cocktailsfor2 on Jul 31, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
What? Why is it anyone other than Paul?
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, Paul, Ciriaco, Leroux, there’s a bunch of people that should go before Crotta.
by thecheeseisblue on Jul 31, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Over Paul? Bad move.
Should the Pirates keep Neal Huntington?
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2011/5/16/2174135/poll-should-huntington-be-retained
Send
him here?
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 31, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
Keep in mind...
we need to make 2 moves on the 25 man roster tomorrow. If Cedeno remains active, Ciriaco will likely be one of the moves.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Bucs Dugout
Related FanShots on Bucs Dugout
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Baseball Nation Recent Stories
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
