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MLB WAR: 7.4.2011

The top five position players ranked by WAR according to FanGraphs;

Rank Name Team WAR wOBA Fld Bsr
1 Jose Bautista Tor 5.8 .483 -2.3 2.5
2 Jose Reyes NYM 5.3 .409 1.7 2.4
3 Andrew McCutchen Pit 4.7 .395 6.9 0.5
4 Curtis Granderson NYY 4.4 .403 0.8 2.8
4 Adrian Gonzalez Bos 4.4 .425 6.2 -2.8
4 Shane Victorino Phi 4.4 .399 7.7 2.4
4 Matt Kemp LAD 4.4 .439 -8.2 0.7

 

A few notes:

  • McCutchen's low Bsr score (Baserunning value) implies that he is a conservative runner when on base.
  • Shane Victorino has played a better CenterField than McCutchen in 2011!
  • Matt Kemp would likely have a higher WAR if the Dodgers would put him in RF.
  • Joey Bats is a more aggressive baserunner than Jose Reyes!

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I didn't realize

Victorino was having such a good season. His rate stats are better than Cutch’s, although he has 50 less AB’s. Seems like he’s been adding a little power and taking a few more walks the last couple years without affecting his speed or low K%.

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by BadMaafala on Jul 4, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Not sure why there is a discrepancy here.....

But according to BR, the top 6 position players in WAR are the following

1) Bautista 5.8
T2) Kemp 5.1
T2) McCutchen 5.1
4) Gonzalez 4.5
5) Braun 4.3
6) Reyes 4.2

A WAR of 8 or better means you are an MVP caliber player and Cutch is on pace for a WAR of approximately 10. By comparison, Pujols has had one season of 10+ WAR. Manny Ramirez’s highest WAR was 8.0. Frank Thomas’ career high in WAR was 7.6 and he’s a first ballot HOFer. I’m bringing up those three players as a very small sample size as to how amazingly brilliant Cutch has been so far this season.

In fact, since the exodus of Bonds from our organization, only two players have had a season with a WAR of over 5.0. Kendall did it once in 1998 (5.7) and Giles did it four straight seasons from 99-02, posting a high WAR of 6.7 in 1999. McCutchen has a 5.1 with 79 games still left. That’s how amazing a year he is having in 2011. His stats are not eyepopping, but this is the best pitchers year we’ve seen since 1989, so you have to take that into account. If you talk about raw production, he was neck-and-neck with Kemp as the NL’s best position player. If you talk about value and irreplaceability, he’s the clear cut NL MVP. Braun makes a compelling case too, but Braun could miss a month and the Brewers could still keep cranking along with Fielder, Hart, and Weeks. Take McCutchen out of the Pirate lineup and we’re battling Chicago for 5th place.

by slick720 on Jul 4, 2011 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Your notes aren't supported by your table...
McCutchen’s low Bsr score (Baserunning value) implies that he is a conservative runner when on base.

That score does not imply that he is conservative. It might be that he is conservative, it also might be that he’s too aggressive and thus gets thrown out too often while trying to take the extra base. I do think perhaps he has been too conservative, but you need more than that table for your implication.

Shane Victorino has played a better CenterField than McCutchen in 2011!

OK the table kind of supports this, but there are uncertainties around fielding statistics that make it so you can’t be this definitive with such a small discrepancy. A 0.8 run gap would indicate that it’s barely more likely than not that Victorino has been better than Cutch in 2011 (independent of who is better overall).

Matt Kemp would likely have a higher WAR if the Dodgers would put him in RF.

How do you get that conclusion from that table? His fielding would likely be better, but he’d receive less value from his position. The positional adjustments are set up to match roughly what is expected if a player were to move positions, so to make the conclusion that his WAR (not just his UZR) would improve by moving positions, you’d need some analysis/observations that his skill-set would particularly benefit from the change in position. Don’t get me wrong; it might, but that table doesn’t support that argument.

Joey Bats is a more aggressive baserunner than Jose Reyes!

Again that table alone says almost nothing about the aggressiveness of the baserunners; it is about their effectiveness. I would guess it’s actually the case that Reyes has been too aggressive and that has cost him some baserunning runs, but I don’t have any data or observations to support that (but neither does your table support your argument).

Don’t get me wrong; I love advanced baseball stats. It’s important though to be mindful both of what conclusions the stats support as well as what conclusions the stats do not support.

by mickeyg13 on Jul 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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